Ann Woolner measures the pulse of the masses perfectly with her piece "Sue Them, Jail Them, Make Them Pay for Meltdown" in Bloomberg today. Her commentary sketches everything that is wrong with the last 15 years of the American Capitalist Experiment, and, like a Pokemon episode* to a photosensitive epileptic, leaves the unwashed reader twitching with anti-capitalist convulsions.
As it stands, the rest of us will be paying much money over a long time for the greed and bad judgment of those who melted down the economy.Hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars are propping up firms that a relative few money lenders and Wall Street wizards ruined.
If that weren't enough, the crisis is shrinking the money that Americans diligently socked away for retirement, down payments on first homes, college for the kids or this winter's heating bill. We might as well have opened our windows and tossed out cash.
Beyond crimping living standards around the globe, the crumbling of the U.S. financial system has prompted action radical for a nation devoted to free enterprise. However necessary, it's nothing short of astounding that the U.S. government essentially nationalized the largest insurance company in the country.
* Warning: May cause seizures in epileptics or Lehman employees.
More after the jump.
The degree to which this mirrors the American version of "return entitlement" boggles the mind. Last I checked "greed and bad judgment" were not illegal. Moreover, they are just a 15% jump towards the "good judgment line" away from receiving hero-like status in this culture.
The oft celebrated Warren Buffet is a greedy bastard. So is Bill Gates. That's not up for debate. It is only the "judgment" element of Ms. Woolner's discourse that makes any difference. Considering the rather small number of asset managers who actually beat the broader market, criminalizing bad investment judgement seems like a poor idea to me. But I might be in the minority here. Still, no one was complaining when Lehman returned quarter after quarter of record earnings in 2007.
No one is to blame for your poorly invested and badly diversified retirement losses other than you. If you didn't know that you were getting 8%+ returns in the market because there was some risk of catastrophic loss involved, then you shouldn't have been there in the first place. "...a relative few money lenders and Wall Street wizards..." did not ruin the economy. All of the market participants did with their blind belief that housing prices could only go up. That oil would remain cheap forever. That sovereigns might never lose their taste for subsidizing conspicuous consumption.
I think that the Woolner's and Cox's of the world have it backwards. We shouldn't be restricting short sellers. We should give profits from short sales and puts preferential tax treatment.
The idiot who decided that owning a home was the American Dream actualized to such an extent, and the desire for which was honed to such a keen edge, that we were going to allow people to put down a mere 3% if they joined a government home ownership program is the nimrod that Woolner should be jumping on. (Three guesses who scuttled risk based pricing here).
The corrupt, nepotistic emperor who turned Freddie and Fannie into a cushy slot to drop big campaign contributors and political operatives into as a reward for a job well done should attract Woolner's ire.
You are not entitled to an affordable MacMansion, cheap insurance on a hurricane scarred floodplain, 9% annual returns on your index fund for 40 years in a row or equities that go up but never come down, and as a Bloomberg contributor you really should know this.
Grow up.






Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:00AM
PWNED
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:00AM
All congress or FASB had to do was eliminate the moronic mark to market rules on very illiquid assets and this entire problem goes away.
They never ever ever figure out the law of unintended consequences.
This was caused by over regulation
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:02AM
Make a CDO out of Woolner's article, because that is not greedy
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:09AM
"All congress or FASB had to do was eliminate the moronic mark to market rules on very illiquid assets and this entire problem goes away. "
Because we'd be so much better off with a bunch of zombie banks whose books are clogged up with crap overvalued paper.
There's a reason we spent a good chunk of the last decade laughing at Japan.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:10AM
cramer is a dumbfuck spreading the terrorist shit around. i'm a foreigner and already worried about capital controls. now i might be a small fry in the low 6 figures but think about big money in asia starting to pull out. that'll be fun to watch.
Posted by blndebnker , Sep 19, 2008 10:10AM
Damn EP. Smack that biznatch up.
Posted by girl , Sep 19, 2008 10:14AM
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Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:16AM
well said.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:19AM
if anyone is to blame for this, its the same idiots who got us into this BS in iraq and used their Social Security money to buy nukes: the baby boomers.
worst. generation. ever.
