The post-graduate plans of business school graduates are sometimes taken to be contrary indicators. In fact, as we pointed out a little over a year ago, a system for measuring market sell signals based on the plans of Harvard Business School grads had been designed by Ray Soifer, a retired executive from Brown Brothers Harriman. By his metric, when 10% or less of a graduating class take Wall Street jobs, it's a long-term buy signal. When 30% or more take market sensitive Wall Street jobs, it's a big flashing sell signal.
When we noted first this story, 37% of the class of 2006 had gone to market sensitive Wall Street positions. This year's number was even higher--40%. Meanwhile, following the trend of recent years, the average number of months of work experience of HBS grads slipped from 52 to 50.
And the big money is still where it was last year: private equity and other buyout firms. According to a recent Financial Times article, graduates who go to private-equity firms "stand to earn more than $400,000 in salary and bonus in 2007-08, plus up to $5 million over several years depending on the fund's performance."
"By contrast, first-year associates with MBA degrees at big, publicly traded investment banks can expect to make $70,000 to $80,000 in base salary plus bonuses of $60,000 to $80,000, according to Eric Moskowitz of the Options Group," Francesco Guerrera and Ben White of the Financial Times write.
(Updated Note: Those numbers seem a bit low to us. In fact, they seem to jive with what we've heard Moskowitz say about first-year Wall Street analyst pay. We've contacted the Options Group to ask about that number. Certainly, the information from top tier graduates schools--prime recruiting ground for investment banks--indicates higher numbers.)
Those numbers struck us as low, even given the current damage to bonuses most expect from the credit crunch. Indeed, the information provided by Harvard Business School itself discloses much higher base salaries
Interestingly, however, we can report that the percentage of HBS grads headed to buyout land is down a tick from last year. Thirteen percent of the class of 2006 went to buyout firms. Only 12% of the class of 2007 followed that road. We have no idea whether that means that private equity is already over or headed for a comeback.
Private equity gains ground in talent war [Financial Times]






Posted by Wha? , Nov 19, 2007 10:30AM
70k-80k for first year mba associate? That was my base the first year out of college as an analyst. That number still accurate??
Posted by AJ , Nov 19, 2007 10:36AM
Yeah, he must have meant first year analyst. There's no way that's associate.
Posted by DRD , Nov 19, 2007 10:45AM
No he meant associate, because that's what the article reported for 1st year MBA i-bank pay, which is completely wrong. But that's to be expected from Carney
Posted by , Nov 19, 2007 10:48AM
the average number of months of work experience of HBS grads slipped from 52 to 50%.(?!?)
Posted by anon2 , Nov 19, 2007 10:56AM
yea, that 52% stat didnt make sense. anyone able to clarify?
Posted by , Nov 19, 2007 10:56AM
Link to the FT article links to the same DB article as above.
Posted by , Nov 19, 2007 11:02AM
"We have no idea whether that means that private equity is already over or headed for a comeback."
no way, the vaunted DB predictive machine is brekaing down?
Posted by , Nov 19, 2007 11:42AM
10:48 - where did you get a % sign?
Posted by John Carney , Nov 19, 2007 11:50AM
The percentage sign was a typical DealBreaker typo and now we've corrected it!
Posted by 1st yr analyst , Nov 19, 2007 3:51PM
if that's the going rate for associates, most banks wouldn't need to lay anyone off as everyone would just leave. (except maybe wachovia, where that is probably in line with their pay scale)