Better Know A Trader: Timothy Sykes

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Click Here It isn’t often that the world notices when a trader makes a million something dollars, today's BKAT entrant being the exception—most likely because he was 18 and doing it with his Bar Mitzvah money. Meet Timothy Sykes, Cilantro Fund Partners founder and today’s featured trader.

In Bonfire of the Vanities, Sherman McCoy attempts to explain to his four-year-old daughter what he does for a living. How would you explain to a four-year-old what you do?
Daddy and lots of other people like to play a game with tiny companies. These companies go up and down a lot and daddy has to predict which way the company will go. If daddy is right, he wins money from the other people. If he is wrong, other people take daddy's money.

How did you get your first job in finance?
My parents gave me permission to open an online brokerage account with $12,415 of my Bar Mitzvah gift money during my senior year of high school thinking I would lose it all and that it would be a great lesson about money. It turned into a great lesson for me as I turned it into a fully audited pretax sum of $1.65 million from 1999 to 2002. After that feat, friends and family wanted me to trade on their behalf so I created a hedge fund.

Describe your trading strategy.
I predominantly short small caps and micro caps although I do sometimes go long. There is so much volatility and surprisingly much liquidity in this market segment. I believe it is the most inefficient space in the US equity markets so there are plenty of opportunities to trade in and out of these securities' price swings.

Tim Sykes.jpgIf you were starting out in your career now, where would you want to work?
I'd start my own hedge fund all over again. The lessons I have learned over the past few years are invaluable and will serve me for the rest of my life. If I had worked at a large hedge fund, I might have made more money, but I would still be naive in a business sense like I was when I first started my fund.

What is your favorite career accomplishment/best trade ever?
Illinois Superconductor announced on a Friday that their revolutionary superconducting product would be featured that weekend on a major news channel; I think it was CNN or 60 Minutes. This was back in 2000 so the stock had already gone from $10ish to $17ish that week, but I figured even if the product was a dud, they would hype it up and make it look incredible on national TV. Back then people would "invest" in anything with hype so it would be good for a point or two on a Monday morning gap.

So, I put most of my net worth, 10,000 shares, long over the weekend at $17/share. I watched the program and sure enough everyone started talking that it was the next Microsoft. It just kept going up premarket...19..20...21 and I desperately wanted to sell by 8:30am at $24ish, but back then Suretrade didn't allow premarket trading so I was forced to wait for the market open. I put my order to sell right at the open and it still took about 10 minutes to execute because there were so many buy orders. I finally sold at $29ish and I just couldn't believe it. One day later it hit $39 before plummeting.

Who are your heroes or role models, fictional or real?
Bernard Baruch, George Soros, Jesse Livermore

What is the most important quality a trader should have?
The ability to live on money outside of their trading accounts.

What is the worst character fault for a trader?
The need for "action" and/or the need for attention/recognition.

Tell us about the lowest of low points, the time you thought should just give it all up and take a simpler, easier job?
I had lost $180,000 of my then $1.5 million fund in one day (although I was still only down $40,000 on the month) and because I was having a great month before that day, I just felt completely dejected.

What job would you have taken? What's your 'exit strategy'—how long until you retire or move on?
I can't even imagine my life without trading since there are just so many market inefficiencies out there waiting to be taken advantage of, but I could easily close my fund and just go back to trading for myself.

What is your motto?
Eat, drink, and be merry. When not involved in those three activities, be disciplined.

Whose teachings are more useful in your business—Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Jesus Christ or Marquis de Sade? (Feel free to nominate another choice.)
The lessons from failed gamblers, traders, and hedge funds, Jesse Livermore being the most useful for my style of trading. A lot of these people are incredibly smart, but a few variables ruined them. When I first started, I was right about 95% of the time and I bet big because I was very cocky. I've learned that I could have easily been ruined if a few variables shifted, but I was lucky. I've now become conservative and disciplined enough so that I don't put myself nor my fund in a position of ruin no matter how right I think I am.

(If you missed the last installment, featuring independent trader Mick Buckley, click here. And if you think you’d make a good subject, or want to nominate someone else, please email us at tips (at) dealbreaker (dot) com (subject line: “Better Know A Banker”).

Comments

Posted by Jay Jefferies, Nov 20, 2006 4:26PM

Have you seen this fool on Wall Street Warriors? Who couldn't make money during the tech bubble? What has he done lately? Besides what sort of hedge fund runs $1 million...isn't that called a personal account?

Posted by Jay Jefferies, Nov 20, 2006 4:26PM

Who couldn't make money during the tech bubble? What has he done lately? Besides what sort of hedge fund runs $1 million...isn't that called a personal account?

Posted by Jay, Nov 20, 2006 4:37PM

He has under $2 million and it is considered a hedge fund...isn't that called a personal account? Even if he somehow raised more is shorting microcaps viable if you are running $10 million. I think Mr. Sykes should start looking for a real job.

