Renaissance founder James Simons, the 69 year old former MIT and Harvard Math professor, likes to keep things in the academy of higher learning, and higher returns. This noble search for veritas has produced a few years of $1bn+ take home pay, which is some tenure track. Does Simons even dip into the Wall Street talent pool? No, according to his keynote address at the International Association of Financial Engineers annual conference in New York:
We hire physicists, mathematicians, astronomers and computer scientists and they typically know nothing about finance. We haven't hired out of Wall Street at all.
Is this proof that the machines, or at least the cyborg quants (that kid who never talked in your freshman dorm, who you only saw in the hall bathroom, and not to shower) have won? Arguably the most successful hedge fund in the world completely ignores Wall Street (and the US, as most new hiring is done from the international talent pool), and even gets away with asking people to drop their drawers when investing.
Renaissance has varying fee structures but is most known for the 5 and 44 gouging in the $6bn Medallion Fund, which we still think counts as gouging, just on principle, despite the post fee 33% annual returns in the 15 years prior to 2004 (at least according to marketing materials - what happened in 2005 anyway?). We don't begrudge it, we know the returns are still nuts, and if people will pay it, Simons is more than entitled to jack those fees up, but 5 and 44 sets that disturbing precedent for the cocky hedge fund manager who's had a couple of good years (in this market - real tough...) and starts charging an insane amount (then takes a bath in the next market correction). Hedge fund fees are going up across the Street (along with the minimum liquid net worth requirement from $1mm to $2.5mm), making hedge funds even more inaccessible to the mid-level rich, opposed to the very rich.
The 2005 vintage RIEF fund, which consists of 3,000-4,000 mostly long positions on any given day has lower fees, and a reported capacity of $100bn (imagine $5bn a year just in management fees, or at least $2bn+).
Renaissance hedge fund: Only scientists need apply [Reuters]






Posted by anonymous , May 24, 2007 10:16AM
This is old news. It was always public knowledge that Rentech only has one or two people from Wall Street. But, really, Simons and Rentech can go fuck themselves. They won't even hire scientists who have been to Wall Street, because supposedly the scientists have somehow become "tainted." It's racism.
Posted by paulson , May 24, 2007 10:26AM
Impressive returns, but how much can they bench press?
Posted by Oil Gas Futures , May 24, 2007 10:41AM
hmmm interesting, sounds like a remake of something else i saw a couple years back, oh yeah by the way our account minimum is only $100k -Patrick Kerr Oil Gas Futures
Posted by dirtstar , May 24, 2007 10:42AM
"Is this proof that the machines, or at least the cyborg quants (that kid who never talked in your freshman dorm, who you only saw in the hall bathroom, and not to shower) have won?"
umm wall street is filled with these losers...all of sudden a little coin in your pocket makes you the cool guy in college? yeah right.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 11:03AM
excuse me keith but its hard in any market remember you are HEDGED, go dump on the long only managers for showing numbers that track the market.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 11:53AM
You can harp on the 5 & 44 all you want, but the fact is that Medallion is now virtually all employee money. And employees never got hit with that fee structure.
There are also plenty of employees who worked on the street. None of them are very important though.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 12:13PM
anon: 11:53. If medallion is nearly/all employee money and they aren't charged fees, how does Uncle Jim make all his money?
The answer is, employees are charged 5&44...that's how it works. I know other funds don't work this way w/ employee money but this one is different.
Posted by don pepe , May 24, 2007 12:16PM
Whatever...
Rentech, shmentech.. good for Simons but the funny thing is quant funds, espeically one's like Rentech are infamous for stacking bad distribution bets/positions until one day...."Oops, the model had it at a 17 sigma move, crazy, should have never happened".
Kilroy.
Hubris- nothing fails quite like it.
Don Pepe
Posted by , May 24, 2007 12:16PM
anonymous 10:16,
Did you get passed over on an interview or something? why the hostility?
Posted by hf , May 24, 2007 12:43PM
Why pay 5 & 44? There's no reason to contribute to the cockiness and arrogance of these egghead jackasses. Am aware of a hf taking 2 & 20 with annual returns of approx. 32% over last 6 years, but it's managers are low-key and shun the limelight unlike rock star Simons.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 1:23PM
Anon 12:13
You are wrong. I didn't say employees pay no fees. I said they don't pay 5 & 44.
Uncle Jim makes most of his money by having his money invested in the fund. That comp figure that Alpha guesstimated isn't just his rip from the performance fees.
Posted by anonymous , May 24, 2007 1:40PM
The big question is, what the hell is Rentec DOING out there? How does the Medalion work? Does anyone have ANY idea?
Posted by anon 12:13 , May 24, 2007 2:32PM
Employees pay 5&44. Medallion is an employees only fund. That's just the way it is.
Uncle Jim owns 1/2 the assets of the fund and is the General Partner (thus receiving all the fees).
However, as you'd assume by his choice in fund names, JS does not wear a medallion. At least not when I've seen him.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 2:49PM
anon 12:13
my account statement says otherwise
Posted by skeptic , May 24, 2007 2:53PM
Why would Simons make himself the GP (and not the fund management company)? Seems awful risky.
Posted by , May 24, 2007 2:56PM
anon 12:13
i've seen account statements that show you do not know what you are talking about.
also, by simply doing the math implied by your analysis of Jim's comp, he'd have taken home a lot more than 1.2 large.
you are badly misinformed.