• 05 Dec 2007 at 2:13 PM
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Ron Paul: Friend Or Foe?

In the latest Business Week, Maria Bartiromo interviews Ron Paul.

Do you consider yourself a friend or a foe of Wall Street?
If they believe in freedom, free markets, and sound money, they’ll love me. But if they like creating credit out of thin air, they’ll see me as a threat. I was one of three people who voted against Sarbanes-Oxley because I thought it was detrimental to Wall Street. I’d repeal it.

After the jump, take a reader poll on whether Ron Paul is a friend or foe.


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  1. Posted by Matt | December 5, 2007 at 2:26 PM

    No Ron Paul posts please. Love the guy, voted for him a friend but his supporters are lunatics.
    The have bots going all over the net and simply swamp any Paul related post or poll. It is not the true form of debate (more like massive spam) and makes all the posts disgusting and polls useless.
    Good for site traffic though!

  2. Posted by jeff | December 5, 2007 at 2:30 PM

    We are not “bots”..lol…there are just many more of us then you think…

  3. Posted by slimjim | December 5, 2007 at 2:30 PM

    Ron Paul are you fucking kidding me. He is a jackass. Don’t forget to Vote Hillary in 08. She will protect us from the terrorists

  4. Posted by Chris | December 5, 2007 at 2:32 PM

    I am not a bot. The bots you are refering to were e-mail bots. I highly doubt the veried posts about RP in forums like this are bot driven.

  5. Posted by watchmen | December 5, 2007 at 2:32 PM

    Let’s give it up for ….MARIA.

  6. Posted by Tim 'not a bot' Cherkassky | December 5, 2007 at 2:33 PM

    Interesting how someone that votes for someone is automatically a ‘bot’.
    You know Reagan won in his 1st term by a large margin, if you could imagine this result today you would call his supporters ‘bots’.
    Ron Paul has won a majority of straw polls and each debate on national TV. What is it so hard to grasp that he has supporters?
    There are 10 people that I met that are Ron Paul supporters, 8 of them have never used the internet before. Keep that in mind. His support is massive.

  7. Posted by Paul | December 5, 2007 at 2:34 PM

    Matt, Matt, Matt…
    When are you people going to learn that there is no Ron Paulspambot at work on the WEB?
    What you are witnessing, with all of the “lunatics” you want to denigrate, is nothing less than the awakening of the American people!
    And yes…we are “crazy” for Ron Paul as we now have an individual to follow who won’t lie to us, won’t mislead us and who stands for the same America that we were “told” we lived in.

  8. Posted by Ilya | December 5, 2007 at 2:35 PM

    Yea I have to agree with Jeff. Whenever he leads in online polls it is always something rigged by bots or whatever. How about people are sick of the usually Republican Demcorat b.s. I have not voted since 1996 and plan to vote this year for Dr. Paul. He is attracting many people who don’t usually follow politics. If you ask me the lunatics are the ones who wish for a President Guliani or President Hillary!

  9. Posted by Tim C | December 5, 2007 at 2:36 PM

    “Bravo, Bellisimo, Go Ron Paul!”
    Those that actually deal in the stock market know that Ron Paul is their friend.
    It’s no secret.

  10. Posted by Chris | December 5, 2007 at 2:36 PM

    I love it when all people can do is call RP and supporters names.
    Why vote Hillary? What makes he so monumentally special? Hillary cant protect herself from Bill and womanizing, how is she going to protect the whole country?
    How is Hillary and her stance on the War any different then any other candidate?
    How about her stance on monetary policy?
    How about immagration?
    Whatever she has to say sound like every other candidate repulican or dem, except for Ron Paul. The only honest man in washington. Hillary is a man.

  11. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 2:37 PM

    how did you people find this place so quickly

  12. Posted by Bulging Bracket | December 5, 2007 at 2:40 PM

    People we’ve never seen before show up and shout their support for Ron Paul. Then they disappear and go to the next site where Ron Paul was mentioned. It’s like when DB gets a link from Gawker: we get an influx of hipsters yelling about how horrible wall street is. Not exactly a natural phenomenon.
    All that Ron Paul’s supporters have shown is that they know how to set up a Google Alert and are very active on the internet. Winning teh internets is just slightly different from winning the primaries. We’ll have to wait for February for them to shut up and go home. I can hardly wait.

  13. Posted by Matt | December 5, 2007 at 2:41 PM

    :)

  14. Posted by EE | December 5, 2007 at 2:41 PM

    I’m finishing up my last year in college and let me tell you, his support from the 18-25 crowd is huge. I never thought a “republican” would get this kind of support from my age group but its happening.
    Wore my Ron Paul rEVOLution shirt to classes yesterday, got a good vibe

  15. Posted by slimjim | December 5, 2007 at 2:43 PM

    Well Matt you were right, here come the wackos

  16. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 2:47 PM

    I’m votin’ for him cause he’s got two first names

  17. Posted by s75 | December 5, 2007 at 2:48 PM

    its funny because i happen to think the guy has some good ideas, but definitely recognize that his most ardent and well informed supporters definitely have a bit of the “lunatic fringe” thing going on. others seem to be typically in the “i like him because he’s different” camp

  18. Posted by TheUnrepentantGunner | December 5, 2007 at 2:52 PM

    I’ve got 3:11 in my office pool for the first person to make a “who is Ron Paul” post.
    On another note, I now fully value my DVR. I actually don’t mind moderately amusing beer ads, or other random references. But this last election, even in an off year brought me enough stupid political ads to vow to start pausing and fastforwarding through commercials.

  19. Posted by Kashdog | December 5, 2007 at 2:53 PM

    Matt,
    It wasn’t cyberbots that showed up at San Francisco straw poll to vote for Ron Paul. It was flesh and blood human beings whose large number caused the meeting chairwoman to cancel the vote to avoid an undesirable result, a Ron Paul victory. See for yourself at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GADQv3vKs.
    For a writtten description of the event read: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017449.html
    The Ron Paul supporters are not an artificial construct of a computer program.

  20. Posted by Emmett | December 5, 2007 at 2:55 PM

    To Bulging Bracket: If you care to look at the situation objectively, you may come to a different conclusion, my friend. Consider that the internet has been maturing exponentially every year, and you cannot begin to predict the impact it may have this cycle. Consider also that, instead of a few thousand hard-core google-alertists who constantly troll “teh internets,” perhaps you are witnessing a statistical phenomenon. You take millions of supporters, and figure that .02% of them are looking at articles online at any one time, and it easily explains our overwhelming majority with which you seem so insecure. Just a thought. Good day!

  21. Posted by mikal slakis | December 5, 2007 at 2:57 PM

    Ron Paul is the only hope for saving this country. The common people have been sold out by the Demokrats and Republikans and enslaved by rapidly growing federal buracracy.
    Ron will save us all.

  22. Posted by Not a bot | December 5, 2007 at 2:58 PM

    I am a Ron Paul supporter. I have never voted in my life. I never followed politics. Then early this yar I broke my leg and was homebound for the most part. I started researching on the internet and came across Ron Paul. Things then began to make sense about what was going on in the world. I didn’t want to be a sheep or part of the big fraud, so I support Ron Paul.

