Bond Insurer Bailout Failing Fast

The odds for an industry-wide bailout of bond insurers are getting very long. A senior investment banker familiar with the bailout discussions tells DealBreaker that many of those involved have concluded that any bailout would be "unwise, unnecessary or ineffective."

'There's been a real loss of faith in the idea of a coordinated rescue," he said.

Even if the bankers and regulators were to eventually come to a consensus on the bailout, it is likely to come too late to save insurers from downgrades. This is why MBIA, the company whose fate has been at the center of the bailout negotiations, has now moved to sell $750 million of stock. It is not at all confident that help is coming soon.

Meanwhile, pressure is mounting at the ratings agencies to downgrade the bond insurers. As more reports emerge about the bailout failing, holding off on downgrades becomes less attractive. The ratings agencies are very aware that the widespread impression that they are holding back on downgrades is further tarnishing their already dimmed credibility.

In another sign of trouble for the bond insurers, prominent banking heads have been talking about how well positioned they are to deal with a ratings downgrade. Today both JP Morgan Chase's Jamie Dimon and Deutchebank's Josef Ackerman went out of their way to talk about how their banks are well prepared for a downgrade. This high level talk of the effects of a downgrade of bond insurers indicates that there is little confidence an effective rescue plan can be put into place. And the reassurances that downgrades will not cause major turmoil is a sign that many senior bankers do not feel an urgent need to organize a bailout.

Comments

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 10:54AM

Can "The ratings agencies are very aware that the widespread impression that they are holding back on downgrades is further tarnishing their already dimmed credibility." be substantiated without citing crazy nut bloggers who know nothing about finance?

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 10:57AM

and where exactly is this alleged "pressure" mounting from? i doubt any of the powers that be with the juice to apply pressure are enthusiastic about the idea of further downgrades of the monolines.

is this pressure from the court of blogging opinion?

Posted by HAM'05, Feb 07, 2008 11:05AM

most hilarious thing ive seen is wrapped subprime auto deals trading at a greater discount than unwrapped issues - wonder how long it takes to filter through to munis

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 11:10AM

Don't trade in a space where you don't know all the facts or you will get burned.

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 11:11AM

MBIA first announced this equity offering in December, in conjunction with the Warburg Pincus investment. The difference is that it will now be $750 million instead of $500 million.

Posted by Rozzie, Feb 07, 2008 11:29AM

10:54 & 10:57 --- is Bill Ackman a crazy nut blogger, including his 100,000+ pages of supporting documentation...

bush league comments....

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 11:34AM

@ Rozzie you want bush league comments? how about equating the public opinions of the most prominent short seller of these companies making noise with legitimate pressure for the rating agencies to downgrade them?

don't be such a sucker and don't believe everything you read buddy.

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 11:49AM

n00b

Posted by Bill Hackman, Feb 07, 2008 11:53AM

Anon @11:34
Hmm... sounds like someone went long a monoline. Care to explain why you think the monolines will survive? "Too big to fail?" went out of style around 2002 ...

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 07, 2008 11:53AM

"Feet to fire, at any rate, I’m saying were I running money, I’d be long a little bit of Cisco call options into the earnings report tonight. I’m not running money anymore though, so take it for what it’s worth."

http://codywillard.com/2008/02/06/dont-bet-against-the-cisco-kid-into-earnings

Cody Willard doesn't run a hede fund anymore?

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 07, 2008 11:55AM

Considering that comment (and many others he's made), the fact that he's not running money anymore is not exactly a huge surprise...

I wonder if him & Sykes meet up for drinks @ mantasia on tuesday nights

Posted by help, Feb 07, 2008 12:02PM

Anyone with access know what monoline debt is trading for? I would assume it's already trading below AAA paper, correct?

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 07, 2008 12:04PM

Whatever happened to Ron Insana?

Posted by lol mantasia, Feb 07, 2008 12:16PM

take me to ur heeedge fund

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 12:18PM

@12:02 im not sure cash is even trading but MBIA AAA 5y CDS is about 360 bid if that helps you, the AA is 14+500

Posted by a-man, Feb 07, 2008 12:21PM

Bess - you're cheating on us with Gawker?!

http://gawker.com/5002927/in-which-a-disillusioned-financial-blogger-is-drafted-for-fashion-week

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 12:35PM

Bess i can't tell you how gratifying it is that you have used my comment at 1:07 almost verbatim in your gawker article

http://www.dealbreaker.com/2008/02/revenge_is_a_gefilte_fish_best.php#comments

Posted by Pain Trade, Feb 07, 2008 12:57PM

MBIA's recent 14% Surplus Notes issue is trading around $90 (~17% Yield, AA-rated). It was issued at $100 less than a month ago (Jan. 11) and traded as low as $70 about a week later. Clearly not in the same league as what most sane people would consider "AAA paper"

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 07, 2008 1:19PM

Bess that gawker piece almost touched me...deeply (to the point of actually commenting on the gawker page itself)

Posted by s75, Feb 07, 2008 1:24PM

Uh, you have a gawker login? Can I borrow it?

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 2:20PM

s75 bess I can't believe you didn't mention being a mouthpiece for gay pimp Billy Ash in your gawker article. would that have made the job sound too glorious?

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 8:27PM

I am always the quiet warning on this little blog telling you not to bet against MBIA --- and look what happened tonight.

Posted by , Feb 07, 2008 10:55PM

anon 8:27: "and look what happened tonight"- you mean highly dilutive, well below market offering increasing the shares out by 65% that caused the stock to drop $1.20 from the close? Wow, glad I wasn't short into that, thanks for the warning.

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