Hillary Clinton Doesn't Think You Are Doing Real Work

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:18AM

cunt.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:20AM

what is a "hedge fund dealer" ?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:21AM

She wasn't not too good for our campaign contributions I notice.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:22AM

Its like a car dealer. You want into their shop and they try to sell you hedge funds, dummy!

Posted by Random Banker, Feb 20, 2008 10:26AM

Jim Cramer says shit like that all the time. If you're 27 and make $600k and meet some one who's 55 drives truck and makes $50k at least have the god damn courtesy to patronize them by telling them they do "real work".

Posted by GinNTonic, Feb 20, 2008 10:28AM

Hypocrite: Someone calling anyone who works in finance the spawn of satan, but willing to take every one of their only taxed at 15% dollars.

Posted by AJ, Feb 20, 2008 10:32AM

Hillary has lost... can we never mention her again?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:33AM

this is why we should've voted for Representative Dr. Ron Paul

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:34AM

this is why we should've voted for Representative Dr. Ron Paul

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:35AM

The only blister that almost any guy on Wall Street gets is working in his garden during the summer in the Hamptons. Or dealing with all that rope their gay lover ties them up with. At least that's what the rest of the USA knows is true!

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:37AM

well, we will have to deal with her again in '12 when she tries to win the nomination of her party again to take down big Mac, or dr representative ron paul whom i assume all the ron paul nuts still think will rise from the dead

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:38AM

Yet the rest of the blistered USA has no qualms about turning up with a begging bowl at the doorsteps of Wall Street to provide healthcare to their illegitimate offspring and to keep their sorry selves alive when they are all old and wrinkly and have nothing saved to live on.

Funny.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:41AM

Given her fantastic success in derivative speculation in the 90's, she can be excused for thinking it's that easy for the rest of us, too.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:44AM

can someone please suggest the best hedge fund dealers on the street? I want the good shit. 2 and 20 bro, know what im sayin, dawg?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:52AM

Herr Ron Paul! Es ist Zeit für Rache! Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten!

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:53AM

@10:37 If you're expecting a McCain win you are going to be disappointed this January. Assuming McCain even lives long enough to make it to the convention that is. Why else is Huckabee even still around...?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 10:55AM

She is one of the leading causes of male homosexuality in the United States

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 11:03AM

Who is going to stop him in a general election, Barak Obama? That guy's whole campaign is a mirage. He says he stands for change but his entire platform is just more of the same parlor trick giveaways that Democrats promise every four years. How does Obama's self-professed idea of "change" square with his positions? He wants to protect the status quo of problem entitlement programs and even increase them and the burden they lay on younger Americans. The only thing that would change with Obama is the color of the face of the pandering politician promising tax credits and pie in the sky programs.

McCain on the other hand is widely regarded even by Democrats as authentic, intelligent, wise, and a Great American. He is a man many Democrats can vote for. On the other hand, no Republicans will be crossing party lines to vote for Obama. Obama's only hope would be a strong independent conservative option running in the general election. And that is looking less likely every second.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 11:14AM

I hold John McCain in high esteem. I think he has more integrity than any other candidate who has run during my years of voting eligibility. However, I can't bring myself to vote for four more (or 100) years of war.

Please don't bring up Ron Paul.

Posted by merkin capital partners, Feb 20, 2008 11:41AM

To Hillary the only people who've ever done real work are Karl Marx, François Noël Babeuf, et al.

Posted by BSD, Feb 20, 2008 12:04PM

Can someone please explain the advantage to Avenue Cap of retaining Chelsea who, along with her mom, repeatedly assaults them? I know Clinton's have plenty of wealthy friends, like a certain Canadian banker with a passion for mile high dalliances, but is it really worth the continued humiliation? Or do they think this is a hedge against extermination should Hillary come to power? Sorta like wealthy Jews being friends with Hitler as a hedge against the Final Solution...

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:11PM

Hillary Clinton is a Cunt.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:20PM

I would rather have 4 more years of war than higher taxes

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:23PM

@12:11 yes, already established that in the 2nd comment, let's move on.

Posted by lemmerdeur, Feb 20, 2008 12:23PM

Cattle futures, anybody? Perhaps James Blair wasn't really working when he made ridiculous and highly suspicious profits for the Clintons time and time again.

It's funny when you bite the hands that fed your gaping political gullet for decades, and then suddenly they refuse to feed you anymore.