  23. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 2:58 PM

    im all for ron paul… but you guys are whackjobs… political supporters of any stripe are a bit off..
    get a job

  24. Posted by Anon | December 5, 2007 at 3:01 PM

    Ron Paul stands for freedom. He will bring back the gold standard and will take the U.S. out of the United Nations!

  25. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 3:03 PM

    I’m killing it and getting it done here on Wallstreet, and a huge Ron Paul fan.
    Screw McCain-Feingold for telling me how much of my bonus i can give him for the campaign. It’s my money, and their law is immoral.

  26. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 3:05 PM

    I’m killing it and getting it done here on Wallstreet
    The very fact you said that totally proves it :)

  27. Posted by anon | December 5, 2007 at 3:05 PM

    He’s a no-BS type guy, amidst a sea of people who love to push BS to people (whether it be Wall Street or Washington).
    I wish, like the Wall Street firms that are getting subpoenas from Cuomo, that politicians could be held accountable for all the ridiculous promises/comments they make and the crap they deliver. Couldn’t they be sued by the American people, with money coming from their soft-money contribs and interest-group perks, as well as their salary and nifty health plans they have. Take their houses if need be when they put us up to this sorta BS.
    I’m not sure I’d support Ron Paul, but he’s a gadfly (like Socrates) who’s needed at a crazy time like this.

  28. Posted by HillaryHater | December 5, 2007 at 3:08 PM

    Hillary is a liar and another War monger who is chomping at the bit to fight someone besides her husband ad other dems.
    Iranians have no weapons. We overthrew their government and isntalled the hah and now, idiots like Hillary want to attack them without basis.
    Funy, and you call Ron Paul supporters lunatics. Get a clue.
    In September Mrs. Clinton, Democrat of New York, voted in favor of a Senate measure declaring the Iranian Revolutionary Guards “proliferators of mass destruction,” a vote that was condemned by her rivals in the Democratic field. After the vote, her aides issued a statement saying, “The Revolutionary Guards are deeply involved in Iran’s nuclear program.”
    Sounds exactly like bush and Iraq.
    A vote for anyone but Ron Paul is a vote for more of the same lies, BS and lining of politicos pockets.

  29. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 3:11 PM

    Carney — Thanks for having the stones to post this.
    Buchanan for Veep?

  30. Posted by anon 03:05 | December 5, 2007 at 3:11 PM

    I’m not a bot, and anyway I have a friend who’s been a liberal since I’ve known him, who’s now a rabid Ron Paul fan. I’m on the conservative side of things and also have a good degree of respect for Ron Paul. The guy can seem a bit preachy, but he questions the status quo on a lot of stuff, which brings the dialog to a new level. And he’s got the energy of a 30-yr-old, I’d like to know what sorta coffee he drinks. :D

  31. Posted by EE | December 5, 2007 at 3:15 PM

    anon 3:11 -
    i know even supporting Ron Paul is considered by some to be a bit extreme, and i support him, but Buchanan? lets not get crazy here…

  32. Posted by James Orleans | December 5, 2007 at 3:17 PM

    I’m a 36 year old engineer, Republican. I used to support McCain, until he sold out to the Republican establishment after being smeared in the 2004 election. All I hear when mainstream media covers Ron Paul is fringe, conspiracy, long shot, isolationist…Libertarian. I see serious consideration by the media and its self appointed pundits of candidates with lower poll numbers and less financial backing. Why is that? I never seriously considered Ron Paul until I read his platform. It actually makes sense and I can see why it would scare all sorts of big government, establishment types. I recommend you read his platform too, and at least have the decency to try to attack his ideas instead of mindlessly trying to attack the man.
    …not what the mainstream media tells you his ideas are, but his actual ideas.
    Ron Paul 2008

  33. Posted by Sigismundo | December 5, 2007 at 3:18 PM

    “…political supporters of any stripe are a bit off…”
    Oh, I couldn’t agree more. All this “election” and “Democracy” stuff is sooo annoying. I wish we could just stop giving it all so much attention. It’s really not very important. The people in charge are taking very good care of us and I trust them to protect us and do what’s best for us, our progeny and our world, so let’s not worry about it……..Anybody seen any good movies lately?…..I just want some delicious bread and a good, bright and shiny circus.

  34. Posted by tammy | December 5, 2007 at 3:28 PM

    There are many more of us than you think. We are human. Not bots!! I’m so sick of that crap!
    and slimjim, you’ve got to be kidding? Hillary? Protect us? Oh my, you need to do more research.
    TEAPARTY07 DECEMBER 16!

  35. Posted by Scared | December 5, 2007 at 3:31 PM

    “There are 10 people that I met that are Ron Paul supporters, 8 of them have never used the internet before. Keep that in mind. His support is massive.”
    That’s because most of his supporters only communication with the outside world is via manifestos delivered from their Montana bunkers.
    Ron Paul has a bunch of really good ideas. That does not mean Ron Paul is a good idea.

  36. Posted by Snarf from the Thundercats | December 5, 2007 at 3:31 PM

    Huckabee 2008

  37. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 3:38 PM

    Ron Paul supporters:
    You guys don’t seem to get the fact that many people (not just wall streeters) find it strange that there is a subculture of Ron Paul people out there who go out and search every page on the internet, and proceed to bombard it any time Ron Paul is mentioned.
    Its not that we don’t support the democratic process or presidential campaigning, but the extremity of your support makes it seem like some of you people need to be talked off of a ledge.

  38. Posted by Give-up Agreement | December 5, 2007 at 3:39 PM

    Carney, why did you post this? Your regular readers don’t care about Ron Paul. Ron Paul, for the most part, is irrelevant. I refuse to cast a vote in the above poll because someone so irrelevant is neither friend nor foe. Sure, he brings up some interesting points – I like that he voted against sarbox – but he’s basically a fringe wacko. For Christ’s sake, the man wants to put back on the gold standard! I can’t take him seriously when he supports such a blatantly stupid policy.
    As Bulging Bracket brought up, the only reason we’re hearing so much about Paul is because of his little college douche volenteers posting crap all over the net. It’s just like what the little Howard Dean douches did in the last presidential election.
    Can’t we get these primaries over with so these people stop littering our dealbroker with moronic, irrelvant comments? Comments should be: (1) lusting after Bess or some Fox Business News hottie, (2) ranking on Carney, (3) ranking on Jimmy Cayne, (4) ranking on other CEOs, (5) hating on some random douche, etc.

  39. Posted by For you New readers | December 5, 2007 at 3:41 PM

    If you want a Funk & Wagnalls definition of “airhead” read most of the above.

  40. Posted by Clove | December 5, 2007 at 3:46 PM

    I like Ron Paul and all, but can you jerk offs at least be relevant to the post or the site in general. If not, at least post some upskirt links or something.
    Be useful for fucks sake.

