The French On Kerveil: He's From Brittany Not 'France'

The French do not exactly have their croissants in a twist over the alleged misdeeds of Jerome Kerviel, the Societe Generale trader who is blamed for enormous losses at the banks. While jokes about France—including the idea that Kerviel felt pressured into making his 'rogue' trades by an exhausting 30 hour work week—have been making their way around the globe for weeks, traders and bankers in Paris do not see Kerviel as one of theirs. Subsequently, they don't see the scandal as a black mark on their markets and institutions.

He went to the wrong schools, worked in the wrong part of the bank and, most importantly, he was from the wrong part of France.

"Everyone whose name begins with 'Ker' is from Brittany," said a banker familiar with France. "And Brittany is different."

What might look like bigotry to foreigners comes naturally to many in France and is serving as a psychological firewall against the spreading scandal. Authorities recently picked up Moussa Bakir, a broker at Newedge, which is owned by SocGen and another French bank, Calyon. But his name also has many in Paris holding up cigarette accented scare quotes with their fingers when they describe him as "French."

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Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 10:01AM

The french are about as open-minded as Ron Paul.

Posted by Spleen, Feb 11, 2008 10:01AM

That's good to know. Like how Ian Huntley isn't from England, he's a Mercian.

What's the French for 'La la la I can't hear you'?

Posted by Not That Well Connected, Feb 11, 2008 10:05AM

Anyone have the private number for the Waverly Inn? I have a client who wants to go there and the public number is always busy.

Posted by Francophope, Feb 11, 2008 10:30AM

Let me get this straight, just because this kid is some sort of Frog equivalent to a hillbilly, the bank taking a $7b haircut is okay, or is there something hallucinogenic in their vile-smelling cigarettes?

Posted by And I Know "Funny", Feb 11, 2008 10:37AM

Francophope@ 10:30 AM, that was effing funny!

"Frog equivalent to a hillbilly..." LOL

Posted by HAM'05, Feb 11, 2008 10:37AM

@ 10:05 - number is 212.867.5309 iaain

Posted by L' Enfant Tradeur, Feb 11, 2008 10:39AM

I see Paris...
I see France....
I see SocGen shitting their pants....

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 11, 2008 10:48AM

Jerome-iah was a bullfrog.
Wasn't a good friend of mine.
In prison they're going to dress him up like a Ninja Turtle
And make him Action Figure number 9.

Posted by John Carney, Feb 11, 2008 10:54AM

@ HAM'05.

Ha.

Jenny I got your number!

Posted by A wipe, Feb 11, 2008 10:55AM

Brittany? is that like in Spears?

Posted by Sybil Fawlty, Feb 11, 2008 10:55AM

"He's from Barcelona. Typical Latin, really."

Apparently, denial is also a river that flows through Paris.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 12:01PM

Ken Lay was from Texas not the US (ok born in Missouri, but you get the point)

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 12:17PM

While my 1st inclination is to rip on the French for being ridiculous, I can't help but point out many on the Street have the same attitude, i.e. if a kid went to a state school (yes, even the good one(s)) he/she gets ripped on, virtually regardless of knowledge, skill, performance, (...everything besides drinking ability)

Posted by girl, Feb 11, 2008 12:31PM

@ Analyst

funny as i was actually having this conversation with some friends yesterday, we unanimously agreed (having not gone to state schools) that we felt like idiots with no drive compared to those kids.

Posted by jt, Feb 11, 2008 12:54PM

Brittany is included in the French state as Wales is included in the British state . Both, Brittany and Wales, are celtic nations .

Posted by A wipe, Feb 11, 2008 12:57PM

@12:54 you sure it has nothing to do with Spears? i must have gone to a state school

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 11, 2008 1:11PM

@girl+anal - in the grand scheme of things, one of the most valuable assets a person can have is a north american education, period, regardless if it is ivy or not.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 1:40PM

For sure, I know idiots who went to Upenn, and very very smart kids who went to Penn State. Theres more to a person than the name on their diploma (for example, their ability to not lose $7BN, butt of course thats just one small example...)

Posted by Nominate me, Feb 11, 2008 1:59PM

@ Anal_yst

As a state school guy, I tend to think of school selection at the age of 18 as a real reflection of priorities. While I excelled academically, it was the small matter of boozing and whoring that kept me from aspiring to "more prestigious" academic institutions.

To attend Ivy league institutions, (very generally speaking here) I tend to think that you have to have a clue about what you want out of life. I didn't have a clue until I was about 22 and ready to graduate.

While a much larger % of grads from Ivies can be considered elite performers, there is no shortage of really sharp people from state schools. Considering the number run through the chutes, it's hard not to graduate some brilliant kids who just didn't find their calling/drive until a bit later in life.

And the French are total tools.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 3:08PM

when I have kids they're only allowed to go to Harvard, Yale, Oxford or Cambridge. otherwise I'm not speaking to them.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 3:25PM

@ Nominate me

Ditto bro (esp on the boozing & whoring)

Especially x2 on that last point

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 11, 2008 3:32PM

The French are always ridiculous.