Posted by Debter , Sep 19, 2008 10:19AM
pay your f'ing mortgage poors!
Posted by Henry Ryecroft , Sep 19, 2008 10:20AM
A+++ would read again
Posted by Debter , Sep 19, 2008 10:25AM
also agree w/ #9, but doubt #9 agrees with me
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:25AM
Hey Bess the comment section in the "just putting it out there" post is not working.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:25AM
@9 you are correct sir. this crap about gen x gen y entitlement narcissm whatever drives me nuts. we're probably closer to the pragmatic realists then the BBs could ever hope to be.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:27AM
@10 - this mess goes way beyond poor people you Rush Limbaugh-loving idiot.
Posted by Bess Levin , Sep 19, 2008 10:27AM
@13-- should work now
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:30AM
"Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high."
--GWB 2004 RNC Acceptance Speech
for full text:
http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/campaign/rncspeeches/bush.html
-C
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:35AM
Yeah, well Ann Woolner is like 60 and just getting married for the first time. She's a little slow.
Posted by EconAnalyst , Sep 19, 2008 10:35AM
EP you just lost me.
Quoting from Atlas Shrugged rings too much of high school. I'm jumping ship to Clusterfuck.com or where ever Carney is going.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:36AM
Astringent but worth it. High dudgeon notwithstanding, the home ownership piece struck me as truth-telling. When I read real-estate articles touting new college grads buying up luxury loft condo's on Chicago's Near West Side, I re-allocated my investments out of real estate. Yes, the high returns were unrealistic. But I was reminded of the adage for winning at poker- to double your money, fold it in half and put it in your pocket.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:37AM
Ep what ever happened to business ethics? Forgot about those huh.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:37AM
Climate is what we expect; weather is what we get. What'ya mean the markets aren't always bright 'n shiny?? I PAID for this vacation!
Posted by diablo , Sep 19, 2008 10:40AM
Institutions have a sense of entitlement. That includes GS, MS, banks, etc. They'll keep "hiding" their toxic paper and manipulate the markets to stay afloat. They have friends in high places, Joe Blow doesn't.
But ultimately that strategy can't be sustained. I bet we can all agree on that. Today's short squeeze and options expiration anomaly might be a good time for longs to bail out of their positions. The dollar index is not liking this already, going down.
Lets see where we are one week from now.
Posted by ep , Sep 19, 2008 10:41AM
"Posted by EconAnalyst, Sep 19, 2008 10:35AM
EP you just lost me.
Quoting from Atlas Shrugged rings too much of high school. I'm jumping ship to Clusterfuck.com or where ever Carney is going."
Well, sorry to hear that. Carney will enjoy having you, I know.
(Though I think you read the post before it was properly edited, still, to each his/her own).
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:42AM
@2 --> Exactly.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:48AM
EP, that gave me a boner. And I don't even know what you look like.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:50AM
I really just blame poor people for not paying their mortgages. Let's face it, if you can't pay your mortgage you're a bum. If you're the executive who didn't discriminate between rich people and poor people, you deserve to lose your job. How dare you forget your elitist ways.
I'm going to take the first step in the right direction and spit on a homeless man on my way to buy a suit this afternoon.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:51AM
But at the end of the day, Wall Street is a one way street: make money for your firm and take home a big bonus, loose money and others will cover the losses. So much for Atlas Shrugged. EP?
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 10:58AM
If people are snapping up treasuries like candy, some paying in the negative numbers then why doesn't the government just issue 30 year treasuries at 4% to finance the debt. They've done it before.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:01AM
@2 - you're an idiot. oh so you let these companies carry these illiquid assets on their book at a value that they themselves think is reasonable? that's exactly like Enron booking revenue on its bandwidth trading business when the thing wasn't even operational yet.
i propose that MS and GS get taxed at 85% now since without the government's intervention both would've ceased to exist. we'll call it a survivorship bias tax and if they don't like it, we'll reinstitute short selling.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:07AM
Atlas Shrugged? Thats IS funny, I had thought it went out with Don Johnson and Greed is Good.
If we dont think that Wallstreet and the government had responsilbity for this mess then we are quite deluded.