  41. Posted by Bulging Bracket | December 5, 2007 at 3:47 PM

    Bahahahahaha….
    Ron Paul is still polling at 0% in real life, but winning teh internets. Polls have serious problems, but they are more in terms of an extra 4% error or a 4%ish bias in one way or another. They are not missing some supposed majority for Ron Paul. Even if there are 2 million Ron Paul supporters, that means nothing in a population of 300M.
    Then there’s the “return to the gold standard” and stopping “creating credit out of thin air”. North Korea has more sensible economic policies than that.
    McCain-Feingold is an abomination. When I said that I wanted 2nd Amendment jurisprudence to resemble that of the 1st, I didn’t mean that I wanted the 1st to be gutted as well! Apparently “shall make no law” means “can make whatever law they want, if they feel it’s really important”.
    The good thing is that there is one candidate who has learned his lesson. He has apologized for his past behavior and understands why limited regulation and civil proceedings are necessary for Wall Street. He cleaned up NYC, scares the NYT, and will treat Iran like a squeegee man. The world needs a little “Giuliani Time!”

  42. Posted by J Bradford | December 5, 2007 at 3:58 PM

    The reason so many Ron Paul supporters “flock” to any article or site that mentions his name is because he gets ZERO coverage in the main stream media.
    If he was talked about on FOX, CNN, NBC, etc… as much as Hillary and Giuliani was then there wouldn’t be a need to search for articles on him. But since there is such an obvious bias towards him, and his supporters, this is the only way to promote his candidacy.
    Wake up people – stop listening to the garbage the media is feeding you – and form your own opinion. Instead of wasting time to come on here and bash Dr Paul, use that time to go to http://www.ronpaul2008.com and read his views. It would do you, and the rest of the world a lot of good.

  43. Posted by Lew Dunbar | December 5, 2007 at 4:08 PM

    Bulging Brackets bulge wouldn’t be so big if it wasn’t for “credit being created out of thin air”. Of course he won’t support Ron Paul. Neither will all of the lawyers, government contractors, sycophantic beltway sinecures and others who feast off the teet of a big oppressive government. Their fraudulent, spiritually bankrupt lives depend on it.

  44. Posted by D Arrington | December 5, 2007 at 4:08 PM

    The fact that the MSM blatantly ignores Ron Paul is the exact reason that I chose to check out his stance on the issues.
    What were they trying to hide I thought?
    Well, I took the time to do my due diligence and research his views and record. I would advise any on here not a supporter to do the same.
    His record is impeccable and his views are a strict adherence to the Constitution. No one in this campaign can come close to his integrity and knowledge of the issues facing our country today.
    Voting for anyone other the Ron Paul should be considered lunacy. He, and others like him, are what made this country great. We can choose to continue flushing it down the toilet by electing any of the other candidates – they’re all the same. If we choose to do so, we deserve what we get.

  45. Posted by Mr. M | December 5, 2007 at 4:09 PM

    Democracy is a sham anyway. Meritocracy is the way to go.
    And oh, I think a council of “elders” with JC, Stan, Sandy, Chuck and the rest of the gang with Blankfein as the head honcho should rule our country.
    Well, okay, throw in Taleb or someone else in an advisory role.
    And oh, Maria Bartiromo can play the role of Condi Rice. And John Fitzergald Page gets to be the PR douche.

  46. Posted by Speaker73 | December 5, 2007 at 4:11 PM

    Bulging Bracket:
    I’m guessing you don’t actually sit on a trading desk, pal, because I do (top 5 bank), and I can tell you there are a lot of Ron Paul supporters here. One third to a half of my desk of about 80 people is on his bandwagon.
    And you can’t really argue with the “creating credit out of thin air” argument. What do you think happens when Bernanke cuts rates? He magically increases the value of existing credit. Or a CDO is created from a motley pile of crap and suddenly gets AAA ratings?
    If you actually know a thing about economics, BB, and on Wall Street that is supposed to be something you understand, you should be jumping on the bandwagon instead of bashing his supporters. He is the only candidate with a clue about money, credit, and the economic system. The rest of America may not understand the damage being wrought right now by a spineless Fed, but we are supposed to.

  47. Posted by Sarge | December 5, 2007 at 4:12 PM

    What Ron Paul is offering is the ability of traders and investors to not have to rearrange their portfolios every 90 days on the words of an unelected ‘king’.
    Hard numbers, sound money, makes investing better, not worse.
    Let’s hear it for the Bernake floor dance everyone.

  48. Posted by Speaker73 | December 5, 2007 at 4:13 PM

    Bulging Bracket:
    I’m guessing you don’t actually sit on a trading desk, pal, because I do (top 5 bank), and I can tell you there are a lot of Ron Paul supporters here. One third to a half of my desk of about 80 people is on his bandwagon.
    And you can’t really argue with the “creating credit out of thin air” argument. What do you think happens when Bernanke cuts rates? He magically increases the value of existing credit. Or a CDO is created from a motley pile of crap and suddenly gets AAA ratings?
    If you actually know a thing about economics, BB, and on Wall Street that is supposed to be something you understand, you should be jumping on the bandwagon instead of bashing his supporters. He is the only candidate with a clue about money, credit, and the economic system. The rest of America may not understand the damage being wrought right now by a spineless Fed, but we are supposed to.

  49. Posted by D Arrington | December 5, 2007 at 4:14 PM

    The fact that the MSM blatantly ignores Ron Paul is the exact reason that I chose to check out his stance on the issues.
    What were they trying to hide I thought?
    Well, I took the time to do my due diligence and research his views and record. I would advise any on here not a supporter to do the same.
    His record is impeccable and his views are a strict adherence to the Constitution. No one in this campaign can come close to his integrity and knowledge of the issues facing our country today.
    Voting for anyone other the Ron Paul should be considered lunacy. He, and others like him, are what made this country great. We can choose to continue flushing it down the toilet by electing any of the other candidates – they’re all the same. If we choose to do so, we deserve what we get.

  50. Posted by Wanda | December 5, 2007 at 4:14 PM

    Why can’t these stubborn people accept that there are REAL people out here voting for and supporting RON PAUL?
    Bot? Not!

  51. Posted by Lew Dunbar | December 5, 2007 at 4:16 PM

    Plenty of people on Wall Street make their fortunes because of “credit created out of thin air”. These folks may not be so keen to support Ron Paul. Lawyers, government contractors, war profiteers, sycophantic sinecures and others who feast off the teet of a big oppressive government also logically would be turned off by Ron Paul.

  52. Posted by Wanda | December 5, 2007 at 4:17 PM

    Why can’t these stubborn people accept that there are REAL people out here voting for and supporting RON PAUL?
    Bot? Not!

  53. Posted by Bot meister | December 5, 2007 at 4:17 PM

    I’m just one guy typing all of these post on the net. I ‘mean I can type 9 million words a second…. almost as fast as the accumulating national debt!!!!!

