Chelsea Clinton Slams Avenue Capital’s Health Care Plan!

Posted by lift all the offers, Feb 12, 2008 10:33AM

I am shocked, shocked, shocked by the subtle, yet barely perceptible implication here that Chelsea is whoring herself out to help her mom become president.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:36AM

would you hit it?

Posted by Joe Smith, Feb 12, 2008 10:37AM

Ok, so she can actively campaign for her mother, make speeches and stump but the press can't criticize her?
Hilary DID pimp her out, we just can't say it.

PS I've seen her in person in Union Square and regardless of my politics, she is one fugly chick.

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 10:37AM

the reason she is not happy with her health care plan is because Avenue, unlike Goldman, does not cover sex change operations.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:41AM

Sounds like she's proposing a free market solution here. The kind of thing that's usually red meat for the DB fan base. What's the problem here guys? You still sore that Giuliani imploded?

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:41AM

If you don't like their plan, go to CANADA and experience their shit health care.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:42AM

@10:37 i do not usually say this but LOL

Posted by self loathing, Feb 12, 2008 10:49AM

I'd hit it. I wouldn't want to talk about it later, but I'd get in there.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:52AM

@10:41, how can you even mention socialized healthcare and free market in the same sentence?

Posted by lift all the offers, Feb 12, 2008 10:53AM

@ 10:41 How is the congressional plan a "free market solution?" The free market solution is that Chelsea can peddle whatever skills she has somewhere where she likes the plan.

Posted by To The Hilt, Feb 12, 2008 10:53AM

you guys do realize that the secret service is going to kill you, right?

Posted by Eye on Government, Feb 12, 2008 10:55AM

You all better hope to God Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in on Jan 20, 2009 or you can kiss your ass goodby. This country is so fucked up now it seems sometimes only GOD himself can straighten it out.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:57AM

The Huffington Post did a good write up on Chelsea's disdain for Avenue's health plan about a week ago. ("California: Chelsea Clinton Mines For Votes")

It sure is ironic.

Posted by Jimmy Olsen, Feb 12, 2008 11:00AM

Carney,

You should call some of your friends on a syndicated loan desk and find out what the hell's going on.....

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:03AM

Carney,
I agree with Jimmy. it's crazy.

Posted by John Carney, Feb 12, 2008 11:05AM

JO: What are you hearing? Give me something to build on and I'll go find out what I can.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:06AM

Hillary to the rescue.

http://www.rense.com/general80/hopes.htm

Posted by just me, Feb 12, 2008 11:09AM

If she has health issues her plan doesnt address, is she really fit enough to be out campaigning? Shouldnt she be home resting?

Posted by Woof, Feb 12, 2008 11:11AM

She would win Westminster Kennel; her mother is past Champion

Posted by Mr., Feb 12, 2008 11:14AM

Hillary is toast in OH/Tex.

Bill will be bangin interns again after she loses

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:14AM

Let me give you an example here of how you could be covered and unhappy. Last job I had offered a low cost plan with a high deductible but paid 100% for an in-network annual physical. This was perfect for me, single male, early 30s, healthy. Current job has much more limited choices, so I'm in a much higher cost plan with a lower deductible. I'm paying for more health care than I want.

Posted by DerivativeSpread, Feb 12, 2008 11:16AM

What does she do for Avenue anyway?

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:17AM

shes an "Analyst". Isn't that what we all do?

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 11:21AM

She is just like her bitch ass ugly wailing mother.
She says she is not happy with her plan. living in the state of new york, she can buy her own individual plan, from empire blue cross, oxford or any other insurer. what is she complaining about. she also can wait till she gets sick to buy it, because of the NY state, and many other states', law that they must provide insurance to everyone, no matter what state of health they may be in.
After bitching about not being happy with her plan, she quickly switches to the 100m americans with no health plan. big diff there chelsea. they are not in the same boat as spoiled-bitch-daughter-of most loathsome-couple(?) on earth, who got a job by a hedge fund so marc lasry can pull some connections.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:22AM

11:14 I thik you are "misinformed". Barrack and his facial boil shouldn't even bother to show up in either of those two states. I'm no fan of Clinton, but I can read polling data. Nice try though. At least you didn't claim you were some sort of Ron Paul "KKK" loon supporter. Why do you think Clinton is really worried.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:25AM

@11:22 Agree. Heard that the Obama supporters are the Starbucks drinkers, Hillary's people drink Dunkin Donuts. Many more of the later.

