Who Said It?

Hint: He speaks in the third person, like all deities.

So, to all my naysayers out there, I say screw you! Yup, you heard me. I don’t have to be polite anymore—I’m not trying to get investors, I’m not trying to gain credibility. Everybody—and I mean everybody—in finance makes mistakes, but I seem to be the only one who celebrates them, detailing them thoroughly because they hold the keys to understanding the market.


Awwww yeah, it feels damn good to let it all out! How many of you industry insiders are insanely jealous right now? Sorry, but if you’re not willing to provide the exact details and thought processes behind all your investments, you don’t deserve to speak about them because you’re holding back...you people should be ashamed for you are cowards and frauds. It’s people like you that have made this industry so poorly understood and lacking in societal respect.


That’s right, no more Mr. Nice [redacted]—it’s disgusting that finance, our true national sport, gets such little love and respect. It’s all due to the arrogant, slimy and secretive ways of Wall Street that keeps some people wealthy and most people poor and uneducated.


This industry needs to change and [redacted] will see to that.

Comments

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 1:57PM

Timaaaaaayyyyyy

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 1:59PM

dan loeb

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:02PM

Stan O'Neal

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:02PM

SAC

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:03PM

Ron Blarney

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:03PM

Maximilia Cordero

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:03PM

Billy Ash

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:05PM

Jimmy Cayne

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Posted by To The Hilt , Feb 20, 2008 2:05PM

Mike

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:05PM

ValueStockTips guy

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:06PM

timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy

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Posted by lemmerdeur , Feb 20, 2008 2:15PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:17PM

sykes. no doubt.

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Posted by Anal_yst , Feb 20, 2008 2:18PM

Timmy is gettin a bitchslap if he shows up at any DB party (if that ever happens)

What a f'in tool, yea timmy, because people don't go telling everyone about their lucrative strategies thats really fraud, yea, you keep telling yourself that sweety, whatever gets you through the day

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Posted by lemmerdeur , Feb 20, 2008 2:19PM

WTF regular html don't workie?

http://www.st-owners.com/forums/customavatars/avatar2656_2.gif

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Posted by step on all the bids , Feb 20, 2008 2:21PM

Timmm(g)ay!

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Posted by BSD , Feb 20, 2008 2:22PM

"if you’re not willing to provide the exact details and thought processes behind all your investments, you don’t deserve to speak about them because you’re holding back"
So Coca-Cola can't be an authority on soft drinks because it won't release their secret formula?

"everybody—in finance makes mistakes, but I seem to be the only one who celebrates them"
Keep making that lemonade (kool-aid?) from life's lemons, Timmy.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:24PM

Easy...Jim Cramer

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:31PM

The dude from Suck gen?? This is Timmy the Piker, guy couldnt trade his way out of a paper bag. Hes out trollin for pennies

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Posted by mrpink , Feb 20, 2008 2:31PM

Dan Luskin after Gasparino called him a jerk on Kudlow & Co?

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Posted by mrpink , Feb 20, 2008 2:32PM

Correction.. DON Luskin.. not Dan... Damn I need to stop staring at this photo of Tanner and eating this tasty food someone mailed to me today.

-mrp

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:33PM

No, the WAR its not about finance..

Problem with new office security. New security chatting with gogo girls across the road on company time.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:34PM

Meep agrees

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:40PM

if there is a bigger douchebag than Timmay, let him speak now,

i am continually amazed that of all the people i know, this tool is the most douchiest one

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Posted by HAM05 , Feb 20, 2008 2:44PM

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
A real gangsta-ass nigga plays his cards right
A real gangsta-ass nigga never runs his fuckin mouth
Cuz real gangsta-ass niggas don't start fights
And niggas always gotta high cap
Showin' all his boys how he shot em

**But real gangsta-ass niggas don't flex nuts
Cuz real gangsta-ass niggas know they got em**

And everythings cool in the mind of a gangsta
Cuz gangsta-ass niggas think deep
Up three-sixty-five a year 24/7
Cuz real gangsta ass niggas don't sleep

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Posted by Lucky , Feb 20, 2008 2:46PM

Bill Clinton working the Wall Street crowd for Hillary

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:50PM

Cody Willard

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:55PM

Timmy's mother is a Cunt.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:55PM

Feinberg

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:56PM

Cramer

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 2:58PM

okay cmon now we don't know that about timmay's mother at all. sure she may have made some bad choices in her day but really, leave the mom out of it.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 3:07PM

"I'm saying this guy's a jerk."