  54. Posted by D Arrington | December 5, 2007 at 4:17 PM

    The fact that the MSM blatantly ignores Ron Paul is the exact reason that I chose to check out his stance on the issues.
    What were they trying to hide I thought?
    Well, I took the time to do my due diligence and research his views and record. I would advise any on here not a supporter to do the same.
    His record is impeccable and his views are a strict adherence to the Constitution. No one in this campaign can come close to his integrity and knowledge of the issues facing our country today.
    Voting for anyone other the Ron Paul should be considered lunacy. He, and others like him, are what made this country great. We can choose to continue flushing it down the toilet by electing any of the other candidates – they’re all the same. If we choose to do so, we deserve what we get.

  55. Posted by Kate | December 5, 2007 at 4:21 PM

    s75. I’m voting for Ron Paul not because he is different, but because he is right with his policies.

  56. Posted by Pon Raul | December 5, 2007 at 4:22 PM

    Goddamnit, this sub-prime mess would NOT HAPPEN if Ron Paul was in the White House. Dr. Paul is the ONLY person who can save America, and if any of you had more than just a bagel for an IQ, you would know that already. Instead, you useless bunch of sheeple are content with the OFFICIAL VERSION OF THE TRUTH instead of finding out for yourself what’s really going on. The truth is, you’re just afraid of what Dr. Paul will do after he is elected and RESTORES THE CONSTITUTION to this country.
    Not only that, but Ron Paul has an eighteen inch boner. You heard me right, I SAID AN EIGHTEEN INCH BONER. Don’t you have any idea what he could do for this country? We haven’t had that kind of cockmeat in the White House since James Garfield, and there’s no telling what he might have accomplished if he hadn’t been shot by that damned frog lawyer.
    You want everything to trade at par? Ron Paul can do that. You want expensive crustaceans for lunch, every single day? Ron Paul can do that. You want that UBS stock bonus to vest ASAP? Ron Paul can make that happen. Not only that, but when Ron Paul is done, Ben B. and his pals at the fed will be out on the street, sucking hobo cock for cash as their only source of income, THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS.
    I came down here to try to educate you bunch of nitwits, but I can tell already that I’m not getting anywhere with you, and your understanding of the truth is about as shaky as Michael J. Fox after a Venti Frappuccino.
    That fucking does it. When Dr. Paul gets elected, every last one of you is going to pay. EVERY.FUCKING.LAST.ONE.OF.YOU.

  57. Posted by Kate | December 5, 2007 at 4:22 PM

    s75. I’m voting for Ron Paul not because he is different, but because he is right with his policies.

  58. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:23 PM

    Only a complete nut would vote for a candidate not named Ron Paul in the 2008 presidential election.

  59. Posted by Kate | December 5, 2007 at 4:23 PM

    s75. I’m voting for Ron Paul not because he is different, but because he is right with his policies.

  60. Posted by Tom B | December 5, 2007 at 4:24 PM

    Ron Paul must win, or we are all lost. This is not hyperbola, merely fact. Make fun of that statement like any ignorant schoolyard bully, but if Ron fails, you will suffer with the rest of us under Big Brother.

  61. Posted by DR. DJK | December 5, 2007 at 4:25 PM

    I am a physician and a surgeon like Dr. Paul and his son, Rand Paul, an Opthamologist.
    Many of the physicians I know are supporting Dr. Paul.
    I have twin sons who are 18 and they tell me Dr. Paul is the favorite amongst
    their friends.
    I live in Ohio, the signs for Dr. Paul are popping up all over the place, not much for other candidates.
    This is BIG…………………………………..
    Not since the Andy Jackson election of 1828 has there been a candidate for the people like Dr. Paul.
    The so-called frontrunners are all warmongers and statists, a presciption we the people have had to bitterly swallow for far too long, it is time for change, and Dr. Paul’s message of Liberty, Peace and Prosperity will prevail.

  62. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:27 PM

    wtf is a Ron Paul?

  63. Posted by mrpink | December 5, 2007 at 4:27 PM

    Wow.. All the hubbub about nothing.
    Find me some Mike’s Hard Lemonade and tell me where the bitches are going to be within the Lehman xmas party tonight. I need to get my Escalade (with the 22′s and the new chrome spinners) ready.

  64. Posted by JayDee | December 5, 2007 at 4:27 PM

    They just can’t allow themselves to believe so many Ron Paul supporters exist.
    They must be “bots” that “spam” polls and they are all “lunatics”, “hackers” and “truthers”.
    They can’t believe it because they must protect the idea that their war is just.
    Nations can not have more rights then the indiviguals that make them up. We can not vote more rights to government then we possess ourselves.. So.. A war is just for a nation under the same circumstances that an individual may go to war, that is to say, a war is just only in the case of self-defence and its quite clear today that Iraq was no immediate threat to us.. all the other reasons Bush talks about.. Spreading “freedom” and protecting our “interests”.. NONE of that is a JUST REASON for war.. if Iraq had no WMD’s then we are in an unjust war, and it doesn’t matter if we win or not, because it will always be an immoral act. The only correct thing we can do is stop immediately and return the country to the Iraqi people.
    … They just don’t want to believe they could have supported a war based on a lie.. they would believe anything to protect that.. but like me.. I had to face reality.. as I was also a war supporter.

  65. Posted by Joy | December 5, 2007 at 4:28 PM

    Ron Paul supporters seem extreme, because they actually support their candidate. If other candidates were honest and voted in-line with their stated positions, then they would have supporters too. The problem is no Republican candidate has had (unpaid) supporters since Regan…we’ve forgotten what passion looks like. Learn something from this group; try looking up the voting records of each of the candidates. I always do before voting and I sure wish everyone else did. Cheers.

  66. Posted by Give-up Agreement | December 5, 2007 at 4:28 PM

    I call BS on Speaker73/4:13. You, sir, do not sit on a trading desk at a “top 5 bank” (does anyone in the industry actually use that terminology?) – unless your definition of “top 5″ includes Wachovia.
    And Pon Raul/4:22 – awesome! If you’re a guy I want to buy you a drink; if you’re a girl I want buy you a bunch of drinks and then take advantage of you.

  67. Posted by Tom B | December 5, 2007 at 4:29 PM

    Ron Paul must win, or we are all lost. This is not hyperbola, merely fact. Make fun of that statement like any ignorant schoolyard bully, but if Ron fails, you will suffer with the rest of us under Big Brother.

  68. Posted by Joy | December 5, 2007 at 4:31 PM

    Ron Paul supporters seem extreme, because they actually support their candidate. If other candidates were honest and voted in-line with their stated positions, then they would have supporters too. The problem is no Republican candidate has had (unpaid) supporters since Regan…we’ve forgotten what passion looks like. Learn something from this group; try looking up the voting records of each of the candidates. I always do before voting and I sure wish everyone else did. Cheers.