Posted by Kyle, Dec 04, 2006 7:31PM

Jay, What's your hedge fund's name and how much do you manage???

Posted by hugh jorgen, Dec 05, 2006 11:28AM

I liked the Warriors episode when his mommy comes over and does his laundry and brings him food. Geesh, this guy is a piece of work. Also the part where he and his buddies are sitting around eating dinner and spouting off about what bsd's they all are...I guess ignorance is bliss.

Posted by M Li, Dec 05, 2006 11:59AM

isn't this guy making a lot of money?
why does he get hated?

Posted by chu, Dec 07, 2006 5:17AM

we see why jay jefferies is so upset... he works for people and get told what do to....

Posted by Jay, Dec 07, 2006 11:15AM

Actually, I run a pad...nonetheless, it's obvious that you're the person we're talking about under the alias "Chu". Very clever. If not, you aspire to be him which is equally pathetic...

Posted by Jay, Dec 07, 2006 11:37AM

In all seriousness, all of my distaste for this character comes from that cheesy Wall St Warriors show...the article, however, makes him seem fine. I love to see younger people in the business doing well but this kid isn't (as far as the show depicts him) and makes the hedgie world look like a joke. In reality, he can't raise money and all of his limited pool of existing investors are pulling out because he's losing the little money that he runs. Yet I can't stop watching the show...it's like staring at a train wreck. Perhaps the series ends well, who knows...

Posted by Wrath of God, Dec 07, 2006 11:57AM

I hope his fund blows up. That will teach investors about 18 yr old "hedge fund" "managers." I don't think anyone is even allowed to be a portfolio manager at that age.

Posted by Mevey, Dec 27, 2006 2:45PM

Hey when does "Wall Street Warriors" air? What times and what HD channel is it on. I'd be interested in watching this show. I remember hearing about it earlier in the year, but never got a chance to watch it. If anyone has any information please let me know.

Posted by oscar, Jan 04, 2007 7:25PM

Are there any active young traders out there interested in sharing trading styles/methods/strategies, or just opinions? Shoot me an email.

Posted by oscar, Jan 04, 2007 7:26PM

My email address is: oscarsboxx@yahoo.com

Posted by D. Bag, Jan 04, 2007 7:31PM

Buy low. Sell high.

Posted by pbdotc, Jan 13, 2007 11:04AM

why the long face?

Posted by D. Cash, Jan 17, 2007 5:20PM

Forget about T Sykes for a second. I want to get in Sandra's pants...what a hottie

Posted by Anon, Jan 22, 2007 5:06PM

Mevey - Wall Street Warriors is on a HD-only channel called "INHD". It's a cable-company creation of Comcast/Cox/Time Warner and some other companies.
Check the schedule on inhd.com

Posted by John, Feb 19, 2007 5:48PM

What software does Tim use to chart the market?

Posted by dave, Feb 25, 2007 6:42PM

wall street warriors airs at 11.00 AM every Saturday and is repeatedly shown on Sunday at 1:00 PM

Posted by TimothySykes.com, Mar 16, 2007 12:48PM

Sykes has got a new website

http://www.timothysykes.com

Looks like total vanity, but his books section is full of good selections

Posted by Tim Woolrich, Apr 01, 2007 12:16PM

Wow.. it is funny watching this crybaby kick his fan and have his mom do his laundry, and especially funny to watch him beg for other people's money. But by far the best is when he has people pull out of his fund on national tv. Did anyone catch when the one black dude on the street says to him as he is walking by with his camera crew "you ain't no celebrity"? Classic. I did'nt have rich parents that do my laundry to give me start up money. Everything I have is self-made, and well earned. This chump needs to get a job bussing tables or something, and learn some humility. The market is tough, just like life, and the most successful people lose it all every once in a while, but what makes someone a real winner is how they can come back from a loss and be successful again. Once Tim's fund crashes... will he have the balls to pick himself back up? Or will his mom have to put down the iron to coddle her little baby?

Posted by John, Apr 17, 2007 10:56AM

Is it possible to wath that show on internet? pay TV or something?

thanks..

Posted by Greg, Apr 17, 2007 3:21PM


Note to John:

You can watch one episode at the MOJO website:

www.mojohd.com/video

Scroll down the list of shows to the right of the screen. The last one is Wall Street Warriors. It is episode three in the Fall '06 series. The entire Season 1 is slated to run again in May. You can also pre-order the Season 1 DVD (release date is 4/24...I think).


Note to other readers and commentors:

Tim is portrayed on the show as arrogant, immature, and dangerous. I don't trust reality tv or documentaries to portray any person as they truly are. The directors always have hidden presuppositions. Objectivity is a myth.

He has read and does recommend quality books, yet the vast spectrum presents highly contradicting viewpoints. Most of the books provide little information that would help Tim significantly. There is one book that is missing from the list that would, in my opinion greatly enrich Tim's trading: The Disciplined Trader by Mark Douglas.