I drink Starbucks but value substance. Won't go near Obama.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:25AM

@11:22 I meant to say "isn't" worried. It's too early to type and proofread.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:25AM

@10:41, do you really know anything about the healthcare system in Canada? You should stop repeating bullshit anecdotes and do some research. What is wrong with every persons in this country being able to obtain medical services without worrying about cost?

Posted by HAM'05, Feb 12, 2008 11:26AM

id def hit it but only if she had her makeup done like mr bojangles

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:27AM

Barrack and his crew will get the last laugh, 11:22. It's very likely he'll take OH at least...

Posted by DIck CHeney, Feb 12, 2008 11:28AM

Do you think Chelsea takes it in the ass?
I might actually dig her if she likes anal.

Posted by Hillary Supporter, Feb 12, 2008 11:28AM

I am a farmer in Iowa and I want to live the American homeowner dream. I took out an interest-only option arm and I don't know what those word mean. The broker said I would be able to refinance later to buy more corn to plant and would be rich because homeownership is the best path to wealth and my corn sales are not going up too much higher.

I am voting for Hilary because she can save this country by freezing my mortgage payments forever or else I am going to walk away from my house.

Posted by Hillary Supporter, Feb 12, 2008 11:29AM

I am a farmer in Iowa and I want to live the American homeowner dream. I took out an interest-only option arm and I don't know what those word mean. The broker said I would be able to refinance later to buy more corn to plant and would be rich because homeownership is the best path to wealth and my corn sales are not going up too much higher.

I am voting for Hilary because she can save this country by freezing my mortgage payments forever or else I am going to walk away from my house.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:35AM

Looks like homegirl has had a bunch of work done on her face.

Meh, I'd still hit it.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:36AM

not understanding this Obama thing. Seems like a lot of style, no substance.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:37AM

the dude abides

Posted by Athletic Supporter, Feb 12, 2008 11:41AM

I am an analyst on Wall Street and I want to live the American dream, so I worked hard, did well in school, and got a good job. I educate myself about the big decisions I have to make in my life so I can make an informed decision instead of listening to whatever anyone will tell me. I also take responsibility for my actions instead of blaming other people or the government.

I am voting that all the gimmick posters shut the hell up because they're not convincing anyone.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:42AM

so? that gonna get him elected against McCain?

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 11:44AM

@11:35
looks to me just like heavy make up and hair straightening.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:44AM

11:41 - I think 11:29 was meant as a joke

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:45AM

11:41 The reality is that you got that job in large part because you're a white male that looks good in a suit.

Posted by The Stranger, Feb 12, 2008 11:49AM

"The dude abides". Shuush. I take comfort in that, knowing the dude is out there taking her easy for all us sinners out there.

Posted by Jimmy Olsen, Feb 12, 2008 11:51AM

Carney,
More CLOs hitting triggers and going into liquidation. From what I hear it's really hurting everyone and wiping out some smaller players.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:52AM

he is doing the "I am a preacher from Iowa..." ron paul bit.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:53AM

Do Canadians complain a lot about their healthcare system?

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:55AM

Do Canadians complain a lot about their healthcare system?

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 11:56AM

11:53 - Agreed. Where the hell is Calgary? He get laid off?

Posted by Anominous, Feb 12, 2008 12:03PM

muni market also seized up yesterday with some ST new issues priced to yield 12%. CDO unwinds have euro CDS at record wides. bank loan market is black swaning again. feedback effects all over the place.

it is f-ing nuts out there. but Warren Buffett has offered to reduce the profitability of the monolines' only viable business, so everything's ok I guess. definitely good for +200 on the DJIA....

Posted by Living the Dream, Feb 12, 2008 12:04PM

I'd tap that ass twice. That way I don't have to look at her.

Posted by Jesus Quintana, Feb 12, 2008 12:09PM

I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man....me and Liam, we're gonna fuck you up, man.

Posted by Finn, Feb 12, 2008 12:10PM

@11:22

Yes, the facial boil remark really brings home the wisdom of your theory that Obama should not even bother to show up. A boil that can largely be offset by Hillary's thick ankles and hideous ugly, Obama's greater funds, young voters, advertising, strength among male voters, momentum and assorted other factors.

