Countrywide Gets Credit For Not Performing Quite As Horribly As Expected

mozilo.jpgDespite a quarterly loss of $1.2 billion, compared to a profit of $647.6 million last year, Countrywide’s shares rose the most since May 2000 on the wishful thinking that the company will be profitable in the fourth quarter. Morgan Stanley’s Kenneth Posner said that his team feels “substantially more confident in the company’s liquidity after [their] first glance at the results.” Peter Plaut, an analyst at Sanno Point Capital Management even went so far as to call the mortgage lender “a survivor,” and congratulated it for turning results that “were not as bad as market participants anticipated.” President David Sambol characterized the Q3 loss as an “earnings trough,” and predicted that fourth-quarter profits could be anywhere from 25 to 75 cents per diluted share.

Countrywide Posts Loss, Shares Advance on Forecast [Bloomberg]
Countrywide Gets Off the Mat [MarketBeat]

Comments

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Posted by Dick , Oct 26, 2007 11:45AM

George Hamilton's envious

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Posted by M.Yass , Oct 26, 2007 11:51AM

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 11:54AM

Is that dude black?

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Posted by gab , Oct 26, 2007 11:58AM

It's David Sambol, not Sambo. Damn Freudian slips...

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Posted by B W , Oct 26, 2007 11:59AM

Ok, let me get this straight, Merrill loses $8 - $10 Billion and the President Stanley O'Neal still has a job at Merrill? Where can I get a job like that? I thought Wall St. was "pay for perfomance." If it was Morgan Stanley they would of thrown him out on his ear. I thought Merrill had more pride than that.

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Posted by Tom James , Oct 26, 2007 12:00PM

Jesus! Blue shirts with white collars and cuffs are only appropriate with a white belt and white spats on your shoes.

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Posted by Dave Chappelle , Oct 26, 2007 12:01PM

The entire English speaking world will be on their conference call starting any minute. Could definately see some sparks and market volatility during the Q&A, especially if the zoo keepers haven't fed Mike Mayo overnight. Expect some market gyrations . . . bitches

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Posted by John Carney , Oct 26, 2007 12:03PM

Wait. I don't get it. What does this have to do with Merrill?

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Posted by The IB Apologist , Oct 26, 2007 12:04PM

B W: Stanley is a brilliant trader/IB guy who just got on the wrong side of the market. It was the "model's fault", not his. Let's be mature here. "Models" lose money, not trader/IB guys who have vast reservoirs of intellectual capital.

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Posted by anon anon anon , Oct 26, 2007 12:04PM

All the top guys in these firms are history: Countrywide, ML, BoA etc etc.
It's just how do they go?

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Posted by J$ , Oct 26, 2007 12:10PM

IB apologist, you're hilarious.

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Posted by series7.5 , Oct 26, 2007 12:11PM

It's not how it goes at CFC, mozillo OWNS that firm. count on it.

mayo doesnt cover countrywide doubt we will here him on this call sadly, there's really no ballsy sell-siders that cover mortgage finance

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 12:12PM

the call is blowing up. aliens have invaded countrywide offices. sell!

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Posted by Dave Chappelle , Oct 26, 2007 12:13PM

Someone hacked the call and kept saying "Mozillo is a criminal"

Fucking hysterical!

bitches

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Posted by B W , Oct 26, 2007 12:13PM

Mozzillo, Langone and Grasso would be perfect for "Goodfellas" Part II. I love all the oil & the grease.

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Posted by series7.5 , Oct 26, 2007 12:16PM

is that what that was? brilliant.

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 12:21PM

Hacked the call? No way!!! I can't believe I missed that. I had it playing but muted :(

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 12:30PM

I'm worriued about Mo - he's looking unusually pale in this pic. Is he well? It's like 90% of the color has gone out of his face..

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 12:33PM

Yes he's not looking like his usual, bright orange self.

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Posted by Dennis Kozlowski , Oct 26, 2007 1:05PM

His future jump suit will match his complexion.

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Posted by Mozillo , Oct 26, 2007 2:01PM

Mozilo said on the conference call that he blow the santa ana's winds away. He is full of air.