Note to Tim:

Props for the gutsy decision to expose your life to possibly millions of viewers and most of your trading peers. That takes guts that I don't I have.

Posted by shockey1, Jun 02, 2007 7:54PM

i wish i could get in sandra's pants too, but now she's dating george soros! this series ain't no joke!

Posted by Adam, Jul 08, 2007 2:21PM

It looks like he uses Power E*Trade Pro

Posted by PUNISHMENT, Jul 10, 2007 9:38PM

A lot of haters out there.... this kid started from zero and made millions. That's what America is about.... sounds liek a lot of jealous crybabies out there who can't make money have a lot to say about someone who did. And for the assholes saying 1.65MM is not a lot of money, people out there are making $1 a day.... STAY HATING FAGGOTS... ALSO, WW Warriors turns on Tim and co... they are scum for what they did...

Posted by SSP, Jul 15, 2007 10:08PM

Tim is one of the most arrogant deceitful self-promoters out there...he has some nerve saying how bad this is to a trader, although his last 2 years show how terrible of an effect arrogance has on people's accounts. :)

He's now selling his book without mentioning not turning a compound profit in 4 years. How many people want to read a book by a guy that hasn't made money since 2004 on a compound basis? Or 2 years straight if you want to look at that?

Posted by YoungMoney, Jul 24, 2007 3:55PM

For those who follow Tim Sykes, we have a new interview up at http://www.youngmoney.com/radio.

Posted by market marker, Aug 08, 2007 7:25PM

From what I have seen so far, this guy only made money during the internet boom.

Anybody who threw money at the market back then made money.

From the show, it saids he was down 300k in a month and investors were taking their money out. The fund will be nothing soon.

Show us a track record of the last 4 years.

Posted by Kaplan Accounting, Aug 14, 2007 7:25AM

Do Not Let Tim NEAR your MONEY!!

Cilantro/Sykes Fund Audited Performance SUCKS BIG TIME (3/2003-6/2007):

Compounded Annual Return: 1.52% (underperformed money market rates, with much higher risk; better to buy CD's than lose with Tim)

Cilantro/Sykes Fund Sharpe Ratio (Annualized): -0.06
(may as well bet on coin flips; or do as Tim Sykes and sell out and go on TV/self-publish etc)

BEWARE: SYKES SUCKS(in many ways)!!

Posted by Kaplan Accounting, Aug 19, 2007 4:44PM

BEWARE: Do not trust Tim Sykes with managing your money!! He has lost his investors a lot of money throughout 2006 and 2007!!

July 2007 UPDATE Tim Sykes/Cilantro Fund Audited Performance:

July2007: -1.65%
YTD2007: -10.26%

Posted by Timmy Sucks, Aug 20, 2007 10:19PM

That idiot just went on a CNN debate and got OWNED.

He is losing money hand over fist in his "fund" (LOL), yet still has time to promote his sorry ass book and act like a moron on national t.v.

Posted by JT, Aug 22, 2007 8:46PM

people are soooooo jealous of Timmay, it's incredible! he did fine on CNN, haters get a life!

Posted by Sad Sykes Investor, Aug 23, 2007 9:34AM

An idea for Tim Sykes on how to get his "hedge fund" so it will be the envy of all:


BECOME PROFITABLE !!!!

(If the "Fund" gets profitable you won't to make money on stupid little books about all your trading mistakes!!)

Posted by Sad Sykes Investor, Aug 23, 2007 9:41AM

SYKES BECOME PROFITABLE !!!!
(or close your unsuccessful Cilantro Fund)

If Sykes "hedge fund" gets profitable, then he will not need to make money selling stupid little books about all his trading mistakes!!

He has LOST Big Money 2006-2007 while doing the stupid TV and book thing!!

Posted by Kaplan Accounting, Aug 26, 2007 10:06PM

Audited Cilantro/Sykes "hedge fund" performance:

Jan2006-Jul2007: -36.06%

2007 YTDJan-Jul: -10.26%
2006 Return: -25.83%

It is incredible, since Jan 2006 Tim Sykes has lost over one third of his poor investors money!!

Posted by Thomas Fields, Aug 28, 2007 12:09PM

Wow lol
I don't even know this Tim guy. Never watched Wall Street Warriors yet. Hope to check it out soon.

But I already lkike him if he's inspired so many losers who have no net worth to hate him so much lol

This kid could suck as much as people say and I think I'd rather have a drink with someone who at least laid it on the line and gave it a shot then some idiot who flames on an internet message board.

Posted by Bruce Freedman, Aug 28, 2007 12:30PM

Hey Thomas Fields (Sykes drone),

Why not invest $100K with Sykes/Cilantro "Hedge Fund" if you really like him so much? LOL

He has not had any new investor in years!! Lots of redemptions since investors losses continue and "Fund" is down -36% since Jan2006.