Hillary has to be praying to Jesus (not the deity, the hispanic men of same name) to vote for her by a plurality. And I would imagine eventually hispanic voters are gonna get annoyed with this "You are in my pocket" mentality that the Clinton's also imagined they had with black voters.

If it were winner take all perhaps you don't show up and worry about your boil. Since these things are proportional, you show up and ignore whimsically wrong commenters who read polling data yet ignore polling results and actual reality.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 12:14PM

Finn: The reality is that the Woodstock generation feels good about Obama, in the same way they felt good about Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, Gene McCarthy. It goes on and on. Black's feel good about him because, well, because he's black. Together, there's a spark of movement here. Nothing more. The guy has no substance.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 12:21PM

See Leon Wisseltier, last page of this weeks New Republic on Obama. Argues that his passion is directed towards the simplest of causes.

Posted by Finn, Feb 12, 2008 12:32PM

@12:14

A spark of a movement halfway to the delegate goal.

And the comparisons to Tsongas and Hart... gosh, I didn't realize that they too had been tied or leading in the delegate count goal in their day. Forgive me (or you) for ignorance.

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2008 12:46PM

Lay off Chelsea. She's doing her best. She didn't ask to be the progeny of Bill and Hillary. I think she has a nice figure.

Obama's got the momentum, no question about it. He's smart and appealing. But what does he mean by shouting "Yes, we can!" all the time. Yes, we can get ourselves all worked up shouting slogans we don't understand! And working for change. Everyone's ready to work for change, even though the end purpose isn't defined.

If only ending the war, protecting the environment, and achieving a health care solution were as easy as putting together a collegiate audience for an Obama stump speech.

Posted by lift all the offers, Feb 12, 2008 1:03PM

@12:46 I'm sorry, I am not an Obama supporter, but I don't see how Hillary claims solutions to your listed issues. Ending the war - she voted for it. Protecting the environment - what exactly are her environmental credentials? Health care solution - her 1993 effort was roundly rejected and imploded under the weight of lawsuits around her secret task force.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:04PM

@12:46

At least he opposed Iraq war from the start which killed 200K+ Iraqi civilians, displaced a few million and 4000 marines, unlike Her Royal Clinton.

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2008 1:11PM

Chelsea's a whore

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:12PM

isnt it true that Chelsea's BF's dad is in jail or something

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:17PM

even the most leftist anti-war websites have iraqi body count way way under 100k

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:24PM

Finn @12:32 Read carefully. The comparison with Hart et. al. is with regard to their appeal to the Woodstock generation. The other half of the equation is that Obama's is black, which makes for a coalition that Hart et al couldnt match. I repeat: he's all style, no substance. A guy that makes suckers feel good.

Posted by Anonymous @ 12:46 pm, Feb 12, 2008 1:27PM

Hey! What made you jump to the conclusion that I thought Hillary Clinton could end the war, protect the environment, and achieve a health care solution? If I thought things were that simple, I'd be an Obama supporter!

I personally think Hillary is going to have a very difficult time getting nominated, let alone win the general election. Frankly, I think the Dems are going to go with Obama.

Nothing is going to get done on the war, the environment, or health care without a broad, across-party-lines consensus in Congress. Don't mean to be a pessimist, but don't see that happening very soon. As I said above, I don't think Hillary is going to get into office, and if she did, she'd be stopped by all the Hillary-haters.

If Obama gets elected, I don't think he'd have a realistic clue as to how to get any of it done.

Did you think that just because I objected to people being mean about Chelsea I was all for Hillary? Nope. Just didn't like the meanness.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:27PM

@1:04 doesn't take much guts to oppose the war when you're a state senator

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:32PM

@1:04 thanks for clearing that up. "Only" 100,000 dead. That's comforting. Thanks however for acknowledging the 2M refugees, which are a factor in the current stability. There are just so many fewer people to participate in the factional killings.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:32PM

i'd do chelsea, but i'd be imagining she is her mom the whole time

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 12, 2008 1:33PM

We're f&cked either way, hillary or obama. btw, I gotta joke for you kids (heaven forbid):

On hillary's 1st night in the white house, she sees the ghost of George Washington, and asks him what she can do to make the country great. He replies, "Do not lie", "eek," says Hilldog, "I don't think I can do that".

