The Rumor Bubble
Blow-ups, Meltdowns, Emergency Announcements, Warnings: Wall Street Rumor Drunk From Sipping On The Product of The Grapevine

marketrumors.jpgToday might not only be one of the most violently volatile days on the market. It’s also one of the most rumor swept. We’re hearing more rumors with more names attached than anyone could possibly check or even keep up with. We threw some of the most talked about hedge fund names at you earlier, and so far a few people in the know have helped us cross some names off our list. But there are more names out there.

For now we’re keeping these additional names off DealBreaker’s screen. Why? Simply because the rumors are flying too wildly and it is becoming too hard to track down whether it’s just people lashing out at their enemies, panic or people who want to make money by floating rumors that benefit their positions.

But it’s safe to say that the grapevine is spilling more rumor-wine than it has since we launched this site in the Spring of 2006. More, even, than anytime since the internet stocks popped.

Does this rumor bubble indicate that there is a panic, which many will take as a contrarian signal to buy? Are panicked posts from celebrity and media gossip sites like Gawker the inverse equivalent of the shoe shine boy asking for stock tips? Barry Ritholtz says that bad quantitative facts trump the feeling that negativity is too high. In short, he says that just because people think the sky is falling doesn’t mean the sky isn’t falling.

“We want to know what you think,” the man used to say on WPIX news. And we do. Drop us a line at tips@dealbreaker.com or leave a comment below.

Comments

Posted by anon anon anon, Aug 16, 2007 3:27PM

Be carefull out there. It's a market. Or maybe it isn't.

Posted by Lee D, Aug 16, 2007 3:33PM

I've got a question.

http://businessopinions.blogspot.com/2007/08/yahoo-news-having-aneurism-over-tsx.html

What's the correlation between actual market behavior and the tenor of news items written for the general, non-finance public? Can the non-finance media be counted on to over-hyperbolize and create an impression of greater carnage than is actually the case, or does their snooching and hand-wringing trigger sympathetic panic behavior in the market?

On a related note, this week's Minyanville video is the best one in a long while.

Posted by Bill, Aug 16, 2007 3:35PM

The VH1 show was screaming sell signal. Whatever happened to Devaney and "Negative Carry"

Posted by BSD, Aug 16, 2007 3:39PM

Next up on VH1:
Behind the Hedgies that Suck
Flavor of Alpha
Bernanke Knows Best

Posted by JD, Aug 16, 2007 3:44PM

Financials rallying cause they are the Crack Dealers and the everybody knows that crackheads (Hedgefunds, Eurotrash banks) love CRACK! Bear is most likely cooking up a fresh batch of crack as we speak, up 10%.

Posted by , Aug 16, 2007 3:45PM

Fat finger error brought S&P500 into positive territory.

Posted by Anonymous, Aug 16, 2007 3:47PM

BSC got an investor from China

Posted by JD, Aug 16, 2007 3:49PM

Can you imagine if China owned the brokers, they would be executing the management for let this b.s. happen.

Posted by fws, Aug 16, 2007 3:57PM

and also on VH1:

I loved the 80's - Greed is Good
I loved the 90's - Irrational Exuberance
I loved the 00's - Credit Crunch

Posted by Mao ZeDong, Aug 16, 2007 4:00PM

I have come back from the grave!

We peasants will own you brokers!

Greed is good!

Fine print: Please send $1.99 plus shipping and handling so that I can buy the bullet for you.

Posted by jkibbel, Aug 16, 2007 4:02PM

China - $2 billion investor into Bear.

Posted by Anon, Aug 16, 2007 4:10PM

Market and people are irrational now... Dow is still up YTD and will probably be up on the year when all is said and done.

Posted by inIT4the$, Aug 16, 2007 4:16PM

If China owned the brokers the managers would have committed suicide (a la the Mattel factory guy).

