I'm not quite sure how to feel about the letter after the jump, which details the various ways in which Kellogg students embarrassed themselves and threatened to "decrease the value of a Kellogg MBA for [current] and future students" at a recent social function. On the the one hand, "spitting on people"? Seriously? Shouldn't such behavior left to the future business leaders of the world currently being groomed for the job in Cambridge? On the other-- you've at least got to give them credit for being realists, who've clearly resigned themselves to the fact that job prospects post graduation will be nill, and there's really nothing to lose. Looking at it that way, they actually showed remarkable restraint.
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:54 PMTo: class09and10@kellogg.northwestern.edu
Subject: Student Conduct at Social Events
Students,
During our time at Kellogg, we have many opportunities to strengthen the "Kellogg" brand. Our relationships with one another and the time we spend together, both at Jacobs and away from campus, often provide great benefits to students and the school. Unfortunately, there are also times when students' conduct can have a negative impact on the brand. Since CIM Ball, there have been many rumors about what occurred that evening. KSA would like to provide clarification as well as provide a few reminders:
The Field Museum made the decision to shut the bar at CIM Ball down early because of student behavior, NOT because they ran out of alcohol. A few examples of such behavior included:
*Students were throwing things at a historic artifact: Sue, the Tyrannosaurus Rex, which The Field Museum purchased for over $8.3 million
*Students were vomiting on themselves and on the Field Museum Floors
*Students were spitting at people
*Students attempted to smuggle in a substantial amount of alcohol (large trash bins full of bottles and cans and flasks)
*Students passed out in high-traffic areas
*Students arrived at an open bar event already too overserved
While these examples apply to a very small minority of students, it only takes a few negative incidents to tarnish our brand. It is pretty embarrassing that the Field Museum will refuse to host future Kellogg events unless they can treat it like a high school prom, with breathalyzers, high security, and chaperones.
The goal of social and cultural events is to have fun, but a formal event at historical landmarks in Chicago should not be treated as a night out at the Keg. Not only will few venues be willing to host Kellogg events, but this type of behavior can decrease the value of a Kellogg MBA for us and future students.
We ask that you bear this message in mind at future social, cultural, and recruiting events, and that you treat students, event organizers, and the host property with respect.
Thank you,
Andrea
____________________________________________________________
Andrea Hanson
Vice President - Social & Cultural
Kellogg Student Association
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:23AM
i was admitted to kellogg in '08 but instead decided to pursue dual degrees in clowning and juggling
good or bad decision?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:24AM
"overserved" - thats a new one.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:25AM
memo to roubini:
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
And go back to herding goats in the home country, asshole.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:31AM
they probably went to state schools for undergrad... or Cornell... noobs...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:31AM
they probably went to state schools for undergrad... or Cornell... noobs...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:32AM
I heard Enron is the only firm still interested in Kellogg grads.
Posted by chad , Oct 23, 2008 9:37AM
Yea, I spit at people. So what. I thought this was America. This isn't America?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:38AM
More proof that money can't buy class. Pathetic.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:40AM
T-Rex Sue needs to merge with crown royal in order to remain viable.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:41AM
@5,
I'd agree with the Cornell comment, but that would imply that Cornell kids drink. Examples of poor Cornell alumni conduct at a museum would be pointing out curator inaccuracies in the lizard exhibit and dressing the Australopithicus in Star Wars Sith Lord costume.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:41AM
i heard they broke a $1mm projector too
Posted by chad , Oct 23, 2008 9:43AM
I was spitting at Sue the dinosaur. You can't just go ahead and make that two separate incidents.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:43AM
Thats amazing. Usually when you reach the age when alchohol becomes legal you start drinking less of it. Just human nature. Oh wait, that only applies when said alchohol isn't free.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:44AM
No one is more desperate that a full-time MBA student.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:44AM
@10 Cornell guy from The Office?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:45AM
Glad I went to Barber college.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 9:46AM
What kind of party was this. Is the school that big? Even the entire student body plus guests wouldn't fill a wing of the Field Museum (of which btw the whats his name guy from Citadel is a big benefactor). Sounds like outside agitators. Maybe from U Chicago. Or Cornell.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:00AM
Kenny and I like Sue. None of you douches will be able to find a job in Chicago.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:00AM
Kellogg! oh man, the name just sounds so ___________
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:06AM
It's the second best school in town anyway.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:10AM
Should have let those punks see the Tsavo lions. Even today, if you look into their eyes, you'll be afraid.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:11AM
@19 grrrrrrrrreat!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:23AM
this is what happens when b schools keep bringing their students' average age down.....Kids straight out of college or with 12-18 months work exp.are bound to act up....
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:30AM
@19 coooooooooooornflakes!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:30AM
so who is going to be the first person to email the class of 09 and 10 graduates
Posted by Riskybusiness , Oct 23, 2008 10:36AM
@10 You went to MIT didn't you......
