Downgrade Of Insurers Now More Likely

Wrangling over a plan to bail out troubled bond insurers is inviting a downgrade by ratings agencies, according to source familiar with the discussions within one of the agencies. New York state insurance regulators have asked the agencies to postpone a downgrade while they work out a plan with Wall Street banks but a flurry of news stories have suggested that the participants in this discussion have not agreed on a plan and may be hesitant to fund a bailout.

"The story in the Journal this morning may be the last straw. It shows that there is no plan, and it sounds like not much progress has been made," the source said.

This morning the Wall Street Journal reported that as many of three plans are being discussed. It added that there was no consensus that a plan was even needed or how it would be paid for.

The ratings agencies are concerned about their credibility. They have come under fire recently for failing to spot troubles in the mortgage market and its effect on many derivatives. They are now loathe to be seen holding back at the request of regulators. Yesterday Charlie Gasparino reported on CNBC that a Moody's spokesman had told him "we don't forbear on our ratings" based on talks with government officials.

Also contributing to the likelihood of a downgrade this week has been the lack of involvement by the Treasury Department or the Federal Reserve. New York State insurance regulators do not have the prestige or persuasiveness that higher level involvement would, according to the source.

A downgrade could come this week, perhaps as early as today, the source tells DealBreaker.

Good Plan, but Who Will Pay?
[Wall Street Journal]

Comments

Posted by anon, Jan 30, 2008 11:16AM

rescuing ponzis to support the dollar. i love it.
simple fact is, we need these companies saved, because everyone was playing the same game. the only delay for the infusion is that the insurers are holding up ok - this week.

Posted by Friendly Corner MD, Jan 30, 2008 12:00PM

Carney...please just stop writing. You are terrible at it.

Posted by BayAreaGuy, Jan 30, 2008 12:07PM

Here's an original thought: the NY regulators could threaten an investigation of the ratings agencies as to why they waited so long to downgrade the Big Shitpile insurers -- in order to "encourage" them to wait even longer! Makes as much sense as the Ponzi scheme they're trying to head off...

Posted by Carter Pewterschmidt., Jan 30, 2008 12:35PM

You can't group all the monolines together.

Posted by , Jan 30, 2008 12:48PM

go back to work MD; what are you an english teacher?

Posted by NSD, Jan 30, 2008 1:54PM

Why worry about a delay in the downgrades? Everyone knows that you only downgrade when the horse is already out of the barn, just ask any sell-side analyst.

Posted by , Jan 30, 2008 2:03PM

Carney, apparently your girlfriend Meredith Whitney wrote a note yesterday that UBS Citi and Merrill together bear 45% of the market risk to monolines out there. Obv this is a huge number.

Since CIBC sold Oppenheimer 2 weeks ago or whatever I no longer have a relationship with Oppenheimer so sorry I can't provide the note, I haven't even been able to get hold of it yet

Posted by s75, Jan 30, 2008 2:10PM

oh and @1:54 you worry about downgrades because all of a sudden another round of AAA bonds has to be marked down 5%, 10%, whatever. based ont he aggregate risks insured by this industry that is a tremendous number for a banking system that has already gone across the planet to scrounge up more cash

Posted by , Jan 30, 2008 3:16PM

pfft whatever, meredith went to brown

Posted by John Carney, Jan 30, 2008 5:20PM

MD: Suck it.

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