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Posted by n.degani , Oct 26, 2007 3:10PM

NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRYWIDE SAYS
OR DO THEY WILL GO DOWN LIKE THE OTHER 171 WHOLSALE BANKS THAT OUT OF BUSNISS .BUT COUNTRYWIDE WILL GO OUT OF BUSNISS NOT DUE TO LUCK OF MONEY BUT DUE TO BAD SERVICES ,BAD PROCESSING SYSTEM
AND HIGER RATES [DUE TO GREED]
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION IAM A MORTGAGE BROKER
WITH MANY YEARS IN THE BUSNISS

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Posted by n.degani , Oct 26, 2007 3:11PM

NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRYWIDE SAYS
OR DO THEY WILL GO DOWN LIKE THE OTHER 171 WHOLSALE BANKS THAT OUT OF BUSNISS .BUT COUNTRYWIDE WILL GO OUT OF BUSNISS NOT DUE TO LUCK OF MONEY BUT DUE TO BAD SERVICES ,BAD PROCESSING SYSTEM
AND HIGER RATES [DUE TO GREED]
PLEASE NOTE THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION IAM A MORTGAGE BROKER
WITH MANY YEARS IN THE BUSNISS

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Posted by GIL , Oct 26, 2007 3:15PM

COUNTRYWIDE WITH THEIR BAD
PROCESSING SYSTEM WONT LAST IN THE MORTGAGE BUSNISS TO LONG
G.Z LOAN OFFICER

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 5:13PM

obviously n.degani has no idea what he/she is talking about. mortgage brokers are the GREEDIEST SONS OF BITCHES I'VE EVER KNOWN! Countrywide gives nothing but the best service out there!!!! higher rates, you mean less yield spread for you, that's all you're worried about!

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 5:22PM

Anonymous 5:13PM, I don't know anything about CFC's quality of service ... But I think that most of us here view greed as a positive personality trait ... Not that mortgage brokers (or others dealing with retail clients) are regarded highly around these parts ...

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Posted by eastbay , Oct 26, 2007 5:23PM

CFC up 32% today. is there still money to be made by shorting CFC?

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 6:22PM

It's over.. switch to long

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Posted by Mike , Oct 26, 2007 6:45PM

Worked for Countrywide for 3 yrs.. nice people but when you start hiring Ameriquest left overs, guess what your goning to start getting the same service. Greed. To bad was looking for the long haul with c-wide.

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Posted by Anonymoustoo , Oct 26, 2007 6:55PM

First of all Mr. N. Degani, if you'd learn to spell, what you have to say may have a little bit more credibility. Who am I kidding, you have no idea what you are talking about. Countrywide's specialty is not wholesale it's retail and they are damn good at it. If they get out of the wholesale business it's for the best and then what will the brokers do. As the wholesale dicisions shut down broker will be standing in line at the BANKS for a job. Too bad they can't pass background!!! I love how critics show up as experts in times like these. They have nothing to do with their time but talk shit about what they read and have no original material of their own. Get a job...no really...get a job.

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Posted by Phil , Oct 26, 2007 7:10PM

You spelled Divisions wrong

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Posted by , Oct 26, 2007 9:11PM

Anonoymoustoo is right. Cuntrywide is a well managed company, just look at their performance.

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Posted by Doh!! , Oct 26, 2007 10:23PM