-- Charlie Gasparino

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 3:39PM

For Tim:

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, blog about it.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 3:46PM

Sounds like Timmy the Tool.

Get a job, Timmy. Please.
Love, Mom.

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 4:05PM

Def Cramer

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 4:29PM

John Devaney

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 4:33PM

I mean- it's hard to be anyone else but Timmy Sykes

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Posted by Debter , Feb 20, 2008 4:36PM

Tim, Timmny, Tim Tim, Taroo..

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 4:38PM

I mean- it's hard to be anyone else but Timmy Sykes

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Posted by guest , Feb 20, 2008 4:39PM

Ofcourse it is TIM SYKES!
I HEART TIM!

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Posted by onetwo , Feb 20, 2008 4:48PM

"So, to all my naysayers out there,"
You mean people who call your penny trading bullshit, well bullshit?

"I say screw you! Yup, you heard me. I don’t have to be polite anymore—I’m not trying to get investors, I’m not trying to gain credibility."
Screw me? For calling you out? Challenge.

The reason you're not "trying to get investors" is because no one will invest with you--not because you're not trying. The reason you're not "trying to gain credibility" is because you have proven you don't deserve any.

"Everybody—and I mean everybody—in finance makes mistakes, but I seem to be the only one who celebrates them, detailing them thoroughly because they hold the keys to understanding the market."
1) Everybody makes mistakes, not just financial gurus...most try to learn from their mistakes and better themselves to ensure they don't make them again. You, on the other hand, use them as a crutch, an excuse, a marketing tool. If a batter has a bad season he probably made some mistakes, but he doesn't quit and then proclaim "MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IS MAD AT ME BECAUSE I MADE MISTAKES! THAT'S WHY I QUIT! STUPID MLB, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW BADLY YOU NEED ME!". He goes to the batting cage, fixes his swing, and tries to get better.
2) If learning from YOUR mistakes made us better by learning vicariously through you, then why can't you get better by learning first hand from your experiences.


"Awwww yeah, it feels damn good to let it all out! How many of you industry insiders are insanely jealous right now? Sorry, but if you’re not willing to provide the exact details and thought processes behind all your investments, you don’t deserve to speak about them because you’re holding back...you people should be ashamed for you are cowards and frauds. It’s people like you that have made this industry so poorly understood and lacking in societal respect."
1) Insanely jealous? Once again, challenge.
2) As BSD said, holding proprietary data secret doesn't mean you're lying, cheating or stealing...it only means you have (theoretically) found some intellectual property you wish to protect. If people could patent trading schemes they would; since you can't protect them you're only being smart to not discose them.
3) "This industry" is not poorly understood or lacking societal respect because SAC, Rennaisance, or Bill Ackman are hiding their trading/investing methods...it's because they work and everyone else's (hyperbole) don't. That's called jealousy. Wall street is hated because of deuchebags like you, amongst other reasons (too many to name).


"That’s right, no more Mr. Nice [redacted]—it’s disgusting that finance, our true national sport, gets such little love and respect. It’s all due to the arrogant, slimy and secretive ways of Wall Street that keeps some people wealthy and most people poor and uneducated."
1) See above
2) You're telling me that people are refusing to go to school, college, or read millions of investment books because wall street is secretive? I would say it's the opposite: uneducated people either a) want to learn more and do, or b) don't care. But I am pretty sure my practices aren't sending signals to others not to go to school.

Tim, all i have to say is SCOREBOARD!

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Posted by Anal_yst , Feb 20, 2008 6:00PM

I'd just like to second 1-2's very well put together reubuttal, and echo each point in kind.