(Horrible Annual return of 1.5% since Mar2003 is less than you would get in a checking account, with much more risk!!)

Posted by Charles Browning, Aug 30, 2007 5:54PM

I have looked all of Bloomberg Professional service for this guy. If he doesnt have a Bloomberg, he is not a real Hedge fund manager. I couldnt even find his fund in their hedge fund database.

Posted by Sykes--No profit in 5 years, Aug 31, 2007 11:56PM

UPDATE--

Audited Cilantro/Sykes "hedge fund" performance:

2007 YTDJan-Jul: -10.26%

2006 Return: -25.83%

Jan2006-Jul2007: -36.06%

Down 36% over the last 19 months!!!!

Posted by Bob Cohen, Sep 03, 2007 11:56AM

"Lucky Idiot/Sykes has his Luck Run-Out"

I've read the advance copy of book. DO NOT BUY THAT SNAKE OIL CRAP unless you like seeing a hyper idiot self-destruct......

Nothing of value in this book for any serious professional....

His "Fund" is down over -36% since Jan2006.

Posted by Baron, Sep 04, 2007 3:41PM

ATTENTION: Sykes/Cilantro Fund Refund:

All current and former investors should contact Tim Sykes who has agreed to refund his investors losses.

Sykes said: "I'll definitely try to pay back my investors, the largest of whom is me!" (9/4/07)

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1591876#post1591876

Posted by johnny5555, Sep 11, 2007 11:54AM

Tim's haters are going to be in for a surprise once they read the book because he not only admits his mistakes, but details them too!!

Posted by TimsBook=GARBAGE!, Sep 11, 2007 12:30PM

BEWARE: Do NOT Buy Sykes Book!!
I read advance copy: TOTAL GARBAGE!!

Not worth $19! Not worth wasting time reading it....wish I could get a refund of my wasted time...

Book title should be: "Clueless Traders Luck Ends and Now Wants in Show-Biz"

(I'm not a Tim Hater, knew him at Tulane..he is OK but has nothing worthwhile to offer in this book)

Posted by Tim, Sep 14, 2007 8:25PM

Haters, u gotta do better than this, I admit all my mistakes in my book, once people realize this, u got nothing. Then what will u do?

Posted by Sean, Sep 15, 2007 10:33PM

Just got done watching "Alive Day" on HBO, about injured soldiers from Iraq. I was humbled by their stories and their sacrifice. Then I stumbled on this juvenile toolbag on "Mojo" (groan) and was struck by the contrast between the soldiers humility and selflessness and Tim's vapid self-absorption. I suppose we can't expect more out of a privileged and probably deeply insecure 26 year old, but why in the world is anyone listening to this guy? I'd love to see him debate Jack Bogle, David Swesen, or some other legend of the investment world who could easily dispatch Tim's argument that hedge funds are "better" than mutual funds. To think that some investor, who could pay 20 basis points for a perfectly good index fund, is going to hand over their money to Tim. Sad. We don't "hate" you, Tim. We hate what you stand for: vanity, narcissism, exhibitionism, self-importance, greed, investment foolishness, and stupidity.

Posted by Mike Fagen, Sep 16, 2007 10:47AM

Over the weekend i read Sykes mediocre book. Its an empty and uninspiring story about Tim Sykes, a self-absorbed irresponsible stock trader. This book is NOT a “classic” and story is NOT “Rocky-like”(as author Sykes claims).

Sykes put the term “stock operator” in title in order to confuse all future book searches for Jesse Livermore’s excellent story (Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, by Edwin Lefèvre (1923)). This cheesy trick might help book sales, but needless to say, Sykes has nothing in common with the great trader Livermore.

Sykes comes across like a hyper/immature/video player-type Trader, which worked for him for a few years; then the law of averages caught up with him. His “return to the mean” continues during the past two years; and his very poor investment strategies are DOWN -36% since Jan 2006. His continous bad performance throughout 2007 shows that he does not learn from his mistakes; and readers can only cringe while watching Sykes slow motion demise.

Posted by Donnie Shenten, Sep 16, 2007 2:45PM

Just got done with Tim's awesome book! I don't understand why he's got so many haters, but I guess it's jealousy. Sure, he's got attitude, but that's what makes his story so fun to read!

And, contrary to most people's opinion of him, he's very down to earth. His argument isn't that hedge funds are better, but that sometimes you should take extra risk. That's how he made 100x his original investment within a few years and also why he got burned lately. It's a gift and a curse and he explains it perfectly. Kinda makes sense, too, as most of my friends would rather risk losing their few thousand dollars in their accounts for a shot at making it big.

