In the past weeks, together with his wife, Patricia Cayne, who is a student of Jewish religious traditions, Mr. Cayne has spent considerable time searching for comparable events in religious history to see what lessons can be learned from the collapse of his firm, said a person who has spoken to him recently.
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This post is disgusting. Shame on you, Dealbreaker.
guest@10:01 Jimmy Cayne is disgusting. Shame on you, guest@10:01.
Bess,
As a Jew, you should know better than to make light of the Holocaust, even in an attempt at a witty headline.
Now every Joey Goombats and Patrick O’Brien that reads this blog can toss around their usual idiotic anti-Semitic comments behind the cloak of internet anonymity.
Oy!!
-The Forehead Slapper
@ 10:18…i don’t think she was making light of the holocaust, but cayne and everyone who’s been calling this the death of bear/the end of their employees lives.
You people need to chill. If Jews can’t make fun of the holocaust, then the terrorists have already won.
@whoever, yesterday, I wrongly defended the idea that everyone does NOT freak out when Bess makes fun of the tribe. clearly, i was mistaken, you guys are as prissy as i thought you weren’t.
A alassless and terrible headline.
There are no jokes about the Holocaust.
There are indeed numerous references in
Jewish religious history relating to the fate and plight of money lenders
(the only role Jews were allowed in certain societies)which would make for an intelligent discussion.
That notwithstanding Ms. Levin’s attempt at a cheap joke is atrocious.
Might I suggest that the editors considered removing it.
@twats, she’s not making fun of the tribe, she’s making fun of cayne, who’s trying to get introspective about his role in destroying Bear Stearns.
Remember when the WSJ was a normal business newspaper? During the 1990s, if the Journal made a percieved slight against women, a torrent of letters to the editor would arrive and be printed from female execs which read like the authors were in the middle of battling black-belt PMS. Oh, those were the good old days.
Imagine that!! – some offended by comments on DB – mandatory PC classes must have been missed by Bess and the staff.
If we can’t play cards, bet on horses, and smoke a spliff…well, the terrorists have truly won.
-waiting for the barbarians, while draped in 7 flags.
Anything for a cheap laugh, huh Bess? (no pun intended on the use of the word cheap)
and yet no one had a problem with the huffington post calling what happened to bear “rape” and “enslavement.” i guess the rule among db commenters is that women and blacks are fair game, jews are not.
http://dealbreaker.com/2008/03/bear_stearns_employees_already.php
Oh no! A joke with ‘Holocaust’ in it! Commissioner, switch on the TwatSignal, only Captain Outrage can save us now!
I never insinuated that Bess was “making fun of the tribe”. Self-deprecating humor is what gets me by in many a social setting. I asked that she not make light of the Holocaust which was not a religious event, but a gut- wrenching atrocity that has reshaped families for eternity. My grandparents were survivors who witnessed their siblings being herded off to die like cattle.
It’s just not something I like to see made light off to inspire witty journalism.
-10:18
@10:36 I dont get it, what is objectionable in that post? Unless you believe that words “rape” and “enslavement” should not even be quoted on the internet?
Get a life.
I probably should be offended.
“@twats, she’s not making fun of the tribe, she’s making fun of cayne, who’s trying to get introspective about his role in destroying Bear Stearns.”
exactly.
@10:40– i find nothing objectionable in it. i’m just pointing out that the words (and meaning behind the words) “rape” and “enslavement” have been used to describe what happened at bear, which is no different than using the word “holocaust” to describe it (even though she wasn’t, she was making fun of cayne). it’s interesting that no one had a problem with the first two.
How can you possibly compare the Holocaust to the words rape or enslavement, you ignorant moron?
As a Jew, I am offended. My fellow Jews and I can make fun of 9/11, the Gays, Bush, other Jews and Bear Stearns but we can’t make fun of the Holocaust?
It’s a tragedy and nobody is seriously believing anything like this, but as a famous comic once said – Tragedy + Time = Comedy
not offensive at all… what are you guys on about?
