Opening Bell: 1.24.2008

societegenerale.jpgFrench Bank Finds $7.14 Billion Fraud (AP)
These days, a loss of $7 billion at a major bank is hardly anything to get excited about. It's all in a days work. But this time it's different. At Societe General, a single trader is said to have been responsible for more than $7 billion in fraud. This sounds like a story that will take some time to unpack, because it's still not totally clear what's happened. Evidently, he used his knowledge of the bank's security systems (a little odd) to conceal his actions, which involved a scheme of "elaborate, fictitious transactions". Though apparently they weren't so fictitious that they didn't cost the bank money. Anyway, trading in SG shares has been suspended and, this is rich, the trader apparently tendered his resignation, which was accepted. Good chance the trader has more pain coming to him. WSJ has more. and AlphaVille liveblogged the conference call, which sounded like a mess. S[eaking of messy conference calls, did you see that SLM boss Albert Lord apologized for his behavior on that call last year? Too bad. He should've stuck to his guns.

Leeson for sale, before he goes on holiday (to Paris) (FT Alphaville)
Not surprisingly, the real winner of this Societe Generale news is Nick Leeson, the man who's name is synonymous with rogue trading. His losses were lower than this, but he had the bad luck of winding up in a Singapore Prison. The man's turned himself around over the years and last we heard he was working for a football (soccer) club as a GM or something. Anyway, word is that he's going to charge more than £1,000 per interview. That doesn't seem like very much.

Asian Markets Mixed After Dow's Rebound (AP)
After the US staged a dramatic reversal of fortune, the good kind, not the bad kind, the rest of the world turned in a mixed performance overnight. Some markets were up, while others were down. That's what we like to see though. Markets moving in lock step, either up or down, are always a bit scary -- sort of like lockstep soldiers walking over a bridge. Always good when they break things up a bit and do their own thing.

Next on the Worry List: Shaky Insurers of Bonds (NYT)
Apparently there are these companies called bond insurers and apparently they play a big, under-appreciated role in the economy. And supposedly they've taken on too much risk and may collapse, resulting in untold calamity. Have you heard of them? Probably not, cause they're the next worry. Something to watch out for though, for sure.

Wal-Mart Chief Offers a Social Manifesto (WSJ)
It's sometimes hard to tell with Wal-Mart whether its various eco-friendly initiatives are all about appearance or something bigger. The company obviously knows how to read the tea leaves and best position itself politically. But it's also done interesting things. In a new initiative, the company said it wants to reduce the energy used in developing its products by 25 percent. This is interesting. On the one hand, it's very Wal-Mart to try to squeeze every last bit of efficiency out of something. It's also possible that all they'll end up doing is shifting that 25 percent to some other party that goes unmeasured, which wouldn't really accomplish anything. And of course it's possible that the whole thing is lip service. Still, we're more optimistic about initiatives to reduce energy consumption than most efforts at changing where we get our energy from.

Alternative Asset Managers and Down Market Cycles: What to Expect (Information Arbitrage)
Roger Ehrenberg offers some interesting analysis on what to expect from hedge funds and their ilk during a prolonged market downturn. His take: not good. Most managers that are supposed to be able to play any direction by going short don't know how to do the short side as well. Their alpha evaporates in this direction. Definitely worth a read.

3 Prior Market Crashes (Big Picture)
An eerie chart comparing the latest downturn to some previous crashes. You have to see it for yourself, but the gist is that this could be just the beginning. Though past performance may not mean anything.

A Writer Comes to Davos (Dealbook)
Apparently at Davos, you get laughed at if you're a writer and not involved in business. With any luck, this will be the last year of that nonsensical event.

Comments

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 7:41AM

first

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 8:05AM

I just have to say, some of the comments emerging on the Tobias posts are truly disturbing

Posted by Luc Francois, Jan 24, 2008 8:36AM

C'mon, Dealbreaker, who is the rogue trader?!?

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 8:47AM

this socgen news is great
please post more

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 8:51AM

my office is all a-twitter over it

yes, that is pretty gay

Posted by Anal_yst, Jan 24, 2008 9:12AM

trade of the day: Short frog legs, long Jim Chanos

Posted by London Banker, Jan 24, 2008 9:13AM

soc gen trader, cia fallman. Brilliant planning on the part of the agency but still too little too late to keep the truth of the matter from unravelling.

Posted by anon4life, Jan 24, 2008 9:13AM


Sacre bleu!

Posted by London Banker, Jan 24, 2008 9:14AM

soc gen trader, cia fallman. Brilliant planning on the part of the agency but still too little too late to keep the truth of the matter from unravelling.

Posted by JorgeCad, Jan 24, 2008 9:18AM

No way that SocGen loser was alone. Others are involved. Inspecteur Clouseau??

Posted by YvesStLaurentAteMyBalls, Jan 24, 2008 9:33AM

His name is Mint Jelly cuz hes on the lamb

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 9:34AM

arrogant surrender monkeys finally managed to screw up

Posted by Anoninonino, Jan 24, 2008 9:38AM

I bet Brian Hunter is pissed at losing his crown.