  69. Posted by Nemo | December 5, 2007 at 4:32 PM

    [quote]
    Goddamnit, this sub-prime mess would NOT HAPPEN if Ron Paul was in the White House. Dr. Paul is the ONLY person who can save America, and if any of you had more than just a bagel for an IQ, you would know that already. Instead, you useless bunch of sheeple are content with the OFFICIAL VERSION OF THE TRUTH instead of finding out for yourself what’s really going on. The truth is, you’re just afraid of what Dr. Paul will do after he is elected and RESTORES THE CONSTITUTION to this country.
    Not only that, but Ron Paul has an eighteen inch boner. You heard me right, I SAID AN EIGHTEEN INCH BONER. Don’t you have any idea what he could do for this country? We haven’t had that kind of cockmeat in the White House since James Garfield, and there’s no telling what he might have accomplished if he hadn’t been shot by that damned frog lawyer.
    You want everything to trade at par? Ron Paul can do that. You want expensive crustaceans for lunch, every single day? Ron Paul can do that. You want that UBS stock bonus to vest ASAP? Ron Paul can make that happen. Not only that, but when Ron Paul is done, Ben B. and his pals at the fed will be out on the street, sucking hobo cock for cash as their only source of income, THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS.
    I came down here to try to educate you bunch of nitwits, but I can tell already that I’m not getting anywhere with you, and your understanding of the truth is about as shaky as Michael J. Fox after a Venti Frappuccino.
    That fucking does it. When Dr. Paul gets elected, every last one of you is going to pay. EVERY.FUCKING.LAST.ONE.OF.YOU.
    [/quote]
    And this everyone is why people think that Ron Paul supporters are lunatics… If you really feel the need to cuss and rant and rave about Dr. Paul you could at least use your own blog. I’m a supporter of Dr. Paul and will be voting as will my parents, younger brother cousins grandparents, etc… but I brought the msg of Paul to them in a respectful manner because thats the best way to get more support… Ranting and Raving and sounding like Alex Jones shouting at a hotel is not going to help our cause anymore than Dennis Kucinich seeing UFO’s…

  70. Posted by Randy | December 5, 2007 at 4:35 PM

    What is truly defining is how there will be hundreds of supportive messages a few idiots condemning people and Dr Ron Paul for their passion. In essence the minority, those who support and promote corporatism feel alone like they are and it causes them to spew childish remarks.
    Most people when they come to read a message arrive through through web searches, they search Ron Paul, not Fascist web communities which the trolls for Hitlery and other owned politicians sit and spam boards with rhetoric and hatred towards peace and civility.
    In all truth, who in their right mind wants to associate with war mongering fools who support the fascist beliefs associated to the neocon movement. Do the few who complain about people being passionate about freedom seem inviting and worthy of real people;s time, who in their right mind wants to even associate with the shills and peons for more then a moment, you asswipes have no nation and no soul or spirit, it is truly lonely around you shills.
    Realize this, there is huge change coming for mankind and the planet and the useless peons and shills who gobble up fiat crumbs and who have sold their souls to corps(e) will have nothing to vampire societies through such as and like the fiat money scam and all the other rackets they have enacted upon societies around the globe.
    The elites and their shills and peons have a serious wake up call coming, they are soulless and are generally make believe people and all they know and all they do is centered upon causing strife and being deceitful, childish and ever supporting of corps(e) and soulless shills/puppets.
    They are truly easy to spot as they are clearly against sound money, sound leadership and an end to the scams the global elites run upon mankind.
    You peons better wake up or start making your plans to move to your true corporate head quarters in the middle east where a partnership of corps(e) masquerades as a nation and where employees claim to be people or citizens of a country.
    The truth hurts the neocons as well as their masters the global power elite and we understand the work of an elites peon and or a shill involves attacking Dr Ron Paul and his supporters and we are truly praying that your soul and spirit will return and your love for and worship for material and worthless crap will be replaced with a desire to do good upon the earth.
    Now maybe, just maybe, in lieu of you worthless peons becoming material and returning to dirt, you may enjoy the reward of eternal life and live again in a better world that is minus selfish and misdirected peons and shills like yourselves who in concert and in minority, attack freedom and liberty.
    There is change coming and the fascists and the peons for soulless corps(e) need to realize that the inbred asses you all kiss are not going to save your spirit or your soul nor your shell, they own them outright now and you are empty, you gave it all away to those who enslave you now.
    Start to grow a new spirit and come to spirit-filled people in lieu of the soulless corps(e) who welcome you and your desire to deceive others, promote ignorance and be ignorant but in truth, you are the ones who are being deceived. But then again, you all “effin” actors with no morals and truly your opinions and your words are worthless like just like your empty shells.
    I say unto you, the peon asswipes, Wake up, the peace train is coming to your station and all you liars and abettors of evil will soon know what true evil is, it is what you are inside and you destroyed yourself willingly because of your ignorance and now the inevitable universal compensation you truly deserve and will acquire is to come, you can not and will not avoid it, you are so ignorant of it but it is your just reward for selling your soul to corps(e).
    Laugh now and scream later, you will try and get back to the mankind but you traded it and gave your souls and spirits to unkind”men”. Go kiss that inbred wrinkled asses you neocons puppets represent and why not run “Wreckefella” in lieu of putting shills and peons in his place, oh, that wouldn’t work would it.

  71. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:38 PM

    all these ron paul nuts just came out of nowhere huh!! i used to think i would vote for the guy, but i’m almost embarassed to admit that i feel that way and be associated with these guys. look at 4:27. holy crap. when the campaign is over is he going to go back to his vigil at roswell?
    “hackers and truthers” ?? what the hell is that?

  72. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:38 PM

    I’m getting a very bad feeling from all of the above. Hope these loonies are far far from NY.

  73. Posted by Eddie Torres the Extra Testicle | December 5, 2007 at 4:40 PM

    DealBreaker + Ron Paul = all my daily web reading in one place!
    Our business is why the Ron Paul phenomenon is happening. It all started in the finance blogs discussing austrian economics and RP always came up as one who gets it.
    I hope he wins!

  74. Posted by Abracadabra Fagnuts | December 5, 2007 at 4:41 PM

    aww… you guys. enough with the bots stuff. they were from the Ukraine and email only. ‘Ron Paul’ became a popular search item and went viral.

  75. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:41 PM

    4:38 Of course they are. This sort of thing festers only in places where there are underachievers with too much time on their hands.

  76. Posted by DR. DJK | December 5, 2007 at 4:42 PM

    I am a physician and a surgeon like Dr. Paul and his son, Rand Paul, an Opthamologist.
    Many of the physicians I know are supporting Dr. Paul.
    I have twin sons who are 18 and they tell me Dr. Paul is the favorite amongst
    their friends.
    I live in Ohio, the signs for Dr. Paul are popping up all over the place, not much for other candidates.
    This is BIG…………………………………..
    Not since the Andy Jackson election of 1828 has there been a candidate for the people like Dr. Paul.
    The so-called frontrunners are all warmongers and statists, a presciption we the people have had to bitterly swallow for far too long, it is time for change, and Dr. Paul’s message of Liberty, Peace and Prosperity will prevail.