I think the problem is not that it’s offensive to use the Holocaust as a joke headline, but rather that it’s just not funny. At all.
hasn’t anyone here seen The Producers? A comedy about….. Hitler. By Mel Brooks.
@10:50AM: yeah, i guess i’m “ignorant,” ’cause i sort of see slavery, i.e. ENSLAVEMENT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE as sort of a big deal and not the relative walk in the park you view it as.
But Bear really did collapse….
dead horse, you forgot the negros.
I think Bess’s 53 word post are quite intriguing and thought provoking. Not.
I am a proud MOT and the humor the Levin uses with respect to us makes me laugh everyday. However this is not about MOT’s making fun of other MOT’s. I think the issue here is about the trivializing of the Holocaust by making the destruction of BSC comparable to the Holocaust. I think what Bess is doing is making fun of Jimmy Cayne by trying to postulate that JIMMY CAYNE Is equating the 2 events NOT BESS.
To be honest I had a problem with Schindlers List being trivialized by Seinfeld but that is because I am a polish Jew who lost is very lucky that my grandfather escaped while his 8 siblings, parents and his whole extended family were exterminated. That is my bias I admit it and drive on.
Thanks Levin,Carney and I look forward to more EP posts.
So, anyway, does EP have pillow fights with Bess or not?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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bess i support you in all my jewness
what ever happened to the money honey vs street sweetie controversy?
As a fellow MOT I can’t get what everyones gettin bent out of shape about. You must all be having really rough times if this gets grinds your gears
@11:03AM. This post is 7 words. Not 53. Fucking idiot. No need to respond to that, just accept it and slink back to your teller’s window.
I dated a jewish girl once. Very sweet girl, too bad her mother had to embelish the stereotype in every sense of the word….
The only thing that offends me about this post is that the tag “Should’ve turned to the Jews a little sooner” hasn’t been used for any other posts yet.
Is it true that according to the Torah the Brazillian wax is forbidden?
I find that very disappointing.
It’s not a joke about the holocaust, you dumbasses, it’s a joke with the word “holocaust” in it. There is a difference.
I still love you, Bess.
well now we know what gets a bunch of misogynists riled up…
@11:19 “dated….once” Sounds like mom got her way in the end.
If Long Island floated away, would it make its way to Israel?
I dated a black boy once. Very sweet man, yippee for me that that the stereotype didn’t need any embelishment(in every sense of the word)!!
Anal_yst,
I think this is about a J.A.P. who is trivializing the deaths of millions of people for ratings.
If people are offended, they should contact the Corp behind DB, and point out that its writers are going out of their way to personally offend as many readers as possible. I know that I find it offensive, but then I personally understand what the cost was to my own family.
The second approach would be to let the MHL or who ever pays the bills to know that they are advertising at a location that seeks to trivialize the events of WW2 and the millions of people who died for their “Corp” gain.
The sad part is she is a great example of the next generation and what we as parents have raised to replace us. I guess the sick joke is actually on us, the parents of people like Bess.
Its sad that we have reached a stage in society where this could be considered witty… Who cares what her intent was, its the reality of what she wrote when she hit the post button…
ok shield on… cuss me out and show your true colors Bess…
11:27, are you a chick?
I dated a mexican girl once but she was just always “so sleeeepy”
11:27 am
What stereotype?
@ 11:28. Please do us a favor and just kill yourself and your family. Good day.
i have no issue with this article.
i hate everyone equally.
@11:28- “who cares about what the intent was”? um, everybody? and the intent was to make fun of cayne, as a few intelligent people have pointed out. also, this is a “next generation” thing? ever heard of a little play called the producers, created by mel brooks? finally, why are you so quick to assume that bess, a jew didn’t have family involved in the holocaust as well? (It’s also interesting that you’re so quick to sterotype Bess using the derogatory (towards Jews!) term “JAP.”) The “sick joke” is indeed on YOU, for being a self-righteous prick who makes zero valid points.
This is Wall Street, the land of dead baby jokes. Take a break folks. The joke is on Cayne.
11:28, did you take part in this rally?