(be quiet, my case is resting)

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:37PM

@12:23 and everybody else. And Carlyle Group hired Bush 41 for his brains... Please. (and yes, Slick Willy is greasing the trough too).

DC is filled with whores and criminals - either way we're *all* gettin' screwed. Can't we all just get along - against the Commie Chinks and the Russians like we all once did back in the good ol' days.

@12:20 Where do I send your enlistment papers? Put up or STFU! Didn't think so...

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:49PM

@12:37 your comment to the guest at 12:20 betrays a very weak mind. maybe you could produce an argument above the level of your average high school freshman.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:50PM

I am putting up by voting for more war and lower taxes, biyatch.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 12:58PM

I am putting up by voting for Congressman Doctor Ron Paul

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:00PM

I'm still reeling from the comments that call for more war and lower taxes.

How do you think wars get paid for? The bill eventually comes due.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:07PM

Did you know that if Bush had just kept discretionary spending flat from the time he took office we would have a budget surplus right now? That's with fighting the same war the same way.

Typical jackass thinking that the only way to pay for things is with higher taxes rates, instead of higher tax receipts from wise economic policies such as lowering taxes and not spending money on ridiculous social programs.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:11PM

sorry *other* discretionary spending outside national defense

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 20, 2008 1:18PM

I'd hafa agree with 12:37, either way we're all f@cked up the poop shoot (and yes I realize slimjim's rss reader is gonna pick up that)

Posted by lift all the offers, Feb 20, 2008 1:28PM

Ricardian equivalence.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:38PM

The New York Times published an article on the cost of the Iraq war on January 17, 2007. Its figures were based on various economic studies which were referenced in and linked to the article. The Iraq war, up to that date, had cost $1.2 trillion. The original Pentagon estimate when troops were committed was $50 billion.

The $1.2 trillion figure doesn't include the cost of the 2007 - 2008 surge, long-term medical or disability costs for wounded military personnel, or the costs to the nation of the skyrocketing price of oil. Nor does it include inevitable and necessary post-war efforts to re-equip the armed forces.

Now, just one simple question: who pays for all that?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:44PM

As always, rich americans pay for it with their taxes, and businesses pay for it with their taxes, and the difference is made up with foreign borrowing.

But I agree with you @1:38, we should really be doing a better job of extracting a rent from Iraq to finance the war on terror instead of just policing the place for free.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 1:45PM

Entitlements (which Bush unfortunately added to, with the drug benefit) will bankrupt this country faster than any war.

No matter who wins in 2008, the real pain begins in 2010. That's when seats in Congress will be awarded based not on how many citizens live in a given state, but how many "residents." Hence the mad dash to turn the INS into one big Democrat recruitment office.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:46PM

@1:38, What once again was the total cost of 9/11? I will not even go into the human cost / market dislocation etc etc. Just the plain and simple instantaneous financial cost?

And lets say some other president had spent, lets say even $200B to prevent that thing from happening, instead of focussing on cigars and fat chicks, do you thing it would have been worth it?

I dont know. Why dont you tell us?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:47PM

Not just rich americans but middle class americans too.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:53PM

I'd rather my hard earned money be used to kill some terrorist than support, feed, provide healthcare to homeless Latresha who, at 20 and with 5 illegitimate children, seems to think she has some god given right to my money. Or to feed and provide entertainment in jail to 5 of her baby-daddies so that they can work-out and then kill, steal and terrorize people more.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 1:56PM

@1:46 A reading of the 9/11 report shows that during the summer of 2001 there were credible threats, noise even of possible planes crashing into buildings. Who was in power then? Your hero, the cokehead, who was up until 9/11 intent on running a small bore presidency, focused basically on lowering taxes rather than ideas and solutions. A more focused and engaged State Department could have prevented 9/11.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:02PM

@1:53 The sad truth is that feeding and providing healthcare to the Latresha's of the world, while morally questionable, is not a very expensive endeavor. Dream on if you think reducing such programs will make a dent in the defecit. The entitlements portion of the budget is in reality not that big. If even 20% of entitlements are true waste - is that possible?? - you still have a small number. Besides, there's a multiplier effect. That money gets pumped into the economy. Its not like Latresha burns it.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 2:05PM

One had 8 months, one had 8 years. 9/11 happened because bin Laden, having seen the non-reactions to Khobar Towers and the U.S.S. Cole, realized that only a mass murder on American soil would awaken the sleeping giant. (Yeah, Reagan did the same with the Beirut barracks and Pan Am 103. But there was this other little war going on at the time.)