  77. Posted by Ken Houghton | December 5, 2007 at 4:43 PM

    Can’t we get these primaries over with so these people stop littering our dealbroker with moronic, irrelvant comments? Comments should be: (1) lusting after Bess
    [no problem, but why should we tell you?]
    or some Fox Business News hottie
    [FBN broadcaster or Adult Film Star? Need to find that link...or Bess does.]
    (2) ranking on Carney
    [waste of time; he's no Bess]
    (3) ranking on Jimmy Cayne
    [that's JimmyDoobieDoo to you]
    (4) ranking on other CEOs
    [why, because my golf handicap is lower than there's without ever playing?]
    (5) hating on some random douche
    [there are enough above; why do we have to choose?]
    Ron Paul, foe of all those who depend on accurate information.

  78. Posted by Eddie Torres the Extra Testicle | December 5, 2007 at 4:43 PM

    Pon Raul, that is the funniest thing I have read in months.
    Bravo!

  79. Posted by inIT4the$ | December 5, 2007 at 4:47 PM

    damn you people know how to flood a site (RP supporters, that is).

  80. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:48 PM

    @4:38
    47th & Park
    Boogity boogity boo!

  81. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 4:55 PM

    has any one of these ron paul nuts invading DB actually made a point about WHY he is so great? or are we all merely harping on the fact that he has so much loyal support? is this a jump-on-the-bandwagon campaign or a here’s-the-facts-about-my-candidate campaign?

  82. Posted by JP | December 5, 2007 at 4:59 PM

    Please, I’ve been reading DB for months; Paul is a great candidate. The problem is that most of you 30 somethings haven’t seen actual; real; grassroots support for a candidate in your lives.
    Kind of cool isn’t it?

  83. Posted by Lotsabullshit | December 5, 2007 at 5:01 PM

    Well John…..what do you do for an encore? You successfully got a lot of Fucks in the column. And, not a bad word about Maria. Things lookin up?

  84. Posted by Timothy Brice | December 5, 2007 at 5:03 PM

    What about the problems in Sri Lanka….where the seiks are killing thousands of israelis every day

  85. Posted by Anon | December 5, 2007 at 5:06 PM

    David Sugarman from DB Alex Brown Miami LOVES Ron Paul.

  86. Posted by Mitch C | December 5, 2007 at 5:06 PM

    52 year old multi-millionaire here, voting for Ron Paul because I want to keep the money I worked so hard for. Anybody else gets elected, I can kiss it good bye before my children can get it.

  87. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 5:13 PM

    Mr. Multimillionaire: How much of that money has already been taxed? I would bet that if you deduct from your net worth the balance in your 401k plus any untaxed appreciation in yr stock portfolio and real estate holdings, you will find that the result (which is the already been taxed portion of your estate) is well below the $2.5 million estate tax exemption. Plus your children will inherit that $2.5 million in untaxed property at the stepped up basis. Not a bad deal.
    But, as a Ru Paul supporter yr probably not smart enough to figure any of that out.

  88. Posted by Lumbergh | December 5, 2007 at 5:17 PM

    So you’re implying that Ron Paul’s supporters are so uneducated they can’t even use the internet…I bet most of them are from “Middle America”, wherever that is. Is that a third world country?

  89. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 5:17 PM

    Ron Paul is a crackpot.

  90. Posted by shitforbrains | December 5, 2007 at 5:26 PM

    One shit for brains to another Mitch C at 5:06pm consider “being of sound” I repeat “Sound Mind”……spend all you money so your kids can learn to make it on their own. Shit

  91. Posted by Tannim | December 5, 2007 at 5:34 PM

    Hackers, truthers, and bots, huh?
    Yeah, right.
    If we were, why would we be going around to these places posting pro-Paul comments when all we’d have to do is hack into the assorted computers that tally votes in the elections and drop in Easter Eggs so that Dr. Paul wins once they tally, then we sit back and wait until elections happen?
    Nah, that would make sense.
    So all you detractors, who need to get educated and get a life, recognize this: we’re not bots, we’re not spammers, we sure as hell aren’t hackers and we aren’t truthers. We’re PATRIOTS who see Dr. Paul as *the* solution to our national problems, and see the other candidates as simply adding to the problems. We’re not going away, either, and we will continually call you out on your namecalling and your guilt-by-association argumetns that lack any substance or rational thought. Those that do engage is rational thought, as few as you are, we will discuss and prove you wrong where you are wrong and give credit where you are right. You shoot square with us, and we’ll shoot square with you. You act like a jerk to us, and we’ll do that in return, too. You reap what you sow.
    In other words, it’s business as usual on the blogs–they’re either Beautiful Locations Of Great Stuff or Big Loads Of Gunky S***.

  92. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 5:46 PM

    He wants to repeal SOX? What an idiot

  93. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM

    Chuck Norris kicks Ron Paul’s ass. L Craig and Ron Paul are toilet-buddies. Ron Paul is illiterate. Ron Paul has stinky poo. Erin hates Ron Paul.
    Lets see how many crazies this get :)

  94. Posted by bot | December 5, 2007 at 5:59 PM

    thank…you….very….much…Mr. Meboto…
    There are a lot of the supporters. I mean, bots can’t go posting everywhere. Some polls are spammable, but not to main ones. They more accurately reflect the internet vote than classic polls represent the primary vote. Come on, McCain at 15% in NH? Now that’s comedy.

  95. Posted by Bob | December 5, 2007 at 6:02 PM

    “Ron Paul is a crackpot.”
    Well then, so must have been James Madison.
    When people call you names you know they have run out of arguments so you must be right.

  96. Posted by Roy | December 5, 2007 at 6:26 PM

    “Well then, so must have been James Madison.
    When people call you names you know they have run out of arguments so you must be right.”
    I call Hitler a fascist all the time, and since I call him a name his policies must have been the best thing for Germany.
    And before you consider invoking Godwin’s Law on me, alleging a logical fallacy to defend your logical fallacy would most likely cause my brain to explode out of sheer irony so please spare me the trouble.

  97. Posted by Heinrich | December 5, 2007 at 6:31 PM

    Hitler had the right idea. Hopefully Ron Paul can finish what he started.

  98. Posted by Wayne | December 5, 2007 at 6:42 PM

    Ron Paul knows exactly how to fix this country. You pathetic neocon fashests on Wall Street need to wise up! The days when you can rely on fellow members of your tribe in the Federal Reserve to bail you out will soon be over. America will be freed from the bankers chokehold!!!
    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

  99. Posted by Anominous | December 5, 2007 at 6:59 PM

    4:22 Pon Raul-
    absolutely brilliant. get you a case of beer for that one….

  100. Posted by L. Craig | December 5, 2007 at 6:59 PM

    Wayne came over the Bear to throw some punches at the wall st “fashests” (no fucking clue how you get that spelling from fascist).
    I intercepted him and made sweet love to his man-whole in the men’s room. Then relaxed with a blunt and a Mike’s in the executive sweet.