Posted by Ken Houghton, Jan 24, 2008 9:41AM

Can't put on by the NYT. Good to know they're so sharp.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 9:42AM

PARIS - French bank Societe Generale SA Thursday identified the trader responsible for the 4.9 billion EURO loss it unveiled earlier in the day as Jerome Kerviel.
Mr. Kerviel, 31, joined Societe Generale in August 2000 and was working as a trader on the futures desk at the banks headquarter near Paris.

Posted by ken, Jan 24, 2008 9:42AM

PARIS - French bank Societe Generale SA Thursday identified the trader responsible for the 4.9 billion EURO loss it unveiled earlier in the day as Jerome Kerviel.
Mr. Kerviel, 31, joined Societe Generale in August 2000 and was working as a trader on the futures desk at the banks headquarter near Paris.

Posted by Ratings Man, Jan 24, 2008 9:51AM

60% of precincts reporting give Alexis Glick the lead in getting the best and most substantive interviews from the lovefest in Davos. Hope to God this is the end of the (BS) World Economic Forum. There is nothing going on there that couldn't be done on satellite and save somewhere between 39,000 bs 43,000 dollars. Remember this year no bargain corporate jet flights in and out of Davos for the sneakies.

Posted by Noonan, Jan 24, 2008 9:53AM

the rogue was pulling down less than 100,000 euros a year in total comp.

Posted by G. Gekko, Jan 24, 2008 9:59AM

Doesn't it suck when your trading model is off by a negative sign?

Posted by anonymouse, Jan 24, 2008 10:03AM

this kerviel dude has a facebook profile, someone should check it

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:06AM

@9:34 Surrender monkeys? With all your big talk, why aren't you in Iraq, asswipe?

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:15AM

10:06 shove your chickenhawk bullshit up your ass

Posted by WDE, Jan 24, 2008 10:16AM

Je suis un arbitrager de turbo...

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 10:22AM

I love when jr. bankers start beef with each other. Someone needs to call Tiger in to settle 9:34 and 10:06. Maybe Leeson?

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:24AM

Credit Suisse supposed to swing the axe today.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:26AM

9:34 and 10:06 will be space docking each other by noon

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:26AM

What's there to beef about? It is common knowledge that french men are pussys and full of shit

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:27AM

zounds!

Posted by A nonny mouse Euro Hedgie, Jan 24, 2008 10:31AM

@10.06 "chickenhawk"??? LMAO

@rest
Gotta love them Parisians....
Pay a trader rubbish and you get rubbish. They never learn...

interesting that the loss is many times the one that destroyed Barings, and yet all they do is dump some more shares on idiot US banks, who lap it up, and hey presto "no impact on credit rating"....

I wanna know when the risk manager gets sacked.... hes the idiot that missed it all.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:32AM

@10:15 You got it wrong. I'm a guy who always thought this war was wrong and that's its gotten as far as it has only because the children of the rich are totally uninvolved. I'm with Rangle: bring back the draft. That will end it good and fast. A chickenhawk is a hawk that sends others or other's children off to war and stays home and waves the flag, usually by affixing a yellow magnetic ribbon to thier suv or a flag pin on their lapel. Or criticizes the french, as did 9:34, for not participating.

Posted by Noonan, Jan 24, 2008 10:39AM

@10:32

It's fine to be against the war and all, but at least be informed about the composition of our military, and the military history of the French.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:48AM

Do tell, Peg, what is the composition of the US military? Yeah, there is that ex-marine Harvard educated Goldman energy trader who writes inspiring opeds for the WSJ now and then. He's very much the exception though. Its actually poor people serving as cannon fodder.

One of the best moments of the campaign was when Romney was asked why none of his strapping sons was involved in Iraq, given his supposedly strong support for the cause. One of the few times I've seen him loose his cool. I think he shit his pants.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:51AM

French Military History in a Nutshell

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War: Tied.

War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

American Revolution: In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting".

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion: Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare -"We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Eskimos.

War on Terrorism: France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:54AM

What about Tilman, who declined million $ football contract to fight in Afghanistan?

Besides, no one likes Romney, so why bring him as example? At the end, French are stinky pussies!

FYI: cant serve in Iraq as I'm not a US citizen

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:56AM

Tillman plus the Goldman guy. Two people out of 160,000. You gotta do better than that. I repeat: poor people serving as cannon fodder.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 10:58AM

No one likes Romney? He's the darling of the hard right, who despise McCain and no longer have Thompson to support.

Posted by AJ, Jan 24, 2008 11:01AM

How did this turn into a debate about Iraq? I hate you people.

Lets focus on how the hell a low level trader pulls off $7 bln in losses

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 11:09AM

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Iraq, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, blah, war. blah, blah, blah, blah, cannon fodder.

blah. Now go get lunch for yer bosses, you sissies.

signed,

bob loblaw

Posted by Hey, Jan 24, 2008 11:11AM

Gotta love Manhattan - can't even make a French joke without someone coming to their defense. I'm glad that it was a productive debate that helped to convince people and no use of rhetorical fallacies whatsoever.