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:13PM

awaken the sleeping giant into attacking Iraq... Just what bin Laden wanted.

Read the 9/11 report: those were credible warnings. Don't know how Condi can sleep nights.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 2:13PM

@ 2:02: Have you bothered to learn about this topic at all?

"Under the projections shown here, outlays for those entitlement programs[Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid] would rise from 8 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) today to 21 percent in 2075, which would exceed the share of GDP now absorbed by all federal revenues."

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdoc.cfm?index=3521

Take 2007 GDP, assume a modest 2% annual increase, and that's over $53 trillion in 2075. 21% of that is over $11 trillion. It's hardly a "dream" to think entitlements are more than just a few extra dollars here and there.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:20PM

Bugs: which of those programs is Latresha collecting under? None of them. We're talking grandma here. You gonna make her starve? Especially after she paid into social security over her whole working life. I agree, lets get some reform, but don't let those programs be denegrated like 1:53 did by implying that they are 100% money down the drain. By the way, reform would recognize that we should be running surplusses at this stage, in order to cover those defecits down the road as the population ages.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 2:28PM

She's not being covered under Medicaid right now?

Current grandmas can get back the money they put in, sure. Future grandmas should be allowed to keep their wages and fund their own retirements.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:31PM

Slimjim likes 10:52 toget on his knees while they watch Ron Paul do his thing

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:35PM

@1:56 "A more focused and engaged State Department" should have been developed during the prior 8 years instead of allowed to atrophy by Billary and and administration that completely ignored the middle east for 8 years

Posted by Matt_m, Feb 20, 2008 2:35PM

@1:56 said - "A more focused and engaged State Department could have prevented 9/11. "

So what you are saying is that Gore lost the election in Nov, and then laden woke up and decided the America needs to be attacked.

So over the next 8 months, he created the plan, put it into action, moved all his terror cells into the country, got the pilots trained and finally pulled it off.

ALL in those 8 months. If only Bush had been more attentive.

Here's a lesson. Remember the bombs in toothpaste and lotion plot that the Brits foiled a couple of years back? Guess how they did it? They did not all of a sudden hear 'noise' that an attack was imminent and started busting people. They were tracking these people RIGHT FROM THE START. When they realised that the plans were advancing, they came in and took them down.

Guess who was in power when bin laden was thinking the whole thing up and setting up the sleeper terror cells? Guess again.

Or wait a minute. Are you suggesting that the whole thing was bin laden's revenge for Bush 'stealing' the election from Gore. Oh my god.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:37PM

@2:02 you know the entitlement programs are over 1/3 of the entire federal budget at this point, right?

Posted by Matt_m, Feb 20, 2008 2:39PM

@2:02 said: "Besides, there's a multiplier effect. That money gets pumped into the economy. Its not like Latresha burns it. "

Genius! So the most 'multiplicative' thing to do would be 100% taxation. Then ALL of EVERYONE's money would get pumped into the economy and that would be like super.

Right?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:51PM

Matt_m i think the correlary you are looking for is if the tax rate on the middle class and up was 100% and that money all got redistributed to the homeless and the welfare mamas

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 2:53PM

i think i would vote for John Carney if it was an option.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 3:07PM

@2:35 Bush didn't have to be attentive for 8 mos. That would have been too much to ask for from an ex-cokehead. He just needed someone to pay attention in the summer of 2001 when credible warnings were being heard about planes crashing into buildings. A point that you choose to ignore in your various rantings, no doubt because it points squarely to the fact that your hero is a looser.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 3:13PM

I'm guessing that guest 2:02 ("The entitlements portion of the budget is in reality not that big.") buys into liberal dogma that the budget is apportioned thusly:

-10%: Bibles.
-10%: Super secret government profit-sharing plan for white people.
-79%: Racist missiles and bombs that go straight for brown people. (No other country or region, certainly not all of Europe, benefits from our military spending.)
-1%: Feel-good programs to placate the hippies.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 3:15PM

My youth pastor in Idaho told me that Ron Paul would have caught those airplanes with his scrotum and used it like a slingshot to fling them back at the al Qaedas in afghanistania and that is why I am voting for the Reverend Ron Paul.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 3:21PM

@bugs Hahahaha

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 3:25PM

Bugs: you're what I would call a big talker. I encourage you to type less and instead have your children join in the fun in Iraq.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 20, 2008 3:31PM

Aren't we past that? I thought the hot new argument-ender was volunteering other people's children for waterboarding.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 3:54PM

Bugs: its only an argument ender because its so perfect. If you are in fact so committed, lets see you put some skin in the game. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air. I loved seeing Romney confronted with the same question: why are none of his five strapping sons in the military, given his hawkish views. Priceless...