First of all, you're all a bunch of toolbags! Let me tell you what's going to happen to Countrywide since I currently work there as an Account Executive. My Op's center was shut down out of nowhere in August-September prompting the Company to shift my regions volume to a state 2500 miles away from my territory to allegedly "deal with the current liquidity crisis" All the while higher command is repeatedly saying over and over how "commited" they are to the subprime division. (If that's so, why do you keep telling us that over and over again?) Next, the incoming volume get switched from one state 2500 miles away to another state about 2800 miles away confusing the living shit out of all of our brokers making us all look like total morons when it comes to answering the question of where the loan is and who is clearing the conditions. Fast forward 2 weeks and we take an 11.5B loan from 40 different banks, 3 weeks later that money is gone but don't worry, every thing is gonna be okay! 1 month later B of A buys 2b in convertible stock with a strike of 18 bucks. Well one day the stock dropped below the strike essentially screwing that whole thing up! 2 weeks later, the comapny announces that we're getting rid of that subprime division that they were so commited to and decide to hold a conference call blowing out about 450 reps with NO severence pay because they want to combine sales forces. Then, they close 12 prime centers in several (i mean several) different states basically booting those employees out on the street, shifting that loan volume to other centers where moral and service levels were low to begin with and not really telling the salesforce the whole story about the true nature of where we are headed. Now it's the beginning of October, no loans have been closed, the subprime sales reps have no clue how to sell conforming products, 30% of the wholesale sales force is gone, mass amounts of mortgage broker have gone out of business because of the slow turnaround and lack of urgency, sales reps are either getting part time jobs to stay afloat or they are going into foreclosure themselves, legitimate stories are flying around on internet news sites about the condition of the company, CW hires a PR firm to spin the truth, access to outside websites like ml-implode.com are blocked internally and then of all things they want us to electronically sign a fucking pledge to tell the Countrywide story to friends, family, and mortgage brokers to recieve a green fucking bracelet with the words "protect our house" on it! Are you kidding me? People at the Corporate offcie in CA put their bracelets on e-bay becuase it was such a joke! One guy got a $75.00 bid on his. We were told on a conference call to "go supplement our income" becasue corporate would never find out. Thwn after 60 days of starving out your sales force, they put us on a draw of "peanuts" and double assign reps to offices so they can start fighting amonst themselves and get fired or quit out of frustration becasue CW doesn't want to pay unemployment. Meanwhile, the stock continues to take a dump, a former HUD secretary turned director quits earlier in the week, and the stock is down to 13.83 from almost 50 bucks in Jan 07. Once it hits 10, it becomes a penny stock! B of A lays off 3000 sales people today because they've been in bed with Mozilo since 1969 and he already has a salesforce in place. Can you say "buyout"? Because the SEC is on Mozilo's ass, the Cheifs are dropping like flies out of the corporate office, and basically the game's over. So you can all stop your piedreaming about how resilient the comapny is and how they'll make it through this. Next stop, Capital Hill for Senate hearings! This train ain't coming back to the station!

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Posted by J$ , Oct 26, 2007 10:54PM

Well then, guess I'll go ahead and short CFC...

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Posted by Not Doh , Oct 27, 2007 12:50AM

I think Doh said it all

What is Wall Sreet smoking anyway????

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Posted by donald , Oct 27, 2007 10:52AM

countrywide service sucks 100%
they will go down,its amatter of time

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Posted by DINA , Oct 27, 2007 10:56AM

SERVICE IS A PROBLEM AT COUNTRYWIDE THEY ARE TOO SLOW
AND DONT FOLLOW UP

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Posted by OWEN B JOHNSON , Oct 27, 2007 10:59AM

AS A MORTGAGE MAN COUNTRYWIDE IS ALWAS MY LAST CHOICE THEIR SERVICE IS JUST PLAIN BAD&SLOW

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Posted by john , Oct 27, 2007 11:15AM

on the wholsale level countrywide have alot to learn what service is all about

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Posted by OWEN B JOHNSON , Oct 27, 2007 12:45PM

I'M A DOUCHE AND I LIKE TO WRITE IN CAPS

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Posted by karen , Oct 27, 2007 4:01PM

its time to tell the truth countrywide
service sucks and you all know it

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Posted by dan , Oct 27, 2007 4:06PM

countrywide does not sucks they are just
slow and the system they use is bad
dani
mtg broker

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Posted by SAM , Oct 28, 2007 8:52AM

THERE IS NO SECRET THAT CONTRYWIDE WHOLSALE SYSTEM
IS VERY BAD,THEY HAVE A LOT TO LEARN AND IMPROVE,OR THEY WILL END UP OUT OF BUSNIS. ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME

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Posted by Nunya , Oct 30, 2007 5:39PM

ok anonymous,

You sound like a bitter fella that got his ass kicked out of CW. Yeah, they laid off a bunch of the sales force, but what kind of pipe did they have??? Umm, I would say NONE!!! And you are an AE or should I say were....you should know that CW is based primarily on their retail business and not wholesale. You should have seen the signs. Everybody is getting out of wholesale!!!

Okay really, what is the worst that can happen to CW? They are too big of a company for anyone to let them go under. They reported their first loss in 100 quarters. Yes, 100 Quarters. Will they be acquired? Maybe, but is that really a bad thing???? BOA laying off 3000....could it be a strategic move to acquire CW??? Maybe. But think about it, for those that are left...more power to them.

Quit crying and move on. It couldn't have been such a bad company since you had to be LET GO and you didn't quit. Admit that the company is good. Does it have it's flaws? YES!! They all do.