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/anti-emo-riots.html
This was definitely the story where Bess was going to take DealBreaker to the next level. Not their coverage of ARS. Not their coverage of Bear. Not their coverage of pretty much every major fund blowup over the last year. It was going to be a joke about Jimmy Cayne hypothetically comparing the collapse of BSC to the Holocaust.
Yeah, Bess is definitely going out of her way here. She made a joke. This is offensive because she only jokes about Jews. Well, Jews, Gays, blacks, bankers, trannies, lawyers, prostitutes, whites, politicians, Tim Sykes, everyone at Fox Business and CNBC and of course, Ron Blarney. Clearly, she isn’t joking – she’s just the best racist/sexist/genderist/idiotist/anti-semite ever.
I really fail to see how something that is clearly a joke about JIMMY CAYNE offends people because she is joking about the HOLOCAUST. She’s clearly making fun of him and not saying anything terrible about it all.
This can’t be your first time visiting DealBreaker. Is a joke like this really that far out of the blue? Was BL ever so straight-edge that we couldn’t see a joke like this happening?
Come on now, use some common sense. People like you make variable-rate loans to people with bad credit.
here here!
Another atheist jew (levin) making herself look like a fool. Like most atheist jews of NY, she will probably end up marrying a non-jew — much the way Goring the nazi was produced from inter-marriage thru the generations. Why do even need these people?
hey, what ever happened with the girl/1-2 situation? I remember Bess’ IM followup chat w/1-2 and then nothing…
that was probably months ago wasn’t it. don’t mind me, i’ve been tied up dealing with this “subprime” problem…
@ 11:31 if you need to ask “what stereotype” you are definately on the wrong blog.
Now excuse me while i call my brother to discuss where we are going to smoke a big fattie before shabbat services.
Hey Jews-
You do not own the Holocaust. Where is the gay/gypsy/Jehovah’s witness/Communist outrage?
11:28 reminds me of my parents and all of the “stereotypical” jews who get all up in arms as soon as anything about the holocaust is mentioned, all the while being more of the ‘athiest jew’ mentioned by another poster 99% of the time.
Many of us had family involved (myself included), and clearly it is no joking matter. However, you fail to see the forest for the trees (or something like that).
11:28, do you get your panties in a bunch every time you see the word “holocaust” mentioned anywhere that is not a historical account or memorial?
@ 11:43 I think you are a terrible person. You called Bess an anti-semite while at the same time throwing out one of the most atrociously prejudicial comments I have heard. I get so damn sick of the overt prejudice of such statements, which some people embrace with pride. So what if a Jew wants to marry a non-Jew? I’m a white WASP, what the hell kind of person would I be if I said “I will not marry a black/jewish/catholic/(insert any other religion/race here). I would be a terrible person, that’s what I would be. So you, my friend, I believe are a terrible person. Congratulations.
I don’t know if you guys know about numbers, but I’m pretty sure “3″ comes after “1″ and “2.”
Discuss.
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hol·o·caust /ˈhɒləˌkɔst, ˈhoʊlə-/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.
Anal_yst, I (Holocaust) heard a rumor (gas chambers) that KPMG is (Nazis) having some big problems (Hitler) related to subprime (Meredith Whitney) losses.
@ 11:45- whole lotta nothing
@ 12:02- I love the sentiment, but comeon when have you ever been to an interracial WASP wedding?!
As a friend joked at dinner last night, “my parents might appear non judgemental, but that’s only because you’re one of them”
All jokes aside, what does MOT stand for?
MOT = member of the tribe, ie.jewish
see urbandictionary.com (in order to avoid these embarassing questions in the future)
Seriously girl?
MOT stands for “member of the tribe”. Tribe being “The Jews” and member being ” A Jew”.
i’m not embarassed, you just did the work for me- as it should be! thanks.
Y’know, the holocaust joke would have worked better if this had been a traditionally “Jewy” firm, like Goldman or Lehman.
@12:19– not really. the joke is funny as is, made funny by cayne’s idiocy.
I had no idea what a MOT was either.