Next, she sees the ghost of Thomas Jefferson and asks him the same question. "Listen to the People," he says. "Wow, I really don't want to do that", says the Hillary.

Next, she sees the ghost of Abe Lincoln, and asks again, "what can I do to make this country great?".

Abe's response is delivered quickly:

"go to the theater"

Posted by Big Ben, Feb 12, 2008 1:34PM

We really need to get off the "bush-clinton" merry go round. It's obvious chelsea would not be working at a hedge fund if it wasn't for her last name. Since health care is FREE for all our blood-sucking politicians, I'm sure she's covered under her mother & father's plan to begin with (not to mention her employer) so what is she complaining about? Slick Willie is still a perv.

Posted by Funnier than Anal_yst, Feb 12, 2008 1:39PM

hillary shaved her pu**y the night before the debate.

She goes up to the podium and says "read my lips. no more Bush"

Posted by Finn, Feb 12, 2008 1:43PM

@11:22/12:14/1:24

You said "The reality is that the Woodstock generation feels good about" Obama".

The Woodstock generation is how old now? Let's see... born in 1948, 20 years old in 68, 30 in 78, 40 in 88, 50 in 98, 60 in 2008.

Yep, YOU need to read the world closely. From the polls you so closely understand, that Woodstock generation is nearly senior citizens now and leaning towards Hillary.

If you just don't like the guy, say so,but repeating things about boils or voters for him being suckers does not a point prove. In fact, nearly every candidate on both sides have put their policy positions out there in print and voice. But when making speeches, day after day, that's how you put people to sleep.

But let's agree to disagree and see what reality proves.

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 1:53PM

excellent joke @1:39
top notch, good form

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 1:53PM

Agree to disagree. But to clear one thing up, by "Woodstock generation" I mean shorthand for what was derided during the Tsongas campaign as "brie eating Volvo drivers". The subset of affluent liberals that you find in places like Park Slope, Upper West Side, Westport, Montclair, Cambridge. The ones David Brooks wrote about in BoBo's in Paradise. The point (not mine - its written about a lot) is that such people were never much of a voice, but combined with the minority vote are now part of a potent coalition.

Posted by Anominous, Feb 12, 2008 1:59PM

politics aside, Obama has picked people who are running a pretty d-mn effective campaign. not consistent with someone who is "all style and no substance."

Posted by Ramblin' Wreck, Feb 12, 2008 2:05PM

@11:25 (who was @10:41)

Why does everyone think universal healthcare = free healthcare? Its just not true...

Higher taxes to pay for it, increase in costs because hospitals, etc. know they can get away with charging more (just look at all the Medicare fraud), and a decrease in quality of care because doctors don't go to school for 10 years to get paid $70,000/yr and because the lines will be ridiculous (Post Office anyone?).

I don't want a damn helicopter government coming to "rescue" me from imaginary ills.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 2:23PM

What you're conveniently ignoring is that once you take into account the deductibility of employee paid health care (which represents a subsidy from the govt to your employer), plus the fact that the government pays directly for medicare, medicaid, veterans benefits and prescription drugs, a very large portion of health care expenditures are already govt paid. Yet those benefits are not distributed in an equitable way.

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 2:28PM

@2:23
you're an imbecile. sounds like you're reading off the hillary song sheet.
Govt doesnt "pay" for medicare etc. I PAY.
i get chunks of my pay and bonus taken off as a TAX.

Posted by Finn, Feb 12, 2008 2:36PM

@1:53

Yea I see what your saying about that "type" of voter and the Woodstock mindset/prototype, and whether that will ultimately hold up.

I would probably add that it's the people who lack subtance more than the candidates (in that people will follow anyone who can speak well, whether a Bill Clinton or an Obama), unfortunately.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 2:37PM

Can't we just send all the poor people to Canada and have a 1-party White House led by Ron Paul?

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 2:38PM

dude: I have a feeling that if the healthcare that your employer presumably provides you wasn't tax deductible, your employer wouldn't be give it to you. So, despite your protestations, the government is in fact paying in large part for your healthcare.

