Breaking: Billionaires Love What They Do

stacks of money.jpg The latest round of robber barons are engaged in full-throttle PR campaigns to convince the public that "they love what they do." It's one of the most common statements thrown around in the increasingly cushy human-interest pieces we have to digest on these guys. Statements like "I've never worked a day in my life," "I'm so passionate about doing deals," and "It's just a strap-on," flow incessantly from these modern day martyrs. Did anyone read the (it seemed longer than) 10,000 word piece on Zuckerman in the New Yorker? I was convinced Western Civ hinged on this guy's recycled jokes after a while.

Wall Street Journal's Wealth Report probes the billionaire mantra with a bit of skepticism, culminating in the asshatdom of Ken Griffin. From the Wealth Report:

Ken Griffin, the “passionate” hedge fund manager makes a telling remark in the Times article. When he’s asked about raising taxes on the rich, Mr. Griffin says that if his taxes are raised, he would lose some of his incentive and ” I would not be working this hard” So what is really motivating today’s rich? The passion or the money?

We know you can never completely dissociate a job from what it gets you in society, and we're sure there are a lot of people who genuinely like finance. Judging the extent of how "passionate" a financial professional is, however, is a valid question. No one makes as much $$, so no other field is as conspicuously tied to its positive socioeconomic effects as finance.

We used to get into the debate in the bullpen over whether we'd be doing something other than finance if it paid as well, or was treated like banking during the critical end of college crossroads (you remember, that point at which, at least in some colleges, they make it seem like if you don't get a finance job, you've lost at life and should consider prompt alternatives to existing).

Is a "passion for corporate finance" as self-delusional of a notion as the harshest cynic would suggest, or are most finance types actually passionate about what they do? If you could be a teacher and make as much as an investment banker, would you be a teacher? Likewise if a banker made a teacher's salary, would you still be a banker?

Our own theory is that the self-proclaimed passion for finance is (mostly) derivative. How many college seniors are elbowing each other trying to study markets in academia opposed to going to that Goldman informational presentation? The "passion" springs from a competitive desire to "win," judged by society's current scorecard, which is $$$. People are competitive, everyone has a different utility curve, winning has its benefits, and the risk/reward profile works out for some such that a couple years (or 20) of agony are more than worth it.

Here is DealBreaker's effort to engage in some Rawlsian exercise in career choice: what career would you choose under a veil of ignorance as to that career's effects on your status and bank account? Let's hear those Kindergarten pipe dreams, people, and answer the following poll:


Getting Rich By Doing What You Love
[Wealth Report]

Comments

Posted by AJ, Jul 24, 2007 4:13PM

Reminds me of a quote from a book (via Instapundit) that reminds me why I'm in PE:
"After graduating Yale in 2003 with a double major in film studies and gender studies, Tara moved to San Francisco to pursue queer documentary filmmaking. She settled in the Castro district, the historic epicenter of American gay culture, and quickly discovered plenty of enticing projects. "There were lots of opportunities to do film and to help people with their films, but no one had any money to pay me so I did a lot of volunteering and part-time work," she told me in a Castro coffee shop."

Posted by jt, Jul 24, 2007 4:19PM

I think i'd still be in finance but perhaps more inclined to stick with research in a more academic sense of the word (aka being a career student and getting to know all of the student bodies)

Posted by , Jul 24, 2007 4:23PM

Economist
Park Ranger
Abortion doctor in the upper midwest.

Posted by PIKme, Jul 24, 2007 4:24PM

I'd still do it, I would just do 60-70 hours a week...versus double that

Posted by , Jul 24, 2007 4:32PM

nice Rawlsian reference

Posted by BSD, Jul 24, 2007 4:34PM

Keith,

There's a HUGE difference between banking which any sane, intellectual, person can convince themselves to do only for the money or for the chance to move up to a better job in a year or two and many other areas of finance (but primarily trading and investment management).
When I was in banking we'd play the same game as you guys - "Would you do X if it paid the same as IB?" Regardless of what X was the answer was overwhelmingly "Yes".
Now that I'm a hedgehog I'd still be doing my job even if it only paid $100K total comp. Still, Griffin is right - if the money wasn't there it would take some edge off and you would likely take it a little easier at work.
The real question then in my mind is would you enjoy it more if huge sums of your bonus weren't tied to every basis point? I'd have to say no, personally, since that adrenaline is precisely what makes every day a joyride - especially days like today when the VIX is pushing 20.

Posted by , Jul 24, 2007 4:42PM

for the same pay, i'd be a carver of all things driftwood while i sit on the beach


and BSD:
the vix at 20 isnt scary

Posted by inIT4the$, Jul 24, 2007 4:48PM

Has there been any successful banker move on to become a successful trader? Two different personality types...and please remember a rising tide lifts all boats, you're only good if you're good in a down market.

Posted by jt, Jul 24, 2007 4:57PM

I don't buy the whole traders vs. bankers being a black & white comparison. Perhaps in day-to-day work the roles are very different but both share whats important - an unwaivering desire to win - more than they differ over instinct vs. gut instinct or whatever else.

Besides how many bankers didn't start out their lives in finance trading in highschool/college/currently?

Posted by jt, Jul 24, 2007 5:01PM

er that should have been "...careful analysis vs. gut instinct..."

Posted by Auto, Jul 24, 2007 5:13PM

I bet the best people in finance, whether traders or bankers, do it because they like it. And if they didn't like it as much, their pay would be much lower. It's hard to be good in finance and not sooner or later be well-paid (I know, I know -- there are all the usual caveats like rising markets, etc., etc.)

The worst people in finance wash out and are soon gone.

But the marginal finance person is probably the one who is in it for the money and the second the dollars don't materialize, is off doing something else.

Posted by RandomGirl, Jul 24, 2007 5:36PM

Love and sex and companionship, I philosophized, are the basins where all the world's cash flows drain to anyway.
- Walter Kirn

I'd say these men do it for the girls that are secretly thrilled they are constantly at the office. It's so easy to marry a rich man you don't really like, because he's always gone anyway.

Posted by BSD, Jul 24, 2007 5:53PM

4:34,
Agree that 20 isn't scary in the least, but still a healthy dose of volatility. It's been a while since we've had real rollercoaster days.

Posted by BSD, Jul 24, 2007 5:56PM

RandomGirl,

Keep dreaming sweetie. Especially if you think that rich man you're married to is at the office when he says he's working late.

Posted by s&t, Jul 24, 2007 6:13PM

I must admit, my gut response to the survey question is absolutely, but in reality? I think most other "fun" jobs are actually quite boring. If I weren't sitting on a trading floor, I really think I would be crawling out of my skin with boredom. Banking is a different ballgame (a masochistic one) and I think no one in their right mind should do it...even for the money...but I guess that's because I make the same (if not more) AND I have a life.

Posted by misunderstood, Jul 25, 2007 6:39PM

The goal of teaching is to educate, the goal of finance is to make money - so you're analogy is horrible. Would teachers rather be bankers if they're students gained 1/15th the knowledge that they normally do from their teachers? Of course - who wants to produce anything at such an extreme haircut. Teachers teach to educate, not earn money. Bankers bank because they want to earn money, not teach kids. Good bankers who enjoy what they do make more money, just like good teachers who enjoy what they do have a greater impact on their students. The same goes for any other profession - if you enjoy doing it and do it well, then you reap the rewards associated with that profession (be it helping others, education, flipping a lot of burgers, etc.)

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