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:00PM

@3:54 since you are so dedicated to taking things to the extreme to prove your point, why don't you take all your wealth and salary and donate it to the homeless and elderly? because that is the obvious extension of your "argument ender"

seriously, grow up, reductio ad absurdum stopped being convincing in 8th grade, which is about the intellectual level you are operating on.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:04PM

SO guest@3:54,

I believe that given that McCain himself suffered immense torture and his son just came back from Iraq (and he never trumpeted that) and that the McCain family has been serving for 4 generations now, you will take his word for what it is and vote for him? Over a Chicago phony who gives speeches saying he will attack 'anyone anywhere' in retaliation, who will nuke Pakistan but himself never had the gall to join the millitary?

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:10PM

why are there only two positions on this? either waterboarding is torture and should not be used or waterboarding is not torture and so it is okay? i think waterboarding is obviously torture, and i'm okay with that.

yes if my son was a terrorist or a spy in a foreign nation and got caught and tortured, it would suck but that's what happens to terrorists and spies.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:13PM

Somehow all the terrorists have come down with a case of classic American entitlement! Oh we should be able to do whatever we want, blow up your buildings, behead your consultants (okay I have known some consultants who deserve such treatment) but if you catch me, I HAVE RIGHTS dammit. How dare you pour water on my face. I wish death to all your children but it is completely unreasonable for you to put out your cigarette on my eyeballs.

Posted by Matt_m, Feb 20, 2008 4:14PM

guest@4:00,

Nice bitchslap. Ha ha. A beer on me bro.

Posted by Cov Lite, Feb 20, 2008 4:28PM

By freezing foreclosures as Hillary proposes, we let the terrorists win.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:30PM

Only another chickenhawk would consider that a bitchslap. Doubly chickenhawkish, cause it came from behind the anonimity of a keyboard. I don't want an answer. Just ask yourself how you can be truly committed to the cause if you refuse to put any skin in the game. Romney just mumbled when asked that question. He may also have shit his pants - I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by Matt_m, Feb 20, 2008 4:35PM

Cov Lite, though you may think that is a joke - it might be frighteningly close to reality.

So you think that the USSR lost the cold war and disintegrated because they did not have a large enough army or sufficient weapons? I think they still have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

What took them down was their economy. They crazed socialist ideas drove them close to bankruptcy and they could no longer support the massive socialist fraud that they were perpetuating. And yeah, they had it all. Universal healthcare (no matter how shitty), minimum guaranteed wages (no matter if people even had jobs), massive community housing projects - you name the dream Democratic ideal and they had it.

Unfortunately it didnt lead them to anywhere. If the US economy crumbles, you sure as hell can bet that the terrorists have won!

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:35PM

That same line of reasoning used to drive the college Republicans crazy. Once they got sober, that is.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 4:40PM

dear god.

"If you want to know how America got it's great middle class, how we got fair wages, how we got benefits and a shot at the American dream, it's because of unions," she said.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 5:01PM

You can say dear god, but the reality is that that quote is going to reasonate with the guy in Ohio whose workplace has been shuttered. Or one with a good job but whose employer is loosing in the battle to remain competitive. You and I know its because of globalization, and not something any union could have prevented. But its still a vote getter.

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 5:16PM

@4:30 said - "Romney just mumbled when asked that question."

I call that out as a blatant LIE. More so because this certain statement of Romney's was on the Daily Show. Romney did not mumble. He said that his son's were adults who would make their own choice's in life and he could not force them to do something. I hardly see that as a mumble.

He did follow that up with a retarded comment about his sons working for his campaign which was utterly stupid.

All the same, he is no longer the candidate. McCain is. And I doubt you (or any in you line of candidates) can hold a candle to him. So I am assuming, again, that you will vote for him!

Posted by guest, Feb 20, 2008 5:25PM

Do you remember a few weeks ago when db did a poll on Presidential candidates? 33% of the readership went for Obama, the most for any one candidate. Now that we're down to one candidate vs. one candidate (almost), I'll be interested to see how a new poll reflects readership opinion.