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Posted by Doh , Oct 30, 2007 7:30PM

Dear Nunya,
As a matter of fact, I still work there and I won't be fired becase I'm just too productive. Unlike yourself I have a firm grasp on reality and I REFUSE to lie to my clients about how peachy everything is when it really isn't. Newsflash! Check here for yourself and then let's see what you have to say. http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN3013219320071030?rpc=44
Secondly, get your facts striaght. CW isn't the 800 lb gorilla because of origination activity. They are who they are because they bought and serviced everything that they could get their hands on. By the way, where'd you get the 100 quarter profit statistic from? Was that drilled down to you from corporate in a blast e-mail? It's amazing what a PR firm can do for your image especially when you're drilling down info to moron mortgage brokers like yourself! You guys will believe just about anything. For instance: Hey Nunya, there's still life left in Countrywide!! See what I mean?? LoL! CW is no longer the goldenchild of the street as they once were. You see my fowl brained friend, I'm not bitter I just believe in doing the right thing first. Money and profits are simply a by product of how you treat people. But as a mortgage broker working out of your mother's basement in your Old Navy boxers with that fruity pebbles stained 1003 on your desk, I wouldn't expect you to understand that most basic of business principles! What's even funnier is that you probably thought that doing the right thing was just a move title at the local Blockbuster store. Get a clue and get back to work asshole, there a truck full of college kids that wanna supersize it pulling up in the drive-thru! Like I said before, this train ain't coming back to the station!!

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Posted by , Oct 30, 2007 10:04PM

Doh, at this rate you're going to end up moving the stock down another 20%. That doesn't help you since you work there, so I don't quite understand your motivation.

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Posted by Whothehellcares , Oct 31, 2007 9:09AM

I am with you anonymous.

Doh, why the hell are you complaining about if you are SUPPOSEDLY making all this money. Shut the hell up and go back to your MISERABLE job. OR Quit riding on CW's coattail and get the hell out of there if it's SOOO bad. Truth is that IF you really have all this business would you be working for such a "terrible" company.

You are an EMPLOYEE, if you had any business sense you would be working for yourself. You are forever going to complain about a company that you do not own. I applaud Mozilo for 40 years of successful business. He's a rich man and you are holding on to a pipeline that could disappear tomorrow. Sad, just plain sad. All the money you are suposedly making or have made is probably gone because you banked on a pipeline or should I say pipe dream. Foreclosure and Repo is what I have to say to you. You are probably crying because the Jag that you bought when your business was on the increase is now on a tow truck heading back. The house you bought so you could entertain your "friends" has a HUGE sign in the yard and is now listed with CW as a foreclosure property. Try rent.com . I'm sure you'll find a place.

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Posted by Doh , Oct 31, 2007 9:45AM

Ok, ok, I'll stop my rant. Maybe I was a little harsh and my intention is not to drive the stock price down. I just wish that honesty and full disclosure could take precedence over profits and QE. Maybe that's a bit naive of me but that's the way I feel. And I probably shouldn't have spoken to you all like that so please accept my apology. Deep down inside I really do hope that the company makes it because love him or hate him, Mozilo really is a genius. I'm sure their gameplan will work out to benefit everyone in the market and they may have to get a few more infusions from outside sources because the truth is that there is some definate value there and everyone knows it. Even me! Although I don't agree with their strategy, I'm just a foot soldier so at the end of the day what do I really know? Yes I'm pissed. And no, I didn't lose my Jag or my house to a sheriffs sale. But you're right about one thing, I probably should look at the big picture and consider that these guys need to stay in business for the benefit of us all. Pay no attention to me, I'm just a person who is more than likely just burned out from the rollercoaster ride known as the mortgage industry. You guys are the ones with the real knowledge and your pulse on the market should be trusted more than my denunciation of CW. Can you blame me for being a little frustrated?

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Posted by Whothehellcares , Oct 31, 2007 11:12AM

Love the humility. It's rough for all of us. Don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

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Posted by Whothehellcares , Oct 31, 2007 11:12AM

Love the humility. It's rough for all of us. Don't bite the hand that feeds ya.

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Posted by Chuck , Nov 07, 2007 11:28PM

"You spelled Divisions wrong"-Phil

There are worse things than misspelling the word divisions. Like mismanaging several divisions.

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