You guys need to remember that not everyone in NYC is a “MOT”.
Bess a JAP? who are you kidding. you’ve obviously never met her.
@11:11 get a life and don’t be a dick. also how do you want your change?
Have you ever met a “poor” Jew?
@12:30/11:03– says the dick talking shit about bess.
If we can’t laugh at ourselves who can we laugh at???
Here’s one for you…
If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish what would Cheetah have been?
A fur coat.
“Mr. Cayne has spent considerable time searching for comparable events in religious history to see what lessons can be learned from the collapse of his firm.” How long has Cayne been like this?
@11:27 does it make you feel good or bad knowing that, if the stereotype is true and it wasn’t uncomfortable for you, then most of the white guys you have slept with probably laughed about how loose you are?
I get a little tired about all this bitching about the Holocaust. Get over it! Everyone has it rough sometimes. Don’t have a cow man, it’s not like world suddenly ran out of Jews in the ’40s.
To guest @ 11:28am, you just inspired me to see what Palestinian cause I can write a check. Now those are oppressed people.
@1:06 spoken like a true “.005 inches wide/2 inches long” (cut).
@12:04 LOL
@other guy whose time i can’t remember, lets get this straight. The Producers was a movie. ABOUT a play called Springtime for Hitler. THEN, decades later, The Producers became a play.
hot damn, db! you have started one nasty little skirmish with your hatemongering today…my name is bennett and I am not about to step in it. but for realz, I’m still waiting on my 40 acres – y’all can keep the damn mule.
The first thing I thought of was “Springtime for Hitler” from The Producers (Mel Brooks).
Lighten up, people!
If Doctor Representative Ron Paul was president, he would give bess a spanking, and wash her mouth out with soap.
ever seen a jewish porno…i own several apartment buildings and have a well funded 401k.
this is just like the producers, except the producers is funny
@1:44- let’s hear your jokes, chief
Batman, up until this comment i have always found you amusing.
But, this was over the line. Granted the DB line is thin and very fluid but you managed to leap over it.
This comment list proves that it’s a REALLY slow day on Wall Street.
u can’t say anthing bad about bess’s work b/c her boyfriend get’s really pissed
Q: What do you say to a girl with two black eyes?
A: Nothing, you already tried to explain it twice.
if this was written in the NYT it has to be true
of course it’s a really slow day on Wall Street
i’m dumping off the remnants of my financials today
Did you hear that the game “Hangman” is going to be banned in some schools because a certain ethnic group is offended that the game features a noose?
please – every noose does not represent a lynching. Remember the hysteria at Halloween over witches hanging from trees by nooses – innocent decorations. the ones who should have been offended are the witches and warlocks.
Everyone has an equal right to be offended.
Please…. lets be sure we keep the Christ in Christmas
@guest 2:23p,
Don’t mind me, I am just pissed at the Jewish guys for taking all the hot Asian bitches. Ever try to get a white woman to do your laundry?
plenty of non-hot Asian bitches still out there to do laundry, my son.
That’s amusing batman.
On the laundry issue….
Do what my WOP
brother-in-law does (because my MOT sister won’t do his laundry) – take it to your mother.
guest @ 2:23 pm
of what my WOP brother did: marry a Polish girl.
@ 4:03 hate to break this to you – she is a Polish girl (granted 2nd generation polish MOT).
100!
this is not a comment
I’ve never heard an MOT from Poland refer to themselves as Polish
is this a great kountry or what?!?!
I personally didn’t think Elohim would ever be so cruel as to make someone both a Jew and a Pole but then again look at what he did to Job. It could be worse, you could be playing interior lineman for the Bengals.
SHALOM!
JAGSHEMASH!
I think the hilarity of Bess’ post is a direct function of when ones family got out of Eastern Europe. I’m guessing the Levins of New Jersey were definitely in the Catskills pre-1945. I wish this post could be funny for me (and my family).
@Onegin: as someone who knows her family pretty well– Bess’s father’s family has been in the US for 4 generations. On her mom’s side, the grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD: this is not a joke making fun of the holocaust, IT IS MAKING FUN OF CAYNE.