I think in a country with such vast resoruces as the US everyone is 'entitled' to a roof over their head and 3 squares a day.
What we arent entitled to are $400 bottles of Ketel One, $300 shirts, Maseratis, 1500+ per sq/ft housing, and conspicious consumption. (It is not sour grapes but rather the hypocracy of experience). The disparity of wealth was becoming too great in this nation and when that occurs there always is upheaval [economic, social etc.]. If anything the IB's, banks, 'the street' in general has to realize it was too greedy and should suffer the consequences. Or as we have seen be rescued by a new deal type entity--in which case how dare we/they complain when healthcare, or other government subsidies are given to those who do not have as much.
-C
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:11AM
All of this bailout shit just pisses me off and I get more pissed with each passing day. Reward the greedy and irresponsible, great message to send to younger generations! The government should just let the worthless shit the banks hold go to hell and the homeowners who bought homes they can't afford move to Mexico or back in with their parents. Why should I pay for this shit?
Posted by Debter , Sep 19, 2008 11:13AM
@15, it does now, but it started with subprime, non-investment grade mortgages (read: only mortgages poor people, or rathe,r the ones who really couldn't afford it) being carried on the balance sheet at washed AAA levels (through the ratings agencies using a method of over collateralization). Just pointing out where it began.
It's falling home priced stupid.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:14AM
@21 Business Ethics 101 was only a 1 unit class
Posted by diablo , Sep 19, 2008 11:18AM
@33
Should Cox be asked to resign? If yes, why?
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:22AM
Can't wait for the new formula thats gonna prevent any new securities from doing the same thing.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:26AM
Bravo. More of this EP.
Posted by Debter , Sep 19, 2008 11:28AM
Yes, and Thain bears responsibility (maybe more) too. I also don't agree with all this bailout mess either (from a philosophical point of view).
Why: but because there was a failure of transparency/ oversight. This is what the SEC is tasked to do.
My earlier points are simply to remind people where this started not who's fault it is or what is to be done about. If there had been no decrease in housing prices, we would not in the position were in today. Defaults exacerbated this. But...there was and here we are.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:28AM
So its the fault of those that felt they were entitled to own a home? I think its instead the fault of those who felt compelled to pump the post 2001 economy. Lets face it: what little Bush era prosperity we saw was linked entirely to the housing boom. Absent that, the administration was a total zero. Blaming homeowners for Bush's pump and dump scheme (who could forget "ownership society") is really too much. Good thing it didn't get its hands on social security as well.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:32AM
This Woolner bee-yotch is really quite something. Who should we put in jail? Greenspan? The foreign investors who propped up U.S. asset prices? Franklin Raines? Barney Frank (er, never mind-he'd probebly enjoy it)? This hag should be writing at the Huffington Post, not Bloomberg.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:33AM
@39 see 17
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:47AM
The upgrade from Carney to EP is so immense as to be ridiculous. Not only are EP's writing quality and grammar significantly better, but she actually has cogent arguments and takes real stances. If it means more EP, then good riddance Carney, he was a hack in comparison.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:52AM
EP you conveniently forgot that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates were also philanthropists. And you also ignored the fact that this was not a mere market downturn but the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
"Bad judgment were not illegal." Really? So when a air traffic controller's bad judgment causes disaster, he or she is not responsible? I'm sure as hell not wanting to live your version of capitalist Utopia. The financial terrorism was not committed by the short sellers but laissez-fair fundamentalists like you.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 11:57AM
Equity Private...
When Paulson, Bernacke, and Cox assumed office, they each took an oath, part of which says, "to defend against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic". This is the same oath I took when I was commissioned a Naval Officer long ago, a commission I still have, a commission I'm proud of, a commission I will have till I die, and a commission similar to those held my many millions of other americans.
Whether you like it or not, the current financial crisis is an "enemy", a powerful and dangerous enemy, brought about by powerful and dangerous individuals, and an enemy that if left unchecked would bring the financial system that the entire world looks up to into ruin, into a state of Financial Anarchy.
The enemy is being checked, our defenders are using desparate means, means that everyone doesn't agree with, but means that are being viewed warmly by the financial markets.
Perhaps instead you'd rather see rugged capitalism run its course, and have the world slip into that Financial Anarchy.