The majority of Americans want out of the Iraq war. We've never defined our objectives in this war, and don't know what we're struggling to achieve. The military is having a difficult time recruiting new soldiers. The Iraq war is costly to the nation as a whole. No one has ever successfully demonstrated a link between the Iraq war and 9/11, though the Bush Administration would love to.

I've never been sold on Obama. However, I just don't see what more of the same war policy is going to do for us.

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 20, 2008 7:28PM

These politics threads are the most useless on the site. But boy do they get the post counts up.The really sad thing is how we only see the same arguments from both sides as you see on all the other sites in the universe.

Don;t let the Hillary defenders drag you off topic - stay on the isnanity, vileness, and hypocrisy of her statement. Par for the course with any Clinton - just see Chelsea's attacks on her own health care plan.

Posted by Bugs Meany, Feb 21, 2008 9:55AM

Sorry, had to leave the fray early yesterday.

@ guest 3:54:

>>> "Bugs: its only an argument ender [the chickenhawk card] because its so perfect. If you are in fact so committed, lets see you put some skin in the game. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air."

It's an argument-ender only because it precludes any rational discussion.

If you're a typical lefty type, I'm guessing you still (claim to) support the war in Afghanistan. So are you commenting from a barracks in Kabul? I bet you'll reply by making a distinction between a war of necessity and war of choice, but an IED in Kabul isn't any less dangerous than one in Baghdad.

Do you have to join the police force if you believe in taking a hard line on street crime?

Posted by guest, Feb 22, 2008 2:04PM

Being the First Lady for eight years and a Senator from a state in which you've never lived IS real work.

How would her job have been harder had she lived in NY before she ran?

I'm no Hillary fan, but this is really stupid.

Posted by guest, Feb 22, 2008 2:11PM

She claims to have 35 years of experience. So she is counting every day since she graduated law school as real experience.

Obama has a 20 year record of public service. Hillary has 8 at best.

Posted by To The Hilt, Feb 22, 2008 2:29PM

@ 2:04:

No, you're stupid, stupid.

What does the difficulty of a job have to do with its realness? Do you think being an investment banker is an EASY job?

Perhaps the definition of "real" here as Hillary is using it should have something to do with adding value to society, which we rich white men (bloodsucking leeches, all of us) certainly do not do.

Now, I don't want to start an argument over the value to society of your average i-banker or hedge fund honcho, but I'm just thinking that Hill-dog is saying unless you are a prole-worker that your work isn't real; that it is instead a theft, an exploitation of those who dig holes and lift heavy things. It is those people who are doing the REAL WORK!!

Wrong. Working hard and working smart are both working. It's just that those who work hard, vote for democrats, and those that ARE smart do not.

But what makes Hillary so despicable is that she has never in her life done "real" work. She has never been a factor of production. She has never added any value to society, as a first lady or as a reverse-carpet-bagging senator.

She is the one exploiting the common man for her own personal gain. But that’s whatt democrats do.

Posted by GinNTonic, Feb 22, 2008 2:38PM

Whatever happens, I just hope the house and the white house are controlled by two different parties.

Posted by guest, Feb 22, 2008 3:38PM

Dear Bush-bashers: regarding 9/11 - with the knowledge of credible threats, Bush and/or the State department should have done what? suspended all flights for eternity until they tracked down Atta? try having an Israeli-style screening system at airports so terrorists can't hijack planes so easily...or, post 9/11, now that Bush etc. know the threats are real, how many planes have been flown into buildings? someone's doing a pretty good job keeping us safe. what would you pay for that protection? $4,000? ($1.2 trillion divided by 300 million people) out of your pocket is pretty cheap i'd say, considering you probably pay a lot more than that for a doorman/gated yard/slomin's shield/doberman/bodyguard/karate lessons. not to mention your tab at scores last month.
(And yeah i know blah blah iraq has nothing to do with al qaeda, except for al qaeda in iraq....)

Posted by guest, Feb 22, 2008 4:29PM

I can't entirely blame you, Dealbreaker, since the article does the same thing, but nowhere is she quoted as saying Wall Street people aren't doing 'real work.' The word 'real' doesn't appear in anything she says there.

Posted by guest, Feb 23, 2008 9:15PM

Hillary can suck my left nut while she is being anal fisted by Huma Abedin.