Posted by Fagen is a Liar, Sep 16, 2007 2:59PM

fagen, you def. did not read tim's book; your conclusions are all wrong. if u had read it, you'd see tim is down in 2007 for one reason and one reason alone. i won't give away the ending, but people need to know that these haters are full of shit!

very good book, tim, very well done

Posted by TruthSquad(TimsBookBAD!), Sep 16, 2007 4:20PM

re:Cygnus/Sykes Fuck-up:
Yeah I know, Sykes/Cilantro is being reported to SEC for that idiotic 250K "loan" to Cygnus/risky pink sheet company. Sykes will be personally refunding that money to his investors; so don't worry justice will prevail.

Sykes has no credibility; now new investors for years because we just can't trust that unstable maniac.

Posted by , Sep 16, 2007 8:24PM

Sykes put the term “stock operator” in title in order to confuse all future book searches for Jesse Livermore’s excellent story (Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, by Edwin Lefèvre (1923)). This cheesy trick might help book sales, but needless to say, Sykes has nothing in common with the great trader Livermore.

Posted by SykesBookNotWorth$20, Sep 17, 2007 5:17PM

I purchased Sykes book and read it over the weekend. It is a poorly written life story of a failed trader who has fallen on hard times. This book is basically like a blog of an average person who got lucky trading stocks (which it really should be - blog and nothing more).

Beware of all the phony glowing reviews for Sykes Book. Its the good ole boy network in high gear where authors/investment advisers use the buddy system to give fake good reviews to each other.

Book NOT worth $20!
Better bet is to buy book - Millionaire Traders by Kathy Lien. At least you will learn something. OR Curtis Faith's book.
(I like Tim, and hope he eventually finds a career through which he can succeed).

Posted by , Sep 20, 2007 3:55PM

I also like Tim Sykes as wacky entertainment, but he is getting a little more emotionally unstable, such as insulting any reader of the book who is unimpressed, and demanding that Amazon delete any bad book reviews...kind of weird...I think Tim is trying to milk his "TV fame" the best he can.

Book describes the infamous 250K "loan" from his hedge fund to nearly bankrupt Cygnus E-Transactions (CYGT.PK) and his additional purchase of shares which was amazingly ignorant and possibly illegal! Normal people do not have such bad judgement, so Tims "advice" rings hollow!

After losing over one third of their money, I feel sorry for Sykes poor investors.... I guess Tim is only good for more wacky entertainment as our favorite attention whore!!

Posted by Josh Brown, Sep 20, 2007 6:54PM

I saw Sykes give an interview sucking on a Jamba Juice to illustrate how he loves the smoothies, hates the stock but wouldn't short it either. "if it breaks 12 (40% away) I'll love it" What an idiot. This is the ultimate case of right place, right time. Stop sucking straws and make someone money, your performance is a joke and so are you. The William Hung of the Hedge Fund community. Go away and stop giving interviews about stocks where you know nothing and then don't even have an opinion. Is the reporter your girlfriendor did you guys just bump into each other there and turn on the camera for fun? Putz.

Posted by Mike O., Sep 21, 2007 2:16PM

No Tim Sykes, you are not a bad guy at all. But you do not realize that your flash in the pan story has a limited shelf life. Trader Monthly is not the industry' most respected rag, but it is reflective of the industry in many ways and you made them look bad after including you in their list last year with this year's antics.

Let me be honest with you because I do not hate you, want to call you nasty names like others here or begrudge you any success. But you are being displayed as a trader, hedge fund manager et al and your actions are more media whore-ish and childish, sort of Cramer for the even less-informed. Your are giving a stereotype, though unintentionally to the position that many resent because this is serious.

Losing money is not a game and acting like, oh I made mistakes here learn from them is not accurate. Beginners are not going to do the same thing you did on the whole and non-beginners already know the pitfalls of small-cap investing. So you are overlooking the obvious, you are trying to maximize the current popularity to make money on the book and MOVE into another career.

There is nothing wrong with that since trading failed but we all see it and your inability to admit you are looking to change into media seems naive. You want to publish books, have your own TV show and become something that no longer involves you trading OPM. When you embrace that, you will do fine.

Posted by MoreSykesLies(AmazonQuote), Sep 22, 2007 9:36AM

More Sykes Lies:"Yes, my hedge fund is off its highs, .....I am glad to say that the bleeding has recently stopped."

Wrong!: Sykes/Cilantro continues to lose investors money throughout summer 2007; DOWN again during Aug2007 and Jul2007; Down over-37% since Jan2006.

Posted by Me, Sep 22, 2007 9:10PM

Everytime I read about timothy boasting about how much money he made in the internet bubble it goes higher and higher.

Any tool could have bought stock in 99 and watched it double. It just depended on how aggressive or naive in the stock market you were to turn that into fools gold.

He is the equivalent of someone buying a home in Manhattan in 2000 and watching it double in appreciation over the next few years. Then thinking they were a real estate genious for timing the market perfectly.

The errogance and immaturity radiating from him will definitely catch up in the end.

He was nothing more then lucky to have come across that wealth.

Posted by Y'shua, Sep 22, 2007 9:49PM

Loser Sykes Luck Runs Out and Self Publishes Book To Make Some Money Off Of Newbies and Suckers.....