Then we can have the Russian criminals, you know, the ones with the black leather jackets, the greasy unwashed hair, the unshaved faces and the bad teeth, yeah those guys running things. The ones buying houses in Greenwich. The ones who'd pull your strings and kill your familes if you didn't do what they said.
Sounds like a much better arrangement, doesn't it?
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:01PM
Who should we put in jail?!?!? Who should carry the burden of belieiving that our friends will help make good?
We have oursevles to blame.
And we are in the jail that we built.
Posted by ep , Sep 19, 2008 12:01PM
"EP you conveniently forgot that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates were also philanthropists."
You prove my point. Their unbridled greed was required to amass the avarice that permits one to be abundantly charitable.
"'Bad judgment were not illegal.' Really? So when a air traffic controller's bad judgment causes disaster, he or she is not responsible?"
OOPS! You blew it. The words "responsible" and "illegal," which you conveniently merged here, are quite distinct. And no, you don't see an ATC employee going to jail for making a bad call on the air. Your weak example was only scuttled quicker by the fact that "responsible" and "illegal" are in your personal thesaurus together.
You better do everything perfectly from now on, or it's off to the Gulag for you! Strict liability and mandatory death sentences for everyone! Hurrah!
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:06PM
"all enemies foreign and domestic"
TGFD I am interested to see how you define enemies
Is an enemy one who wishes inherent harm?
Is an enemy one who is against capitalism?
Is an enemy one that causes a reduction in our standard of living?
Is an enemy one that causes job losses?
Is evolution and enemy, Darwinism?
Or are those that simply look like the bad guys enemies?
If our actions are to based on such definitions I am very curious how one defines this.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:06PM
43, you're trying make this an argument about how much wealthy people give to charity? And if they don't give enough, then they should be locked up? Move back to Russia, and do some research on Fuld's charitable causes before making absurd comparisons. Don't judge anyone's compensation whom you know nothing about, whether it be their intelligence, hard work or career advancement.
As far as the aircraft controller, there is a big difference between gross negligence and simply making a mistake or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The former is punishable, the latter is not.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:06PM
The ghost of Kafka @ #45? Could it be?
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:10PM
EP, nice smackdown of Guy from Delaware's tendentious, Cramer-influenced sermonizing. Keep it up.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:15PM
"Mr Sharkey? He's not at his desk right now, can I take a message?.....You connect the dots; you put the pieces together.
You know I can see two tiny pictures of myself and there's on in each of your eyes."
-William S. Burroughs, "Sharkey's Night"
---#45
@49: I've got a great deal on a quiet peaceful place. You in?
Posted by DS , Sep 19, 2008 12:31PM
Great article, thanks!
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:43PM
Am I the only one or others also think that TGFD is one of the biggest sore-ass losers there are out there.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:48PM
@51,
I'm down 'til I'm underground. Meet me at the cigarette machine.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:48PM
@53: You're not the only one.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:49PM
@53
I agree. The guy from Delaware is a homeless LOSEr. Mofo SOB.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 12:57PM
@53 looks like we have a quorum.
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 1:01PM
@53:
TGFD = Faggot
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 2:10PM
I went to have lunch, Back now.
smackdown@#50...
I don't see any reference to TGFD in ep's #46 entry. Do you? Also, I never listen to or watch Cramer; he's like a cartoon character anyway.
guests@#53 & 55-58...
Quorum?? Why should I give a damn about what you think? Your comments are meaningless.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Sep 19, 2008 2:55PM
@TGFD
"guests@#53 & 55-58...
Quorum?? Why should I give a damn about what you think?"
And yet, you do. Sad.
Posted by guest , Sep 21, 2008 1:22AM
Businesses lose money and go bankrupt every day. Wasteful enterprises need to go bankrupt- our modern, wealthy lives are possible only because markets redirect wealth from less productive enterprises to more productive ones.
If unsuccessful entrepreneurs were punished for making losses, successful entrepreneurs – and our economy – would be destroyed as well. The real criminals are the politicians forcing you to pay for the market’s mistakes. Unfortunately, people like Ann Woolner are only encouraging them to continue to rob us – and cripple the market.