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 2:41PM

so the govt is "paying" b/c its tax deductable?

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 3:00PM

Rumor has it there are pictures of her drinking an AZT cocktail.

Posted by WTF, Feb 12, 2008 3:02PM

THIS GODDAMN SITE IS BECOMING AN ETCH-A-SKETCH FOR ANONYMOUS. The site is in bad shape because of no screening....it'll die if someone doesn't stop the unnessary HORSESHIT.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 3:04PM

Thats what happens when you share your bed with a mongoloid.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 3:07PM

WTF You must know this, but in case you dont, the issue here is the business model, which encourages quantity of hits, quality be damned.

Posted by pierre, Feb 12, 2008 3:08PM

chelsea's a carpet muncher

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 12, 2008 3:10PM

Canada has a 4-tiered health care system.

The first system is the public system.
The second system is the public system if you have connections.
The third system is the pseudo-private clinic system for elective procedures (this system is essentially useless for anything "substantial" that a user might require)
The fourth system is where we use our credit cards in the US in places like Rochester, Houston, etc, etc.

Overall, it is really a case of being able to jump the queue... and one's ability to do that is generally dependent on connections within the system. It is relatively easy to become marginalized in the Canadian system, simply due to the effects of bulk throughput. You need to be just as much an advocate for your own care as you do in the US.

That all being said, in past discussions with my doctor buddies and remembering that I live in one of the wealthiest jurisdictions in North America, the last thing you want to do (at least in this province) is get sick, because then you have to start playing a very demanding game.

@11:56 - Thanks for your concern. I was out of the office negotiating Anal_yst a job (err...market hedge...) as a welder up in the oilsands.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 3:13PM

WTF...I blame the Jews.

Posted by Shylock, Feb 12, 2008 3:17PM

@ slimjim: I will buy with you, sell with you, talk with you, walk with you, and so following; but I will not eat with you, drink with you, nor pray with you

Posted by Gin&Tonic, Feb 12, 2008 3:18PM

Longest Non-Ron Paul thread ever?

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2008 3:21PM

WTF: I think there's at least five people posting using "Anonymous." However, your comment that "this site is becoming an Etch-a-Sketch for Anonymous" was funny.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 3:23PM

Shylock, the only time i would even consider talking to you was if i need advise on a divorce because we all know it is mandatory for all jews to be married at least twice. No morals.

Posted by Shylock, Feb 12, 2008 3:25PM

so typical of a goyim. while the chosen people run this country we'll let you cut our lawns

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 3:35PM

@3:18 - See 2:37

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 3:36PM

Much as you may believe otherwise, its my observation that the chosen people have peaked. Know that expression, shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations? You guys are already being usurped by Asians. Its nothing to wonder or worry about and I intend no malice. Simply the way of the world.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 3:44PM

@3:36 simmer down charlie. The jews will always have the media and the banks. Thats why obama will not win. Jews hate the black man.

Posted by Shylock, Feb 12, 2008 3:46PM

once again slimjim reveals himself for the idiot he is. Jews disproportionately marched for civil rights in the south in the 1960s. Joe Lieberman, for example. And as thanks yankel rosenbaum was killed in a pogrom by 20 urban youths

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 3:47PM

Further to my comment @3:36: as supporting evidence I point to the number of MOT friends' children that are in film school, all with the blessings of and bankrolled by their parents. Not sure how many Speilberg's the world is ready to absorb.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 3:51PM

@3:46 Yankel is more the exception than the rule. Its been my observation that Jews are among the biggest racists in the world. Though they would never admit it in polite company.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 4:01PM

Look up snake in the grass and you get the great jewish man. All polite and nice to your face but see them on the weekend at a WAWA and they looks at the cashier like he is crap becasue he is not one of the gang.

Posted by I'm a dude, Feb 12, 2008 4:08PM

Wawa???
you must be from jersey.
reminds me of a great joke.
why is everyone in lower Manhattan always so depressed?
because the light at the end of the tunnel is new jersey.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 4:24PM

@10:41(2) - I'd say all of those folks in the U.S. who are underinsured or uninsured might disagree with your assessment of Canada's system. But then again who cares about the plebes anyway, right? All they do is spend their dollars at Walmart to drive the economy for those of us who have premium health insurance.