Posted by Ken Land, Aug 16, 2007 4:21PM

It's a sad day for America. It really is. Think about it. While our fellow citizens busied themselves buying that piece of American dream (big SUVs and McMansion and lots of toxic toys their children) that they neither need nor could afford, the country was slowly bled of its precious cash and prestige. Since when has our nation deteriorated to such a sorry state that some decrepit third world bank can come here and buy part of Wall Street? It's Wall Street they are buying damn it! This is not some stinky ports in NJ, or some cheap IBM laptop factories!!! It's like seeing those big swinging dicks at BS being castrated of their manhoods which then sold to the highest bidders at some sick Chinese restaurants in Beijing! Hmmm... now that I see it that way, it's actually not all that bad. Those SOBs at BS deserve every bit of it! :-O

Posted by , Aug 16, 2007 4:26PM

Average Americans should really stop procreating

Posted by L'Emmerdeur, Aug 16, 2007 4:32PM

Barry Ritholtz is a puppet of the disenfranchised and the poor. He is the leader of a conspiracy aiming to overthrow the wealthy oligarchy in this country and replace it with a fair, just and meritocratic system of government.

He must be stopped.

Posted by Common Sense Man, Aug 16, 2007 4:37PM

It's a "bubble" if some hedgies you know are losing their jobs. It is a "depression" if you lose your own.
It is "business as usual" if you collected your 2% of the$1billion and are getting all that "high pussy" because of it with no cares in the world other than that damn letter to investors you'll have to send soon.

Posted by skeptic, Aug 16, 2007 4:39PM

Why would a stock be up 10% in the Chinese are investing? Blackstone anyone?

Posted by inIT4the$, Aug 16, 2007 4:44PM

the now have additional capital to play with, loan, invest, underwrite, whatever.

Posted by Mr. Li, Aug 16, 2007 4:45PM

You can now for one welcome your new Chinese overlords!

btw, hows you sez Stearns in Chinese?

p.s. See ya'll on wa-er jie :)

Posted by jtg, Aug 16, 2007 4:46PM

they now have more $$ to lose

Posted by joe, Aug 16, 2007 4:46PM

I guess I'll go to that japanese place over on 47th ... rockofeller center or something ...

oh wait, they don't own it anymore.

Posted by inIT4the$, Aug 16, 2007 4:47PM

making more money via fees, increasing earnings, thus increasing the stock price (very simple answer)

or really just adds stability and allows bear to keep day to day ops going

Posted by gab, Aug 16, 2007 5:01PM

PIMCO buying mortgages and selling treasuries. When in doubt, blame PIMCO...

Posted by de Cosmos, Aug 16, 2007 5:03PM

Where is Ron Insana finding Alpha? HaHa!

Posted by L'Emmerdeur, Aug 16, 2007 5:07PM

Could Someone please tell guys like Cramer and Kudlow to stop being such pussies and take their hits like real men? The way theu whine, you'd think their Brazilian wax zone got infected.

(oh, yes, they wax. They're PUSSIES)

Posted by , Aug 16, 2007 5:09PM

Where is Ron Paul??

Posted by JT, Aug 16, 2007 5:52PM

How did larry kudlow get to be a 'credible' pundit and 'expert'? Isn't this the same guy who its widely known has had serious bouts (like decades-long) with blow and alcohol addiction? Not that that in-and-of-itself precludes him from being credible or knowledgeable, but I mean besides being known for that, has he really attained much success in the business world (at least relative to some of the people he has on his show and bashes?)

Posted by David Brin, Aug 16, 2007 7:37PM

Ken Land,
Do you work for the US Postal Service?

Posted by Donald Last, Aug 17, 2007 6:55AM

This is not about sub-prime. It is about a global check on asset values. Securitization was about spreading risk and making the world safe for piling up debt. It was suppose to create greater financial stability. The reality is quite the reverse. It has inflated asset values to the point where they are untenable, unstable and dangerous. Central bankers should be taken out and hung, drawn and quartered.

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