You people are so sensitive
My parents’ generation was chased out of their country in a massive religious genocide
I don’t claim credit for it and insist that people walk on pins and needles in presence in order to avoid disrespecting that struggle
who cares, we’re alive
get over it
@4:59 – how is this making fun of cayne? and i’m not saying he shouldn’t be made fun of? but i’m missing something here. DB is saying the fall of BSC is like the Holocaust?
oi vey
@5:16 The restraint I am showing you should make me a legend…
Oi gevalt. Kopf in orst. Arbeit mit frei…. blah blah allo old news.
Seriously, you kind folks of the chosen people, stop reacting, it just gets worse when you do.
We all know that the Holocaust was terrible, we don’t need your reminders. Sadly it is not the only known genocide in recent history. It is just the best publicized. So let it go.
Kudos to Bess – you rock.
surprised no one said it earlier…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnCtyh5_Hw0
- sam j.
Posted by guest, Mar 28, 2008 11:43AM
Another atheist jew (levin) making herself look like a fool. Like most atheist jews of NY, she will probably end up marrying a non-jew — much the way Goring the nazi was produced from inter-marriage thru the generations. Why do even need these people?
I wonder if, under that rationale, each race or ethnicity should stick with its own kind?
The post about Cayne, and his turn to religous thought (while at the same time exhibiting any number of traits that would signify a total disregard for any level of Jewishness), is a legit point to bring out, nor should it reduce the clarity of what the Jewish Holocaust means to those who suffered from it, or to those who have learned from it.
blah blah blah
whatever
Instead of this holocaust business, isn’t anyone horrified that we are about to be reporting to the most arrogant, short-sighted, and inexperienced person? I am talking about Obama of course. Is his color making everyone blind to who he really is? No one would ever elect someone like him if he were white.
blah..Hillary…blah…Clinton…blah…Cunt…blah
@11:24-hilarious
bruce wayne -
when you stop being a “legend” you can blow me.
can this please not be over?
I jut showed my wife a picture of Jimmy Cayne, and she said, “EEEWWWW!! He looks like the Night of the Living Dead”.
To all those people offended by the headline, I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing that Levin is Jewish.
you must ride the short bus right?
I”M NOT DEAD YET!
Guest@10:52AM…Are you Jimmy Cayne? You must be replying to my entry from 03/30@6:44PM.
@8:11pm
Unzip your britches Mr. Marlboro Man, I want to smoke you.
” isn’t anyone horrified that we are about to be reporting to the most arrogant, short-sighted, and inexperienced person? I am talking about Obama of course. Is his color making everyone blind to who he really is? No one would ever elect someone like him if he were white..”
We already did elect someone like him – but white. I’ve been horrified for 8 years straight.
You don’t pay a hooker to come over… You pay her to leave.
@9:44 Hillary supporter here that agrees with you totally. Don’t worry about it though. McCain and the O-man, for example, are statistically tied in NJ – yes NJ, the bluest of states. And thats before the mauling by the R machine has even started. This loss for the D’s is gonna be like McGovern redux. We deserve it for letting an empty suit like that get as far as he did.
The loss for the D’s is going to be like the 1968 debacle. Once the leading candidates finishing cleaning up the floor with each other, the Republicans are going to clean up the floor with the survivor. And, like 1968, the war is going to go on.
If you think what the Chicago police did to your hippie father in ’68 wait until the Denver police get their hands on you.
In 68 my father and some buds got chased down an alley by a Chicago policeman, who they jumped and disarmed (is that the word for taking away his pistol?) and then stripped of his overcoat and pants. Dad, now far from a hippie, still has as a souvenir that long wool police issue overcoat which he wore proudly at NYU. I think that’s so cool.
Mccain has too much extra skin around his neck and his wife is a robot.
McCain’s wife is a sexy zyborg, not a robot, you dufus.
yes the holocaust was considered a religious event by the Nazis themselves, they saw cleansing the world of Jews as a spiritual duty.
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