@ Tim Sykes:

I was scoping timmay's (your) website earlier (or later) this morning, and if memory serves he claims to be up ~100% thus far. This, in-and-of-itself may be admirable, but Timmay, there are a few problems with your work (and I am loathe to call it that):

1. You're making 100% on tiny tiny sums of money. If you had a strategy that could scale to even 10x, you might have enough to really make a living off, or retire, but it can't.

2. You're making 100% with what I imagine is retardedly high volatility.
a) The 'individual investors' you con into riding your Robin Hood bandwagon of merry men are NOT in the sort of situation where ultra-high risk strategies are at all appropriate for them on the whole.
b)Your risk-adjusted returns are probably horriffic. Do you have any idea what your sharpe ratio is? Do you even KNOW what a sharpe ratio is? (not to mention any other measure of risk-adjusted return)?

3. If you pulled your head out of your ass and stopped acting like such a clown, I think you might (MIGHT) be on to something, insofar as educating the public about things which they may never otherwise be exposed to is a good thing.
a) Unfortunately, all you're doing (at best) is grandstanding, and in all your braggadoccio, making yourself look like an even bigger tool, in the eyes of anyone who knows anything about anything, and likely in the eyes of many in your target audience.

Thats probably the most fair critique you're gonna get from anyone here. I suggest, if you ever want to appear legitimate, you consider my words carefully.

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Posted by TimothySykes , Feb 20, 2008 6:39PM

Damn thats a great quote! To clarify:

1. I could care less about secretive hedge funds like SAC, let those greedy bastards make their billions. I'm talking about the lack of transparency in the regulated side of business: mutual fund managers, brokers, analysts--all of them should be REQUIRED to disclose all their positions at all times, otherwise, it's safe to assume if and when they do talk about their positions or try to pawn investments off on others, they're either a.) making money the cowardly way, off fees or b.) trading against their own advice, stealing from suckers who believe it. More importantly, these ridiculous SEC rules and our litigious society have combined forces to create what is for all intensive purposes a crackdown on the sharing of information. Brokers and fund managers can't even publicly comment on things like my book? Startup hedge fund managers can't network freely? Are you kidding me? Wall Street has its head up its ass and since I have no shame, I don't mind calling it like it is.

2. You guys rip on penny stock trading all you want, it's the cause of all my wealth and I didn't even have to rip off any suckers or make any cold calls to do it! For years, I simply didn't understand its limited scalability, but I had to try...now that I understand it, I think it's ideal for individuals with between $1k and $50k, maybe even $100k or $500k, aka a hell of a lot of people who think they should manage their money like a $500m mutual fund. 20-30% annual returns are all well and good, but if you have lets say $5k, you don't really care about making $1k-$1.5k for the year, it won't change your life, even if you compound it out for 10 years. So you should take on a little more risk because similarly a $1k-$3k loss doesn't really matter and thats why my strategy is ideal for these folks. If you follow my blog, you know I'm a pretty bad timer, I trade too often, I trade undisciplined and even I'm up 25% in 3 months! It's just common sense that others can do better than me, if they know what to look for. I don't know why others haven't said this before: 20-30% annual returns are great for people in the business, but it sucks for individuals! Penny Stock trading is surprisingly far safer than most assume, again, there's just never been anybody totally honest out there talking about it.

3. My mother is great, you fools gotta stop ripping on her, only I can cuz we joke around like that.

4. I wish you could see how many incredibly stupid/naive emails I get, these are people who are speculating blindly and inevitably concluding that the stock market, and more specifically penny stocks is random and dangerous. All they need is some guidance from someone like me, who seen the ups and downs and can explain the risks and rewards in a rational manner. Get ready, you ain't seen nothin' yet! Stick around...

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Posted by Anal_yst , Feb 20, 2008 11:29PM

@ Tim

Let me respond to your points in kind:

1. Yes public entities and those speaking out in public should have to (and should be stringently enforced) to disclose conflicts, in fact, if you've ever, oh, I dunno, read a research report, or watched CNBC, you'd know this is the case. I'm not sure what you're suggesting beyond that though.