Posted by guest, Feb 24, 2008 6:11PM

You assholes are so full of shit. How can you live with yourself? I hope you all die from AIDS.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 24, 2008 7:15PM

Drumroll please....aaaaaand the award for Most Constructive Comment of the Year goes to......guess @ 6:11

Congratulations on this momentous achievement, and may we only hope to be similarly enlightened by your genius in the future.

Posted by guest, Feb 25, 2008 1:00AM

Yo 6:11,

If all people here were to die, who would feed your welfare ass, and provide the 'highly deserved' healthcare to your 5 illegitimate children and feed their 5 baby daddies in prison?

Get it? No? Never mind. Thanks for playing retarded prole rage anyways.

Posted by SlashAndBurn, Feb 25, 2008 3:22AM

Funny so many geniuses think "the war" started with Iraq.

Clue: We were at war on Sept 10, 2001, we just didn't know it.

Clue: We will be at war long after Iraq has a McDonalds on every street corner.

Clue: Longing for the "security" of Sept 10th is folly.

Posted by Shogunmillenium, Feb 26, 2008 7:42PM

Wow. Lots of comments. Everyone seems to make a point (some less than others). Some compliment while others oppose using trash talk and the remaining few use a more diplomatic approach when conveying a message. More importantly, it seems that the canons should be aimed at the biggest moving targets in the United States, George W.(dumb-ass) Bush Jr. and Dick(head) Cheney. These guys perform daily impeachable offences to the American people.. and never seem to be accountable. Has anyone wondered why? Does anyone think something should be done about it? It wouldn't be so hard if the voice of America unified and concenrated on the real problems, like kicking out jack-asses that piss in our faces everyday. For this reason, I think Americans must not allow another republican in office as it seems all too evident the voice behind the mask is not the "hero" standing before the people. Who feels like going out and working excessively hard and being "uniquely" American for those guys to pull the same type of stunts you saw at fraternity gatherings... with your tax dollars? Even though Obama may not have the blue heart from supporting all the lobyists who line their pockets with the lion's share of American money, he brings something fresh and quite likely something Americans haven't seen in a long time (perhaps ever)... A fighter's instinct. He grew up with no money under the provision of a single mom. A multitude of variables could have fashioned his life for the worst... On his own he found the strength to defeat despair. America needs a little attitude like that. Enough of the sliver spoon spoiled brat adult children running a great nation. What does it say about Americans that they can't elect a better candidate than the typical losers..? Let's not be afraid of change and do something about the state of affairs in the U.S today. Out with the old.. and in with the new! One last point. AMERICA HAS NO HEALTH CARE! Check out some of our surrounding G7 (even developing countries offer better) friends and take a good long look at a real health care system. So why the debate of whether shit is better than rot? My point is there is no debate.. because there is no health care. Will that ever change? The answers are simple.. and the solutions are up to us.

Posted by guest, Feb 27, 2008 9:21AM

@7:42, for all the reflexive Bush-Cheney hatred, last I checked Obama was not runnign against either or them. Update: Al Gore and John Kerry lost. Move on will you?

"A fighter's instinct." - I REALLY wouldn't bring that up when McCain is also the candidate. Not only has McCain fought in a real life war and very bravely so, he has also fought his own party when that clashed with his ideals.

Now let us see. When was the last time Obama fought - scratch that - expressed even the mildest disagreement with the extreme liberal-left faction? Never I guess.

"AMERICA HAS NO HEALTH CARE"
My roots are in a developing country and I have lived in UK for 2 years. You really know shit about healthcare, outside of what your local union has probably fed you.

You are part of the ridiculous liberal-left which simply cannot stomach the fact that for the past decade or so - America has been more prosperous (at EVERY level) that is has ever been in its like. The reasons for you frustration are evident - all this prosperity is driven by free-market capitalism and the past 60 years have totally repudiated across the world the collectivist socialism that was put across as the path to utopia.

Funny thing is that even all ex-communist countries and even the semi-socialist European ones are looking towards the American brand of free-market capitalism to usher higher growth and to kickstart their stagnant economies. But of course, when did socialists do anything based on logic?

Posted by guest, Feb 27, 2008 11:09AM

Who the hell is Latresha? Someone tell these ignorant stormfront rednecks that only intelligent people should post.

Posted by guest, Feb 27, 2008 11:29AM

"A fighter's instinct" great, which is why he wants to retreat from a winning position in iraq? real ballsy.

"Check out some of our surrounding G7" you mean the ones with 50-100% higher unemployment than us and <50% of our economic growth rate for the past decades, where students riot because they cannot work or afford housing?

no thank you.