Earlier today we pointed out that the seventy-four percent discount on the asset backed securities Citadel has acquired from E*Trade will likely trigger a good deal of consternation on Wall Street. For the past few months banks and brokerages have been struggling to re-asses their credit portfolios. Even after a series of write-downs on those assets, many investors and market watchers remain unconvinced that the best and the brightest of the financial world understand the extent of their losses or are willing to be forthcoming about them.
The reason why Citadel's discount may have the bean-counters scrambling is that under new accounting standards—referred by those who enjoy talking in word and number jumbles as FAS 157 and FAS 159—companies are required to take into account easily available information about the market prices for their assets. With the Citadel trade blasted across Bloomberg screens and newspaper headlines, it's hard to argue that the information is not available.
What's more, one standard excuse for not writing-down assets should be unavailable. Under older standards, companies could claim that the assets had more value than could be achieved in a current market sale. No longer. These days companies are required to value even lightly traded assets in terms of the values they could achieve by selling or transferring the position. And that should mean they cannot blithely ignore the pricing of E*Trade's ABS portfolio.
It's still possible that other holders of asset backed securities on Wall Street will claim that E*Trades portfolio was especially weak or that they may continue to value the components of their own ABS portfolio as individual units rather than attempt to estimate the losses that would be incurred if a huge part of the portfolio was sold. This may provide some cover for the banks but it is not at all reassuring. We're told constantly that this latest round of write-downs has been the last, that the banks and brokerages are writing-down more than they need to because they have suddenly become conservative about such things. But if they put their heads in the sand—or, other dark places—and ignore E*Trade, we'll have to view these claims of a new conservatism on Wall Street with even more skepticism usual.






Posted by , Nov 29, 2007 2:06PM
whats up with the etfs? anyone know
Posted by just me , Nov 29, 2007 2:16PM
I love it - I hope this results in more layoffs of the mid-west crowd, which results in more mid-west chicks willing to put out and not have to go back to the farm. I love it.
Posted by repeatingofcours , Nov 29, 2007 2:27PM
They're putting new asses on their credit portfolios? This is big news....
Posted by Conan the (Value) Destroyer , Nov 29, 2007 2:40PM
Anyone remember when Greenspan said that there was "a global savings glut?"
I guess this was obvious to everyone else, but it just occurred to me that negative returns (massive losses) are the eventual result of that savings glut.
One could also point out that this relates to a value-maximizing corporate dividend strategy. If you let managers have too much money they eventually destroy value.
I guess that when people have too much money this piss it away.
Posted by Conan the (Value) Destroyer , Nov 29, 2007 2:41PM
Anyone remember when Greenspan said that there was "a global savings glut?"
I guess this was obvious to everyone else, but it just occurred to me that negative returns (massive losses) are the eventual result of that savings glut.
One could also point out that this relates to a value-maximizing corporate dividend strategy. If you let managers have too much money they eventually destroy value.
I guess that when people have too much money they piss it away.
Posted by Bad Moon Reising , Nov 29, 2007 3:20PM
About 2 weeks ago FASB announced the implementation of 157 and 159 would be put off one year (Dec 2008)... which may mean nothing but could also skew total writedowns a little farther ahead into the future.
Posted by "just me" sucks , Nov 29, 2007 3:31PM
You engage in Schadenfreude now... you may at some point discover that you are not invulnerable, and you may be the one out on the streets.
You act like you wanna use these tricks like objects, and toss em like trash. I will stand by the chicks rather than cynical little you.
Posted by just me , Nov 29, 2007 4:01PM
did somebody lose their job, bonus and girlfriend all in 1 day?? aawwwww....
Posted by "just me" sucks , Nov 29, 2007 4:36PM
None of the above. But why should that concern you anyway? You only care about numero uno anyway...
Posted by , Nov 29, 2007 4:37PM
Bad Moon:
I believe 157 and 159 is postponed for non-financial companies
Posted by Neal Downenlikker, Iowa Farmer , Nov 29, 2007 4:39PM
Hey!! Don't send them Midwesterners back here! This ethanol biz is fixin to take a lot of farmers down like 3rd class passengers on the Titanic. We don't need no intellectual capital out here right now...we're all full up.
Posted by Could Be , Nov 29, 2007 4:51PM
"just me sucks" sure sounds a lot like Techno Viking on YouTube.
Posted by , Nov 29, 2007 4:55PM
just me, i dont follow your logic, are you saying that midwest chicks move to nyc and just live off the proceeds of dating mortgage bankers or something?
Posted by , Nov 29, 2007 5:06PM
wow john so you are basically completely ignoring the commenters on your last post about this, huh?
Posted by just me , Nov 29, 2007 6:14PM
Nahhh..I'm saying they live off their midwest boyfriends (whatever they do) and when the bf loses his shitty job, the farm girls having now seen the city light, will do anything, and I mean anything, to stay in town. And by town, I mean manhattan. Brooklyn, etc may as well be iowa to a lot of people.
Posted by , Nov 30, 2007 8:17AM
ahhh i see. wow i cant believe that happens. why would some dude making bank import his girlfriend from michigan or whatever when he could go at it with all the other wildlife the city has to offer