2. "people who try to manage their money like a $500m fund", etc...

The fact of the matter is that most people who you describe in this post, hell, even some people who WORK in finance can't manage their own money. What makes you think its appropriate for Joe Schmo with $40k in a Scottrade account (which likely comprises a good portion of his savings) to play penny stocks. I will give you (against my better jugdgement) the benefit of the doubt that it IS in fact possible to make money on penny stocks. However, contrary to your point, they are higher risk investments and trading strategies than larger-cap investments, etc. This is an indisputable fact, one which I beg of you to prove me wrong.

Also, please provide some metrics supporting your conclusions that with your strategies penny stocks are lower risk. I have said multiple times that if you can provide some cold hard data to support your rambling unsubstantiated claims, that I will gladly stand corrected. However, until that, I stand by my point that ceteris paribus, your trading strategies are achieving outsize returns that are in-line with outsize risks, and when viewed on a risk-adjusted basis, quite unimpressive.

3. What goes on between you and your mother is neither of any interest to me, keep that shit personal

4. See my response to #2. Show us some numbers (do you know any portfolio theory? does the name Markowitz ring a bell? Bueller? Bueller?)

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Posted by TimothySykes , Feb 20, 2008 11:49PM

1. Who cares about disclosure, it's a joke--I want many more details. Read my blog and you'll see what I think everyone should show, that way, there'll be no more confusion as to who knows what, who knows crap but markets well and who's lucky. It's sad that until Ii decided to play by my own rules and open my big mouth, all I had was a track record and I couldn't raise any capital. Now, even with my 30% drawdown, I get offers every day--too bad I have no desire to manage OPM again, with the regs. the way they are.

2. Penny stocks are risky, but so is every stock. You want to minimize risk, use an ETF or mutual fund. But if more of us were allowed to share our knowledge openly, people would understand the risks better and souped up boiler rooms like Goldman Sachs wouldn't look so rosy anymore!

But let's say you're right and I do take big risks--hell, even though I don't ue leverage, I do play around with 30% of my "portfolio" daily. But the only real risk is a news going the other way or an SEC halt, which has happened only a handful of times since I started this a decade ago. More importantly, I teach people to never leave their computer with an open position, thats why I only take 1-2 positions at a time, I like watching every trade to make sure my stocks act EXACTLY how I want them to while my money is in there.

This all comes to down whether you think the market is random or not. I think penny stocks and smallcaps aren't as random and my entire goal is to show everyone that there are specific times when price action is predictable, for minutes hours or days, depending on the strength of the alignment of all the variables.

My numbers and trades are all listed on Covestor.com, where I'm currently #1. Portfolio theory doesn't apply to penny stocks, I just play whatever is in play because the day trader crowd is fickle and that makes for good trading

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Posted by Anal_yst , Feb 21, 2008 12:01AM

1. Time and time again you keep coming back (usually mid-paragraph) to the fact that even though you were successful you couldn't raise funds. This is a clear indication that at least on this first point of "disclosure" you've got ulterior motives, and I think that your shooting in the wrong direction, so to speak.

2. I can't argue against this, 1-2, anyone, this just aint worth it, sigh...

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Posted by TimothySykes , Feb 21, 2008 12:21AM

I couldn't raise funds because I followed SEC rules and I didn't talk about my performance to anyone!!! All I could do was list my little fund in a database and wait for people to come to me.

I wish I had the guts and knowledge then that I have now as I would've taken out full page ads, blogged, whatever to get my name out there and show I have something special. Yes, my strategy isn't very scalable, but my one big loss was due to the fact that I put too much into an illiquid play.

Now, who knows if I would've done this, but what if I could've networked like any normal businessperson and raised another few million, then my little CYGT investment wouldn't be such a disaster and I'd probly still be running a fund.