Plus, from my experience, the ragging on staties is mainly limited to Banking. Trading is both more blue collar and more intellectual than Banking, so I see many more interesting backgrounds in Trading. French at Vassar may get you into banking, but Carnegie Mellon is a much more respectable school in a quant shop.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 3:38PM

@3:32 You lost me when you started to compare Carnegie Mellon with the state schools. Totally different thing.

Posted by Calgary Schmooze, Feb 11, 2008 3:44PM

@BB - One thing I've always liked about the "American Way" is that the job market is much more fluid. As long as you are reasonably smart, you will find an opportunity. In the Frozen Northern Wasteland, a degree in French virtually ensures that you either get a job in the federal government or you return to get a teaching certificate, all contingent that your job as a barista can allow you to maintain your subsistence standard of living in the interim.

As for trading, I decidedly agree.

Posted by Bulging Bracket, Feb 11, 2008 4:17PM

@ 3:38 So many bankers, typically the French at Vassar types, think that it's cute that the help got a scholarship to a school funded by their ancestors, but don't think that they really have the intellect to handle banking. We are talking about prejudice rather than actual ability, no?

Plus, Michigan Physics is both too clear and not clear enough.

@ CS: You really muffed that reference. Though I do really think that a French or Women's Studies major is absolute proof of a lack of any substantial intellect, not to mention a proud innumeracy.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 4:39PM

Lets be honest here, you don't hafta be mensa to be a good banker/trader/etc, so much as we may like to imagine the contrary

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 4:55PM

Too general there, Anal_yst... The skill sets are different in all of these areas. For example, bankers are essentially relationship managers and people in sales sell. Both require good soft skills - good presentation, confidence, patience, coolness under fire, ability to anticipate customer needs. I've never seen an ugly or fat banker. Sales people have similar skills but I find are more focused. Plus, given the complexity of the underlying products, smarts are important as well.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 5:08PM

@4:55 - Not sure about your info but I've seen plenty of fat and ugly bankers, most of which seem to do not better or worse than the general banking population.

Though fair or not, when it comes to senior female bankers, being attractive does not hurt at all.

Posted by Nominate me, Feb 11, 2008 5:22PM

@ Anal_yst

Here here! As a group, traders/bankers tend to think that we are much smarter than we really are. But confidence is such an important factor in both professions, we probably are more skilled because of it.

A few of the large firms from Houston who employ energy traders, including our now defunct friends at ENE and DYN (scaled down), recruited heavily from my alma mater. So amongst Midwest and southern state schools, trading seems to be a much hotter path.

Investment banking just wasn't a big topic when I was there.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 5:33PM

@ 4:55

There are definitely PLENTY of fat and/or ugly bankers male and female, so please, if you know of some mythical place where everyone is at least in decent shape and fairly good looking, please let me know ASAP!

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 5:35PM

@5:08 I beg to differ. Not the ones that see customers, do deals, make big money. I repeat - none of them are fat or ugly. You must be looking at traders or support staff.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 5:40PM

@5:33 That place is Goldman Sachs

Posted by GAnalYst, Feb 11, 2008 5:42PM

Looking good and dressing well is part of the investment banking mystique. People don't trust those who are poorly groomed, overweight or badly dressed. It shows a lack of discipline.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 5:57PM

I feel naked and vulnerable without Blackberry access.

Posted by Anal_yst, Feb 11, 2008 5:59PM

@ 5:40, I know some not great looking, not very well dressed people @ Goldman so there goes that theory...

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 6:03PM

@ 5:40 and Alal - I'd venture to guess Lazard has the hottest on the street.

Posted by Nominate me, Feb 11, 2008 6:09PM

That comment strikes me as particularly funny, coming from you GAnalYst.

Posted by , Feb 11, 2008 6:26PM

Anal_yst, I think the reference was made to bankers at Goldman. Obviously the people in IT are not necessarily great looking or well dressed there or anywhere...

Posted by thain, Feb 11, 2008 7:08PM

Carney, this is a great post. Being early on this angle should come with some serious linkage.

Posted by everyone's favorite intern, Feb 11, 2008 7:32PM

Brittany is really a pretty part of France in the northwest, its rocky coast is sort of like Maine and it has a different culture than the rest of France-celtic with its own language and tradition of drinking cider with meals versus wine.

It would be basically like some guy from Wales doing something similar at Barclay's and bankers calling him not English.

Posted by Steak frites, Feb 11, 2008 9:01PM

it only took Germany three days to conquer France in World War II ..... and that's because it was raining

Posted by Steak frites, Feb 11, 2008 9:02PM

it only took Germany three days to conquer France in World War II ..... and that's because it was raining

Posted by a, Feb 11, 2008 9:40PM

Tim Sykes has to be involved in these trades somehow

Posted by JK, Feb 13, 2008 6:16AM

Steak frites - you are a moron mate.

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