Maybe Timothy Sykes will find some type of work which will allow him to succeed; but trading and self-publishing books will not allow him to actually contribute to society, and Sykes admits that he continues to lose OPM.

After reading Sykes book, story can be summarised in a nutshell:

1) Timmy made money trading the NASDAQ bubble(along with everyone else), and he did not demonstrate good money management. Basically, "lucky monkey" effect....

2) Timmy has not made money trading in the last 5 years because his luck ran out, and the bad risk management.

3) Timmy is trying to make money off his '99-'02 track record, while lying about his trading failures over the last 5 years.

4) Timmy has averaged less than 1% annual return with his Sykes/Cilantro "hedge fund" since 2003. So, investors would have been better with interest bearing checking account.

5) Timmy lies that "..my Fund bleeding has stopped...", but actually he lost his investors very large amounts of money throughout 2006-07, including continuous losses every month of Summer 2007. Sykes Fund "Bleeding" has not stopped, but rather continues as Sykes has lost over a third of his investors money since Jan 2006.

I just saved you the $20 book fee. Book is not worth reading even if you get it for free....

Posted by Me, Sep 23, 2007 10:16AM

How much has "TIMMAY" really lost investors? Everywhere I go he claims his cilantro fund has been on the plus side with gains with the exception of this year? None of these comments seem credible. Curious what the truth is.

Posted by KaplanAccounting, Sep 23, 2007 10:34AM

Re: Timmay Fund returns:
Since Jan2006; Sykes/Cilantro Fund is down over -37%. DOWN throughout Summer 2007, as poor performance continues.

Audited Annual Return for the entire history of Fund is less than 1%/yr (Mar2003-Aug2007).

Sykes/Cilantro has had no new investors for years, because people get better returns with less risk in checking accounts.

Posted by Tim, Sep 23, 2007 1:05PM

Even with my recent losses, my fund is still ranked the#4 short bias fund in the industry. Not to mention it was my one long that ultimately did me in.

No matter We need to stop judging my book based on my returns, and instead focus on its value to teach lessons. Traders who never experience losses make for horrible teachers, along that line of thinking, I will make a very good teacher.

Posted by MoreSykesLies(AmazonQuote), Sep 23, 2007 1:23PM

SYKES STOP LYING at AMAZON:

More Sykes Lies:"Yes, my hedge fund is off its highs, .....I am glad to say that the bleeding has recently stopped."

Wrong!: Sykes/Cilantro continues to lose investors money throughout summer 2007; DOWN again during Aug2007 and DOWN again Jul2007;

Down over-37% since Jan2006 is much worse than "...my fund is off its highs..."

Posted by Jackoff, Sep 23, 2007 1:31PM

Do you really think Tim is dumb enough to lie on his Amazon blog? Focus on the key word 'recently' you fucken prick. Just logged onto Hedgefund.net and I see he's only down 2% in the past 3 months. That's not that bad so suck on that!

Posted by Sykes=Jackoff(AmazonLie), Sep 23, 2007 1:42PM

Yes, Sykes is dumb enough to lie at Amazon Blog, on TV and on multiple other blog sites. Media sluts like Sykes will say/do anything for money:

And Sykes/Jackoff your Fund continues to lose money, despite lies to the contrary!!

Please tell the truth about your continued losses throughout Summer2007!!

Posted by Sykes=Jackoff, Sep 23, 2007 3:47PM

Tim, Again remember: No More Lies about Fund performance; it will help your "story" if you admit the continuous Aug/Jul2007 losses!!.. OK..Later..

The Coke lie is pretty funny Tim, so you can repeat that all you want..OK!..I'll post below:

STRANGE SYKES LIE:
"I could care less about the Wall St. community, ever since I told a few people I don't do coke, I've been on the outside anyway."

Posted by MoreSykesLies, Sep 25, 2007 8:14AM

...hahaha...
Only one more Sykes book left; so buy it soon:

"Only 1 left in stock--order soon "

Posted by , Sep 27, 2007 2:24PM

Tim,
It is not your LOSING MONEY but it your LOSING HEART that makes me wonder if you ARE A MAN AT ALL...

Almost every good/great trader had big losses and came back. BUT YOU SIR simply RAN away and are TRYING to FIND another profession..
that's SIGN OF A LOSER..

If your story had shown even a slight iota of grit in you it might have been worth read.

But You are just another loser..Many people make a fortune in markets.
and as they say Markets GIVE and take back with same ferocity...

I just hope you have a better luck as a writer (which btw doesn't look like happening as of now)

Posted by AJ, Sep 27, 2007 4:06PM

RE: Sykes Closing Cilantro Fund

Will Tim ever find anything he is good at?? Bad writer/Worse trader!!

Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 12:24PM

Mr Sykes:
I have to make a few points here Timmy from someone with experience, not more than most here but enough to make my comments:

1. The SEC does not shackle or censor the industry. Mary and John Smith, the average retail investor out there does not have the discretionary dollars or financial know how to invest in hedge funds. The main reason for many rules and restrictions in the laws is that due to the risky and non-public nature of hedge funds, the average investor should be prevented from putting their meager investment dollars in there just to see it get blown up. The rich are either very sophisticated or have the money to afford fancy financial managers to due the due diligence for them if they wish to put money into hedge funds. This is not the class the SEC needs to protect in their point of view.

So to say people have been kept out of the knowledge loop by the SEC is naive of the actual laws out there and their original intents. You are not shackled, the rules are clear in how and who you can talk too. Ms. Mary making $40k a year teaching English does not need to be thrown into the hedge fund industry.

2. Penny stocks are the riskiest investments out there. Anyone with true knowlege of ivnesting knows this already and you are not adding anything new. I think you admit not knowing anything about this sector when you got in. So in reality you needed to educate yourself. The average American might find it anecdotal to learn about penny stocks but they should not even touch them. A book is not needed to tell them this fact of life because most of them knew nothing about penny stocks before hand anyway. The worst thing in the world you can do is pretend to teach people how to actually make money in penny stocks and encourage them to go into this field. That is financially irresponsible.

3. You are closing your fund for one reason only, to stop trading (it was mostly your money anyway) and focus on the new career you have started. The SEC is not handcuffing you in any way since I see advisors all day on CNBC talking their book with full disclosure. People here truly do not hate you they are insulted by the double talk as though we are the naive group of people you are selling the book to.

4. You are not offering any amazing expose on the hedge fund industry. The rules and restrictions on hedge funds and advertising is easily found on Google. They all come from the SEC laws on the books since the 1930s. You are more focsued on the manipulation that occurs in the penny stock sector and again, the informed already know that a $0.40 stock with 5000 shares traded is easily manipulated.

My point is that you traded from your living room and started a hedge fund with your own money and a few investors. You actually do not have true insight into the hedge fund world because you were never in it. Jim Cramer was in the hedge fund world, Long-term Capital Management, the guys on Wall Street with $1 billion in assets are swimming head deep in the real world of raising capital, managing assets, leverage and returns. So it is a little misleading. I think you would have done better marketing talking about the penny stock markets and focusing on that. Your complaints on the SEC and the hedge fund industry is like a college Division 2 ball player claiming to critique the Major Leagues, from the outside.

So stop for a second and realize that behind these names are people with long industry experience and trading backgrounds who have a better sense of what the industry is and can see that you are waving your hands to get the attention but lack the substance. And no I do not need to read the book because you have already told me all I need to see. Trading your own account pretty much and in penny stocks and with assets of less than $2 million is not the hedge fund industry. I know many retail acconts which are much bigger and more active in alternative investments but so do a lot of people here.

Your marketing approach is not for the industry it is for those ignorant of the industry who dream of trading so they live through your story but for myself, I live this everyday and understand the SEC laws and industry regulations.

So I say this without trashing since I support you in your book as writing a book is a wonderful experience. What I take issue is the claims that you and the book and what you are offering are something they are not. Fine for the uninformed public since they do not know any better but for most of us familair with penny stocks, hedge funds and the SEC, it is more of the same and what Google can reveal. If you wish I can put a detailed google collection of info right here.

Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 11:40PM

Well Tim..you have hit rock bottom. I kinda figured you were gonna bail on your trading career...and you are. Your fund is closing and you have now become some sort of wanna-be media whore. I guess you were just a flash in the pan. I find it hilarious that a guy who failed as a "hedge fund manager" writes a book about hedge funds. Seems like your book isn't selling so well....oh wait...it hasn't been "officially released yet"....I guess being on amazon for a few weeks doesnt count.

You just dont get it do ya? You were embarassed by the Ny Post....embarassed by trader monthly...embarassed on CNN....got humbled by Cavuto......dude...you are like Notre Dame's football team this year....wherever you go it's a disaster. Throw in the towel now man...before it gets any worse for you.


How sad are you that you now spend all day on here starting threads about a positive review? Don't you realize the more you whine and cry about bad reviews, the more you look like a fool?

I predicted you would bail on trading and you did....in 6 mos you won't be on here/mentioned and nobody in the trading world will miss you.

Trader Monthly was right....you are the Ryan Leaf of Wall St. In case you are not familiar, LEaf was the #1 pick in the NFL out of college a few yrs ago.....he is now coaching high school football in some podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

Posted by SykesBookSucks!!, Sep 30, 2007 12:11PM


Timothy Sykes, our resident idiot and attention slut, shares his “fooled by randomness” experiences in a shitty book which is not worth $20….
- SykesBook=toiletpaper

Posted by Jew2, Oct 03, 2007 6:07PM

Timmayyy is now writing for RealMoney.com....fuck you to all the people that don't like him, he's a true inspiration!