It doesn't matter, it's too late for me, but I KNOW there are thousands of startup fund managers going through th EXACT same fundraising hell. They can't speak up because of the rules, so I'm speaking up for them! The SEC terrorists even admitted their gag rule needs changing, but that was over a year ago and still nothing's really been changed. Very sad...

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 7:55AM

blogged to raise funds for your hedge fund? jesus h christ. you should consider yourself lucky that 1-2 and Anal_yst even bothered to spend a couple minutes of their day trying to discuss your bullshit with you.

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 10:57AM

you are an embarassment to Tulane grads and the profession of finance. what a sad tool you are tim.

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 10:59AM

you are an embarassment to Tulane grads and the profession of finance. what a sad tool you are tim.

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Posted by TimothySykes , Feb 21, 2008 2:30PM

Haha I love how you guys think it's embarrassing to not act like a professional all the time. I love being able to speak freely but what am I doing that's so wrong?

Saying that Penny Stocks are ideal for individuals? I believe they are. Not being as boring as just about everyone in finance? All you need is an ounce of creativity and you've bested all the suits. Not giving into all these BS guessing games/marketing tactics that have suckered millions of investors for decades? Hell yes, Goldman Sachs and the like are nothing more than professional boiler rooms!

So, not only am I proud of my accomplishments, but I'm even more proud to be calling it like it is. It's amazing that honesty is a revolutionary business model in finance, you guys are the ones who should be ashamed. Don't worry, it might take me a few years, but I'll right your wrongs

PS I blog because its the best way to get my thoughts and ideas out there on a daily basis, I could care less about raising funds/managing assets, advantage Sykes

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 2:35PM

Tim that you don't realize how unprofessional you are is the problem. E.g. it is your opinion that penny stocks are ideal for individuals? Care to substantiate this in any way at all? It violates everything that is known or even suspected about the principles of risk management.

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Posted by TimothySykes , Feb 21, 2008 2:48PM

I substantiate it every day on my blog...for better or worse, this is how i've made and will continue to make my money. once you understand the variables, they're simply more predictable. we're not dealing with actual businesses, just patterns and human nature. much less complex, no way to BS it, basically like a predictable casino. no free drinks, just profits. again, doesn't matter to the big boys but it's perfect for those looking to make a few extra grand/month.

and as long as u play the volatile/liquid names, the risk isn't so bad, especially since I teach my students to never walk away while they have a position on. i'm talking about little slices of time.

yesterday's trade was a perfect example, shorted 1,000 of POS biotech IDMI at 3.71, covered into the close at 3.54. easy short into a late day bounce on the first down day after an exponential runup. scalable up to 25,000 shares or so.

and that was just a little play, the big ones are rare, but think 50 cents-$1 predictability, again, usually scalable to 25k-50k shares, sometimes more, sometimes less

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 3:31PM

Anal_yst said:

"your trading strategies are achieving outsize returns that are in-line with outsize risks, and when viewed on a risk-adjusted basis, quite unimpressive"

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If he's able to CONSISTENTLY make money over time, doesn't that amount to mitigated risk? It's the same analogy with options - extremely 'high risk' when cosidered in isolation, but it's still possible to employ strategies that mitigate risk to make money over time.

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Posted by Anal_yst , Feb 21, 2008 5:47PM

@ 3:31

I"m talking about his returns, considered with respect to the volatility of those returns. Are you suggesting he's, for example, returning 40% annually with very very low vol? In the absense of any data indicating otherwise, it only makes sense to assume his trading is highly volatile.

And with that, I'm done. This is a game that has no end, f'it.

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Posted by guest , Feb 21, 2008 6:53PM

If I'm a client who sees profit every day, I really don't care about how volatile the plays were intraday. If I'm seeing 40% profit every year, I don't care about the volatility throughout the year. Only time will tell if his strategy itself leads to volatility, or whether he's able to mask the volatility of the individual components (smallcaps) with dependable strategies. Ironically, if he is consistently able to make profits off predictable chart patterns (such as shorting huge spikes), he's subject to the same classification of 'boring' that he seems to give value investors.


-3:31

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