  101. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 7:00 PM

    Ron Paul is a kid-toucher. Deal with it

  102. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 7:07 PM

    Ron Paul once made eye contact with Chuck Norris.
    He has been pissing Mike’s Hard Lemonade ever since.

  103. Posted by Anon | December 5, 2007 at 7:29 PM

    Bots? We never see more than 20 or 30 posts for the sexiest of topics and all of the sudden we’ve got over 100 for a guy polling at 2%. I even caught a 36 year old engineer chiming in on this “wall street tabloid”…can’t imagine this is legitimate…you guys should jump on a bandwagon and deal with the tragic reality that is our Federal government.

  104. Posted by Steven, Even | December 5, 2007 at 8:13 PM

    I hate SOX!

  105. Posted by Fake Karl Rove | December 5, 2007 at 8:14 PM

    Hey! I’d make a good President (King). First thing though is to get rid of elections (after I’m elected of course) because elections are a way for LIBERALS to mess with Amerika. Oops…I mean “America” with a “c” ….so, if liberals are winning some elections, we can defeat the liberals by getting Dr. Leninger in San Antonio to fund a “Swift Framer’s Group” to shit on the Constitution writers and then I’ll get elections banned. If anyone disagrees, I’ll get Novak to come out of his crypt some night and write how whomever that dissident might be has a black baby somewhere and never even was at the Constitutional meetings. Then I’ll get evangelicals to quit spending money on themselves and G8s and help old Fake Karl here with a campaign comparing Thomas Jefferson to Osama and Saddam. Shit fire, the red state citizens will shout “fuck” at the TV when Fox news breaks it to ‘em and they’ll think they’re patriots for getting rid of elections and I’ll be your benevolent King.

  106. Posted by PATRIOT 123 | December 5, 2007 at 8:18 PM

    I am not a bot, I am a pastor in Iowa who feels very strongly about Ron Paul’s Candidacy for president! And if Wall Street has problem with me or what I believe in then they need to learn to deal with it1

  107. Posted by zzquanto | December 5, 2007 at 8:33 PM

    Anon 7:07 – The guy is now polling at 7% nationally, 9% in NH. Your statistics are from last month. I hope your clients don’t mind.

  108. Posted by Joseph Yazdanpanahi | December 5, 2007 at 8:54 PM

    I’m not a bot and think Ron Paul is the only hope for our economy. Only an idiot would think that Ron Paul’s massive support is because of “bots”.

  109. Posted by J$ | December 5, 2007 at 9:21 PM

    Wow, can’t believe I read all that crap. What a bunch of douches.

  110. Posted by bbd | December 5, 2007 at 9:45 PM

    Just read that business week interview. This guy has his shit on straight. Go RP!

  111. Posted by Anonymous | December 5, 2007 at 10:25 PM

    Why is the pastor from IA (@8:18) reading a Wall Street blog. Obviously cause someone got the word out to him to get posting, and fast. This is so creepy.

  112. Posted by We the Sheeple | December 5, 2007 at 10:53 PM

    From the article…

    You want to take the troops out of Iraq, but what about Iran? What do we do if other nations turn hostile?
    I’d treat them something like what we did with the Soviets. I was called to military duty [as a U.S. Air Force flight surgeon] in the ’60s when they were in Cuba, and they had 40,000 nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles, and we didn’t have to fight them. We didn’t have to invade their country. But to deal with terrorism, we can’t solve the problem if we don’t understand why they [attack us]. And they don’t come because we’re free and prosperous. They don’t go after Switzerland and Sweden and Canada. They come after us because we’ve occupied their land, and instead of reversing our foreign policy after 9/11, we made it worse by invading two more countries and then threatening a third. Why wouldn’t they be angry at us? It would be absolutely bizarre if they weren’t. We’ve been meddling over there for more than 50 years. We overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953; we were Saddam Hussein’s ally and encouraged him to invade Iran. If I was an Iranian, I’d be annoyed myself, you know. So we need to change our policy, and I think we would reduce the danger.

    Wow…that is the brightest answer to the current state of geopolitical affairs I’ve ever heard. Not hard to see why this guy has been gaining support.
    But come on..this viral marketing is going to turn just as many people off. Most people are just as smart as you think you are. We don’t need the rants.

  113. Posted by Anal_yst | December 5, 2007 at 11:54 PM

    My god…
    I can’t believe i just read (skimmed) this malarkey.
    But, a few props:
    1. Pon Raul – “…your understanding of the truth is about as shaky as Michael J. Fox after a Venti Frappuccino.” –incredible.
    2. Random pastor from iowa – oooo so if I don’t like your views then I just HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT RAWRRR!???
    What are you a 14 year old girl? I knew middle american religious zealots were dangerous, but making a barely-teenage tramp a pastor, now thats just dangerous now, come on.
    3. If you take Ron Paul, and subtract his idiotic populist ranting about returning us to the gold standard and “creating credit out of thin air” (where else does he think credit comes from, duh?), he’s not really that bad. Oh, and then you have to divide by the square of the # of whackjob unemployed (or if actually employed, barely so) supporters of his, and then, finally when all is said and done, you don’t have a bad candidate at all. Potentially, Ron paul (unlikely) for president?

  114. Posted by Bulging Bracket | December 6, 2007 at 1:26 AM

    We the sheeple….
    y’all need to read more. We all live in Dar ul Harb, we’re all kufar, and can be dealt with at will. Canada has ahd numerous terrorist attacks prevented and has had several jihadis plan attacks on the US (Mohammed Ressam the millenium bomber, for one). Sweden has a serious probelm with muslim immigrants gang raping women and robbing locals, all in support of the jihad.
    But keep up with the racist belief that those brown people have no internal motivation and only react to the white people. Anyone who’s not anglo is helpless in the face of provocation. All of the talk about genocide and globa domination is false. I bet your grandfather (great-grandfather maybe) supported Chamberlain’s agreement in Munich too.

  115. Posted by Joseph Zapnath-Paaneah | December 6, 2007 at 6:23 AM

    I’ve had a dream of how the 2008 election turns out. You money counters won’t be happy.

  116. Posted by JayDee | December 6, 2007 at 6:38 AM

    I think its funny people attack the gold standard as if there is something wrong with having your money worth something.
    As if real money is some sort of archaic relic of the past that they claim “didn’t work” but nobody seems to back that up, or even care to explain, why they think it didn’t work. (ahem, because it wasn’t a real standard, government artificially SET the standard.. and even that was better than we have now.)
    You see people argue up here that we MUST support “the paper standard” or make that the “electronically invisible standard” now days.. what rubbish. Gold is money, Gold will always be money, and it will never be worth zero. Unlike our paper dollar.
    I think the invisible standard and its supporters are absolutely foolish. No system is perfect, but a metal backed (silver) currency is better.

  117. Posted by Anonymous | December 6, 2007 at 7:57 AM

    my God, Matt made ONE post about bots and we get like 100 in return to prove you are not bots? this has got to be the worst campaign of all time. “hackers and truthers” ? i don’t even know what that means. RP supporters keep saying it i assume they are just trying to cast themselves as being persecuted for some reason, but nobody here ever even accused them of it. ron paul has just lost my vote because of you psycho morons. learn to discuss the policy, not mobilize your network to rebutt imagined accusations.
    do you guys even have any idea why your candidate favors a gold standard?

