Amaranth Boys Fail At Moore Capital

You kind of had to root for the Amaranth guys, right? I mean, sure, we weren’t totally psyched about everything thing they did—hushed voice: Solengo—but after the wipe out a lot of very good people found themselves without desks, jobs or reasons to take the train to Greenwich. Even the wild and wooly Calgary office—Brian Hunter, please, just call us, we’ll totally get along—had a lot of good lads who had to polish their resumes when the great “meltdown” (or, if your prefer, “blowup”) sunk the firm.

So it’s with a heavy heat we note that Moore Capital Management has closed its Canadian hedge fund unit. Moore’s Canada team was based out of out Toronto and employed a number of former Amaranth traders. It’s fate was apparently sealed after its mangers lost 15 percent in November on stock and convertible-bond positions.

The Canada team was led by Manos Vourkoutiotis, who cut his teeth at Amaranth. Apparently anumber of other traders were also former Amaranth boys. They managed $1 billion for Moore funds before last month's decline, according to two people who Bloomberg describes as “people with knowledge of the firm.” Moore has about $13 billion, so a 15 percent decline in $1 billion of its assets under management is not exactly something it could afford to shrug off.

Moore Capital Closes Canadian Unit Following Losses [Bloomberg]

Comments

Posted by anon, Dec 13, 2007 12:05PM

No reversion to the mean? Nov was tough if you had a long-only play in HF or otherwise...

Maybe these crackerjacks are in fact a few fries short of a happy meal. I'm sorry, Toronto (and Canada), to hear you get a bad rap because of these bad boys.

Posted by inIT4the$, Dec 13, 2007 12:30PM

I wanna tell you people something (amaranth and their like), and it's really simple. Hitting a home run in a bull market doesn't mean sh*t if you lose it all the next year. The point...NOT losing money in a bear market is probably more important than making it in a bull. Why, compounding, that's why. If you don't get what I'm saying, you don't belong in this business.

Posted by TheUnrepentantGunner, Dec 13, 2007 12:43PM

Wait, you mean if i gain 50% one year, and lose 50% the next, I haven't broke even?

So THATS why I keep losing money!

The better deadspin poll would be for readers to suggest the future occupation of the traders.

My money is on them working as gambling touts on a 1-900 line. Their picks are guaranteed 60% of the time, everytime!

Posted by SwingfortheFences, Dec 13, 2007 1:14PM

Just claim that losses are an "unforeseen market event" and start a new fund next year.

Posted by Anal_yst, Dec 13, 2007 1:25PM

Um, Carney, 15% on the $1bn portfolio of $13bn total is >1.5% of AUM. I dunno about you but if you're running to the hills every 1.5% swing its probably good that you stay in the finance blogging biz and out of the investing one. Not that I suggest they should have let the 'ranth guys try to trade out of their losses, chances are that the 3rd time would not, in fact, be the charm.

Posted by L'Emmerdeur, Dec 13, 2007 1:52PM

Even back in high school, Manos didn't know when to walk away from the three card Monty table. Bastard cost me a hundred guilders.

(true story)

Posted by I'm a dude, Dec 13, 2007 2:52PM

shit, how much is a guilder?

Posted by Alpha, Dec 13, 2007 4:41PM

The bulk of the Moore team left some time ago (they're being incubated by Goldman). Mano's went down with the ship.

Posted by Ni Hao, Dec 13, 2007 6:44PM

In China, they would get a bullet in the back of the head, so they aren't doing to bad in my little red book.

Posted by L'Emmerdeur, Dec 13, 2007 6:51PM

They use euros these days, but for a kid in high school, it was booze money for the MUN trip.

I'm sure Manos will be back soon enough, the Brothers Vourkoutiotis are a tough bunch.

Posted by Juan, Dec 27, 2007 11:11AM

wonder how many other wonder boys will fail after being hit with large signing bonuses ect.. this may give other manager the brass ones to drop some dead weight.

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