Mortgage Checks Won't Be The Only Thing Bouncing This Month

Over the next few months, the media will be talking about presidential polls taken nationwide. Most of the polls you hear about are done nationwide and assume we Americans for our president the way the French vote for theirs (and may the Lord bless and keep Nicholas Sarkozy): that is, by popular vote.

Some of the smarter ones amongst you are toying around InTrade.com to predict the upcoming election. Well, that's nice and all, but how 'bout those of us for whom statistics matter? We're looking at FiveThirtyEight.com which breaks out poll numbers state-by-state and evaluates the pollsters themselves based on their prediction accuracy.

Anyone who knows anything about and/or remembers the 2000 race -- and that number dwindles every year amongst the growing crop of imbecile analysts -- knows that nationwide horserace polls are more like horses--t polls. The presidential race is really 50 races at once. (Note that I say 50 and not 51. Giving DC electoral votes is, after all, Democrat shut-out insurance, which is what would've been needed had they not stopped counting votes in Minnesota back in '84 when Dutch Reagan eviscerated Fritz Mondale). Calculating the probabilities based on a each state is the only way to go.

Still, there are some cool things we can learn about nationwide polls. As the conventions come around in a week and a half, the guys (or guy, I think) at FiveThirtyEight have come up with a rather simple equation to guesstimate what the bounce to the individual candidates will be in the polls:

Ln(d)*20.1 - 31.8*Ln(d+4) + 43.4

where d = number of days elapsed from the start of the convention

Well, that's easy enough, right? Obviously! A candidate can expect a 6-point bounce after the convention. Duh!

Okay, now for the rest of you, they include a chart which accounts for the fact that the Republican convention will be like four days after the Democrats hold theirs:

In other words, the Obama gets a huge up-tick for a few days, followed by a swing to McCain. However, they see McCain's bounce as being muted by the GOP's convention so closely scheduled after the Democrats rally in Denver.

Of course, this is based on previous results and doesn't account for the fact that a) Hilary Clinton is going to have her name brought up for nomination and; b) Obama has a strange, Marshall Applewhite-like control of his followers and; c) John McCain may not show up to the GOP convention if his speech doesn't fall between the Early Bird Special at Applebee's and his bedtime.

Hey, second-year analyst, come up with a strategy to play the spread between InTrade's numbers and FiveThirtyEight's numbers. Then do it because you're not getting a bonus this year.

Comments

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 2:49PM

Tim Sykes for president.

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Posted by EconAnalyst, Aug 15, 2008 3:14PM

Love the Heaven's Gate reference. Nothing says control like Nike and castration.

Who is writing this stuff?

Doesn't read anything like Carney and is not funny enough to be Bess.

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 3:26PM

hey carney, what ever happened to beachcomber? is it er, um, a downsized project?. Last time i checked Labor day is still a few weeks away.... just wondering

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 3:54PM

We had technical issues with beachcomber. We should be back next week.

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 4:19PM

It's that Lawrence Lewittin guy

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Posted by miami, Aug 15, 2008 4:25PM

intrade is so illiquid, it's not predictive at all but merely reactive.

They had odds of 75-80% on 2 consecutive neg GDP quarters in 2008. Tell me you think that was an accurate prediction. Even if Q1 and Q3 were negative they lose that bet.

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 4:25PM

@ econanalyst:

Tags: election, FiveThirtyEight.com, Lawrence Lewitinn

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Posted by guest, Aug 15, 2008 5:08PM

The University of Iowa electronic presidential derivative markets have predicted the president for the last 32 years. Forget about these polls, markets are the best interpreter of collective information.

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Posted by Joseph di Jersey City, Aug 15, 2008 7:44PM

It's a great point that national polls mean nothing. Apparently, few in the media understand (or are too lazy to describe) how our president is elected. It's all about the electoral college, how each state is winner take all, and how winning a few contested states (e.g. Ohio, etc.) means much more than, for example, whether the Democrat wins by 60% or 80% in states like California.

Jeeze, Gore won the popular vote in 2000 but lost the election - has everyone forgot that and the bitching that followed?

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