  118. Posted by Anonymous | December 6, 2007 at 8:59 AM

    What does Ron Paul have to do with Mike’s Hard Lemonade?

  119. Posted by AJ | December 6, 2007 at 9:29 AM

    What does Ron Paul not have to do with Mike’s Hard Lemonade is the real question here

  120. Posted by Anonymous | December 6, 2007 at 10:23 AM

    Fucking bots

  121. Posted by Scrooge | December 6, 2007 at 1:37 PM

    Just as Albert Einstein discovered relativity by thought experiments, let us do a thought experiment to examine the rules for our economy. The proposed thought experiment can also be done physically on your home’s dining room table.
    Imagine playing the board game Monopoly with this change of the rules.
    Eliminate the central bank being the only source of loans and mortgages.
    Allow loans between players. Each time a player passes GO he makes an installment payment on all his outstanding loans. Payment size is negotiable with whoever holds his note. The interest rate for all loans is 0%.
    Establish a Real Estate Investment Trust mutual money fund and require each player to make a deposit in any amount each time they pass GO. Keep track of balance accrued for each player. Allow any player who lands directly on Go to decide if the Mutual Fund can buy any property on the board at its face value including improvements if made by another player. The mutual fund has to have sufficient cash funds to cover the sale and the deed is placed in control of the Mutual Fund. The Mutual Fund cannot sell properties it holds to cover the purchase.
    Whenever a player lands on a property owned by the Mutual Fund, the rent paid is apportioned to each player’s account based on relative percent of the account to total fund balance.
    When a player lands on property, he can use his account balance in the Mutual Fund to buy the property, restricted to the amount of cash holdings of the Fund. The Fund cannot sell properties it holds to cover his withdrawal for the purchase.
    The Mutual Fund depositors can vote to hold an auction sale to liquidate deeds held by the fund. Vote rules are each depositor gets only one vote.
    Switch the objective of the game from driving out all competition and leaving only one player standing. The game objective is now to fully develop all properties until all the game pieces representing development are on the board or all the currency is gone from the central bank as it depletes from players passing GO. Create new game pieces to represent movie theaters, factories, shopping malls, or amusement parks to add to the homes and hotels. Play stops when the central bank is empty of currency. Or if you want to continue play, have every remaining player pay a flat tax on all the currency they hold to replenish the bank. No tax on property assets or mutual fund balance.
    There is the possibility for a player or two to go bust during the course of play but in the end there will be several players left. The winner is who has the highest net worth of the remaining players.
    A free economy works rather nicely without a central bank charging interest on the currency issued.
    We really don’t need the Federal Reserve.
    You will appreciate this if you play Monopoly with the rules outlined above.
    The players, not the central bank, are the real wealth definers.
    Break the Monopoly of the Federal Reserve!
    Elect Ron Paul. He will guide us in the creation of new game rules for Our the Peoples economy.

  122. Posted by Anonymous | December 6, 2007 at 1:58 PM

    Scrooge is a bot

  123. Posted by Scrooge | December 6, 2007 at 2:24 PM

    All of Anonymous’s posts display a distinct lack of human imagination and reveal Anonymous to be the real bot, an artificial intelligence created by a computer program that merely takes an excerpt from a comment and spits it back as something original.
    “Scrooge is a bot” is a prime example of a randomly generated artificial response to my challenge to readers to conduct a thought experiment. Anonymous can’t think as the simplicity and dullness of its posts attests. Anonymous has failed the Turing Test.

  124. Posted by JayDee | December 6, 2007 at 3:03 PM

    @07:57 AM “ron paul has just lost my vote because of you psycho morons.”
    heh.. as if he ever had it..
    Sir, I could never convince you to support anyone, you must decide that for yourself, it is YOUR choice but let me tell you whats at stake here.
    You need to decide if you want our government to continue on its path towards a European style socialist democracy, or return to our capitalist free market roots that made this country the greatest in all of human history.
    I don’t speak for Ron Paul, but you can be sure of one thing.. He believes in the Constitution to his very core, and he would protect it.
    So whats it gonna be Jack. Will we form an endless entitlement state, where we continue to police the world and involve ourselves in every minor dispute in 3rd world nations, one were we erode our liberty here at home for our “safety”, and leave our children with a government burden so huge, a debt so great, that they will never shake off? If you like this idea, vote for any of the other major canidates.. is does not matter what one, both Democrats and Republicans will get us there sooner or later.
    ..Or if thats not ok with you, will you tell your government, that bleak future is unacceptable, will you tell them you demand they look after our most important interest first and that is our liberty, you demand they stay out of the affairs of other nations who are so eager to send us to war for them, and you demand they spend wisely and be held accountable for any missing funds in the public coffers.
    Again.. its your choice.. but hurry up and make up your mind.. because, liberty is dying in America and you may never see another candidate like Ron Paul in your lifetime.
    I invite you to do your own research at http://www.ronpaul2008.com and if you do.. you may just find out why it is you have so many responses.

  125. Posted by Anonymous | December 6, 2007 at 3:27 PM

    Ron Paul is a convicted child molester, and he hates freedom. Go away.

  126. Posted by JayDee | December 6, 2007 at 3:46 PM

    See people, those anti-Paul people are the ones that are extreme nut jobs.

  127. Posted by Jeff Smathers | December 6, 2007 at 3:48 PM

    And more ‘bots’ showed up in San Francisco for a republican dinner/straw poll……….
    An on-scene report from Jerry Cullen: “The San Francisco Republican Alliance headed by Gail Neira held their pre election banquet at the Holiday Inn at Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco last evening, December 4th, 2007. The gathering was advertised as a gala affair of loyal Republicans to be followed by a straw poll to select the favorite Presidential Candidate. The featured speaker was Republican State Senator Sam Aanesta (CA 4th SD). The Senator treated the audience to an hour long election pitch for Fred Thompson that cured the insomnia of all in attendance. After endless delays of meaningless trivia the doors were opened to the late comers to the straw poll each of whom had paid $5 for admission. The flood of Ron Paul supporters entered the room to join an already substantial number of Ron Paul supporters that had attended the ‘banquet’.
    “A shocked Gail Neira in consultation with the Fred Thompson Northern CA Coordinator cancelled the straw poll vote offering a series of fraudulent, incomprehensible and incoherent reasons. The result was chaos as more than one hundred Ron Paul supporters objected to the outright deception. Neira’s ratings reached a level of unreality beyond description. Security was called to evict the peaceful if upset Ron Paul followers. When I asked that a picture be taken to attest to security attacking the 79-year-old me, security turned and disappeared.
    (From Lew Rockwell)

  128. Posted by ast4 | December 9, 2007 at 6:29 AM

    You people are ridiculous, Paul has some interesting ideas but others are just completely off the wall.