Posted by TimOK/butSellsSnakeOil, Oct 05, 2007 9:45AM

We like Tim Sykes...

..problem is NOBODY trusts him to manage money anymore because he is a "fuck-up"!

...even his family will not let him manage their money, so why should he be SPAMMING us with his shitty book/dvd......

Posted by , Oct 07, 2007 12:47PM

Quote from TimothySykes:

Many good points made, but let me try to refute them.

1. If you'd read the book, you'd see my trading success continued long past the bubble and my short selling strategy has continued to work very well in a now 5-year old bull market.
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Your 5 year return shows otherwise. You made ur bulk between 1999-2002, times that we will NEVER see again. You should be commended on keeping most of the money and being ambitious enough to trade while in college. I wish I did the same, but then, most of us did not get $12,000 at the age of 16, we had part time jobs to help pay for our own expenses.
Enough with your stats, they are all over ET. The fact is that you have been unable to make money for the last 5 years, and even when you returns are looked at closely, you have no apparent edge outside 1999-2002.
If your strategy worked, you would still be trading your fund.

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2. If you learned more about my DVD, you'd see I say stay away from OTCBB and Pink Sheets--my main focus is Nasdaq smallcap, very liquid, very volatile, very executable. Recent plays include CHNR, JRJC, CPSL, ZVUE, BHIP, SCON on and on
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First of all, I would NEVER buy your DVD or even listen to it. It's snake oil. Plain and simple, if your strategies were so good, you would not be selling it. Make all the excuses you want about your lack of discipline, the fact is that if your strategies still worked, you would invest in them, even hire a REAL trader to execute, if needed. Your fund would still be open.
Second, most penny stocks are OTCBB and Pink Sheets. So only trading Nasdaq small cap sub $5 stocks is not exactly a Penny Stock strategy. AMEX actually has better plays in that category. Once again, you show your lack of knowledge.


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3. My critique of the hedge fund industry is from a startup's point of view. All the biggest funds have little to no idea about what's going on down here and nobody else is willing to risk their futures to tell it like it is. All I know is that industry regulations have hurt the little guy and thats infuriating.
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Oh cry me a river. Maybe the SEC should grant hedge fund status to everyone.
As I have said, you have ZERO idea about the industry. If you only realized how much work, staffing, planning & legal/accounting expenses goes into setting up a REAL hedge fund. And that's prior to even putting on the first trade. Maybe it's you who does not have an idea about the other side.

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4. It's true, I'm all about entertainment because I do think business and finance is fun. We are losing our youth to the wrong element--it's time somebody tried to bring them back to what really matters.
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There already is a Jim Cramer. I keep trying to give you a clue, THERE IS NOTHING NEW & EXTRAORDINARY IN YOUR GAME. NOTHING!!!
Have you ever watched CNBC? So what the hell are you talking about "We are losing our youth". CNBC is all bells and whistles, with bright lights, cheerleaders, fun fun fun. It's been a steady trend for years toward making finance & business FUN.

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Please let's continue this dialogue, it's not often that I have a chance to have a meaningful debate on here.
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Timmay, most of the debate is with yourself. Your target audience are morons who are looking for a quick buck & unwilling to learn, put in the time and accept the reality of trading. Everyone else sees through your charade. While you need to keep up appearances, it is not logical for you to do that on ET. You simply do not have the experience or the knowledge to play this Snake Oil game with guys who have seen it before. You're getting picked apart and have been picked apart, caught lying & contradicting yourself, then trying to make lame excuses. And then you conitinue to antagonize by posting all these reviews in your desperate attempt to validate your book & yourself.

Posted by , Oct 07, 2007 1:52PM

Timmay if you had any real belief in your trading strategies then:

A) Your hedge fund would still be open

B) You would be trading your strategies

C) In the case where you honestly did not trust your own discipline, you would hire a REAL trader to properly execute the strategies.

It's simple, put your money where your mouth is.

Posted by Mike, Oct 24, 2007 10:01AM

How lame is this whole new BullShip publishing name. Sounds a bit immature to call the title of your book company a word that if you replace 1 letter it means something else. So damn cleaver, um not really though. Reminds me of when i was 12 i might say this word when holding my tongue and think it was hilarious.

Posted by , Oct 27, 2007 3:44PM

What a pathetic joke Sykes has become from failed hedge fund manager to “SPAM aliases” to sell his snake oil crap…

…I agree with your family Tim, those people in your family who know you best do not trust you with their money, and neither should anybody else…

Posted by , Nov 02, 2007 6:27AM

this guy is hilarious. a complete joke. you have to be able to give him a little credit for making a buck going on shows and telling everyone his nonsense strategies. if you are smart, look at how he has marketed himself, absolutely not at his financial acumen because he flipped some coins and won. good for him. a monkey would make money in the boom and out of the thousands of losers, of course there is a few winners ... and marketers.

ciao-

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