Posted by slimjim, Feb 12, 2008 4:26PM

Better dead then red. you commie.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 12, 2008 5:52PM

@ 3:36, etc:

While you observe Jews have peaked, I'd like to point out the enormous number of non-Jew families in which the parents are extremely successful (i.e. moving up the curve), while the children are more-or-less f'ups floating through life.

This is not a specific religion issue, but rather a parenting one.

Oh, and @ Calgary, hows that Syncrude deal lookin bro?

Posted by Random Banker, Feb 12, 2008 6:13PM

Anal_yst:

What parenting are you referring to exactly? Turning your kid into a total head case? I mean I grew up with a lot of jewish friends, some are "successful", most are not. I'd say indian and asian parents are better at brow beating their children into "success" but they're all head cases too. All those high expectations ruins more kids than the Catholic Priesthood.

P.S. This statement is in no way intended to be antisemitic and is merely an observation.

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 12, 2008 6:24PM

Canadian healthcare sucks, unless you have connections. Then it's meh. Tier 4 is the best - paying cash at Mayo Clinic etc.

Posted by Drunk on Mike's, Feb 12, 2008 6:33PM

@ Random Banker - Maybe not anti-semetic, but definately anti-catholic

Posted by Random Banker, Feb 12, 2008 6:45PM

Yeah, I'm an atheist. If I thought there was a such thing as evil then organized religion would be it.

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 12, 2008 7:13PM

@Anal - $165/hr all-in. Then subtract your F-350 dually welding truck, meth, pot, coke and Carhartt expenses. Your new friends in the Hell's Angels await...

@BB - I forgot Tier 5. It's Tier 4 but with free value-add because your nerd friends from high school who now have a PhD, MD or MD/PhD and are working state-side help sherpa you or your family member through to the right people. It's just horrific to then find out that the Canadian system won't accept said double-board-certified MD/PhD back home without requalification. WTF?

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2008 8:27PM

Bulging Bracket -- You might be interested to know that the Mayo Clinic supports universal health care.

Posted by , Feb 12, 2008 10:15PM

Avenue Capital to Chelsea Clinton: Go Fuck Yourself.

Posted by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2008 10:26PM

Obama and McCain win Maryland and Virginia primaries. Obama takes the lead over Clinton in the delegate count. Just heard Obama give his stump speech ... again. Time to get new material, Senator, or we are going to get very tired of hearing that it's never wrong to hope in America.

On the other hand, I'm definitely not down for another 100 years of war in Iraq.

Which way to go? Naivete or ossification?

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 13, 2008 4:25AM

@ CS - well my tier 2 connections mean that I know enough to sherpa my own way through, but my friends who interned at Mass General can always be called if I really need to deal with crap. Apparently if the family business built half the hospitals in the province, you have reasonable connections. I wouldn't know about the orphaned MDs - those who went to the US ended up coming home, and having daddy run the relevant specialty apparently helped get their accreditations. Shocking.

@8:27 I don't care what they have to say about policy. Mayo is a decent place to get treated. Universal healthcare gets them soo much business it isn't funny. If you want to know how well UH works, talk to a doctor who works in it and see how many would encourage their kids to become doctors. No one I know wants their kids to become docs. A few did, but hardly any outside of two families of neurosurgeons. None. I'm family friends with the board of 3 hospitals and all of their senior staff (building hospitals and other stuff). Nobody will let their kids become docs in Canada - if they're smart enough they can easily make 10x+ doing anything else.

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 13, 2008 4:31AM

Yes I do mean 10x+ Senior doc will maybe (maybe, maybe, maybe) make 300k. Plastic who isn't elite Toronto plastic might make 500k (more likely 300 but could possibly hit 500).

Even a decent senior accountant or lawyer can make a few million a year. Someone with actual talent.... Obviously Canadian healthcare sucks given the quality of people that it can attract.

Posted by , Feb 13, 2008 10:00AM

@10:26 Like the typical empty suit, he has no new material.

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 13, 2008 12:55PM

@BB - If it's been in the last 5 years, I wouldn't be surprised if your MGH friends interned alongside my MGH friend or are/were on a first-name basis. There are only so many ex-hockey player, bearded, Canadian, 30-something uber-doctors affiliated with Hahvaad.