How do you get losses of $7B??? Training index futures? According to Alphaville, he was hiding his WINNINGS in 07 and they only turned south this year, especially when they were massively unwinding the position in the past few days. So we have an explanation for the panic selling in Europe - idiot French traders don't know how to unwind a position.

Even if you have a huge, huge risk - or perhaps ESPECIALLY when you have a huge, huge, unauthorized position - you don't screw your own position. Take a few days or weeks, use all sorts of counterparties, clearing houses, market centers...

Any of the gunners want to take a guess as to ho much of the losses were CREATED by the geniuses at SG doing a panic unwind? If they were only worried about les gendarmes, I'd expect them to keep the positions open and mitigate the losses. Did somebody think they'd look better by acting like idiots and losing all the firm's money instead of keeping the conspiracy going for a few weeks and get out unscathed?

Posted by Noonan, Jan 24, 2008 11:16AM

Mikey Moore, er, I mean Anonymous nincompoop.

First of all, it's Danny Noonan to you.

It's actually not just poor people serving, and you are actually a fool. Since you are too blinded by your preconceived notions to even try a Google search, I've done the heavy lifting for you:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/demographics.htm

and

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm

You are aware that military service is voluntary right? And that parents can't force their children into service? While Romney's comments about his kids was a disgrace, there are several children of other Republican leaders that are in the services.

Posted by anom, Jan 24, 2008 11:17AM

cuz he works for a french bank.

Posted by Chris, Jan 24, 2008 11:18AM

anon 10:54 - Excellent!

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 11:19AM

this is how... ha, ha. The only good thing to come out of France was Marc Dorcel.

www.risk.net/public/showPage.html?page=685494

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 11:20AM

this is how... ha, ha. The only good thing to come out of France was Marc Dorcel.

www.risk.net/public/showPage.html?page=685494

Posted by Chris, Jan 24, 2008 11:21AM

anon 10:54 - Excellent!

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 11:27AM

this is how... ha, ha. The only good thing to come out of France was Marc Dorcel.

www.risk.net/public/showPage.html?page=685494

Posted by Tom Cruise and Seth Tobias Were Lovers, Jan 24, 2008 11:33AM

this is how... ha, ha. The only good thing to come out of France was Marc Dorcel.

www.risk.net/public/showPage.html?page=685494

Posted by Bugs Meany, Jan 24, 2008 12:03PM

Yes, I'm sure the left will be thrilled if they bring back the draft, just like during Vietnam.

Oh, wait.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Jan 24, 2008 12:06PM

Yes, I'm sure the left will be thrilled if they bring back the draft, just like during Vietnam.

Oh, wait.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 12:17PM

@12:03 That's the point. People were angry big time about Vietnam, because they were being asked to participate. In the case of Iraq, very few have skin in the game, so everyone keeps shopping. There's not even an attempt at any shared pain, say by asking us to conserve a little oil. The reason is that this administration knows that there is no reason for this war and therefore dares not ask one ounce of sacrifice from the general public. They were counting on it being a quick little adventure - remember "mission accomplished" - and now its turned into a mess. And spare me the "surge is working" crap. Its six years now, somthing should be working.

Posted by inIT4the$, Jan 24, 2008 12:21PM

Hey retard at 10:31 way to pay attention

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(BN) *MOODY'S DOWNGRADES SOCIETE GENERALE'S RATINGS TO AA2/B- FR

To Aa2 from Aa1. Outlk stable
BFSR to B- from B and moved outlook to negative.

Fitch downgraded to AA- earlier and S&P moved to wneg (AA)


OUTLOOK STABLE!!! LOOKS LIKE A GOOD DOWNGRADE..

That came across the tape at 10:18am

Posted by Bugs Meany, Jan 24, 2008 12:51PM

The draft didn't prevent Vietnam, and yet people think bringing it back will turn us into Switzerland.

By the way, why aren't lefties signing up in droves to go to Afghanistan? I thought they were fully in favor of that war.

Posted by Noonan, Jan 24, 2008 1:07PM

@12:17

dude, take your shit over to dailykos where other like minded idiots actually care. You are embarrassing yourself.

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 1:35PM

Energy efficiency has been time and time again proven ineffective in curbing demand. As efficiency goes up, consumption rises faster.

Posted by Anominous, Jan 24, 2008 2:07PM

10:51-

you kind of left some stuff out, but that was pretty f--ing funny.

the world would be much less fun without the French. they are also more resourceful than is generally believed; cf Sarkozy bagging Carla Bruni.

Posted by Escargot, Jan 24, 2008 6:09PM

without the Frogs in NY , how can we enjoy any haute cuisine ? 8pm at Le Bernardin anyone ?

Posted by , Jan 24, 2008 6:16PM

@1:35 That's why there should be a sufficiently large carbon tax, with the revenues dedicated to improving public transit.

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