Posted by blndebnker , Oct 23, 2008 10:39AM
Lighten up, Andrea. What do you expect to happen at an open bar?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:40AM
maybe the Kellogg students were so stressed out after that grueling 3 quarter course "The Time Value of Money". Math is so hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:41AM
maybe the Kellogg students were so stressed out after that grueling 3 quarter course "The Time Value of Money". Math is so hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:42AM
@17 Ken and Anne Griffin are big benefactors of the ART INSTITUTE where they've donated over $20MM to build the Modern Wing, and lent about $50-100MM in art to display in it.
nice try
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:42AM
maybe the Kellogg students were so stressed out after that grueling 3 quarter course "The Time Value of Money". Math is so hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:42AM
I heard the same thing happened at the University of Chicago. And by the same thing, I mean masturbating all over an efficient markets textbook and wondering what it would be like to be able to talk to other human beings.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:45AM
I'm Kellogg 09 and I was at the function in a dark corner jerking off. Then I blew my load in a beer cup and then tossed it on the T-rex. there is some of my dried up cum on that bitch now.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:46AM
maybe the Kellogg students were so stressed out after that grueling 3 quarter course "The Time Value of Money". Math is so hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:53AM
I'm Kellogg 09 and I was at the function in a dark corner jerking off. Then I blew my load in a beer cup and then tossed it on the T-rex. there is some of my dried up cum on that bitch now.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 10:53AM
30 Oops. Thanks for that correction. Field Museum is the science museum right? The clue should have been Tyrannosaurus Rex, which would never be in an art museum. Obviously my mind is on other things. BTW: Art Institute is magnificent. Kenny G. and wife are putting their money to good use.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:00AM
@32 - I'm a Sloan grad coming to the defense of Chicago nerds - I'd hire Chicago grad 10 times of 10 when compared with a Kellogg alum. My fund hired a Kellogg grad two years ago... he couldn't read a statement of cash flows.
Kellogg is a marketing school. Kellogg alums are great for figuring out which toy Cheerios should put in its box... or how to push pharmaceuticals to doctors over a meal at Applebees. Worse yet, their alums are more pretentious than a Harvard MBA...
Write back when someone at Northwestern makes 1/100th the contribution of Chicago... (or 1/10000th of Sloan). In the meantime, go back cold calling for insurance sales.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:03AM
$8.3 million? At what value would it be considered appropriate to spit on it?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:08AM
@37 -- Sloan?? You mean the school for socially retarded engineers who couldn't get into Chicago?
And shouldn't you be busy working through your inferiority complex with HBS?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:09AM
@37 Or maybe you write to us when whatever company you work for isn't tanking.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:12AM
tsk, tsk, @32 - so sensitive. i wouldn't talk to you because you'd probably not be able to participate in the conversation.
on the upside, you can probably hold @33's beer cup for him.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:16AM
tsk, tsk, @32 - so sensitive. i wouldn't talk to you because you'd probably not be able to participate in the conversation.
on the upside, you can probably hold @33's beer cup for him.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:16AM
@37
You know. You shouldn't be so schmuck in the crowd of HBS graduates (me). So maybe you might want to stick a Jedi Lightstick up your dilated ass
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:17AM
to be fair dinosaurs are scary
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:19AM
43 Wouldn't brag about it. Its common knowledge that HBS grads are thinkers, not doers. So big on the consultants hire and consumer goods lists. Ever ask one to get something done? They'll spout theory, but havent a clue on how to make it happen.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:20AM
Everyone seems so angry today. Here, look at this and just get depressed instead:
http://tinyurl.com/558bbd
Lets hope we have jobs to complain about after three more years of writedowns...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:22AM
@43
W? Is that you? You can keep the Jedi Lightstick toy I gave you for your birthday. Nice grammar, BTW.
Posted by FUNdamental , Oct 23, 2008 11:23AM
I think andrea has some valid points. They should certainly be passing out in low traffic areas and not obstructing others path to the bar, that's just selfish. Also I'd like clarification on the sue situation....what objects were being thrown? If empty cans and other light metallic objects, perhaps they were assisting with holiday decorations? Tis nearly the season afterall. I am deeply troubled by one thing though. These are our best and brightest and they can't figure a way to get extra alcohol past barney fife at the front door???? WTF? Looks like they are destined for bofa, higher standards, lower results (see mcmuffin, egg for clarification).
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:26AM
48 I'm wondering about the extra alchohol thing. Its like bringing vodka to the prom. Why is that necessary for adults. Was what they had truly not flowing fast enough? Maybe they just had wine and beer?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:26AM
@11 hahahahahaahahahahaha
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:30AM
@37 ... yes Kellogg is a marketing school (which I did not attend) ... UofC is a quant / economic school ... I hate to state the obvious, but wasn't it the legions of 'rocket scientist math nerds' that thought up the shit that got us in this mess in the first place??
Marketing is at the core of business -- if you can't sell it, there will be NO CASH FLOW statement to read ... ask Eddie Lampert how well Sears and K-mart are doing ... there's only so much 'financial engineering' will fix
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:34AM
#37 Shouldn't you be hanging out with your friends in your parents' basement? Is it post-hibernation period already?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:37AM
What are all you ivy MBAs doing trolling DB during working hours? Your funds getting redemption notices 'cause your programs & models tanked? Looking for jobs and stopping by DB to brag on your degrees?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:40AM
@51 - You're right. Quants caused this. Nice catch. You have a bright future in a job with your name on your shirt.
@53 - MBA's don't create models/programs. Quants have backgrounds in hard sciences, which B-school definitely isn't.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:50AM
@7 - you're a goddamn genius
By the by, I was under the impression that attending a bucket shop like Kellogg was embarrassment enough
Posted by DrederickTatum , Oct 23, 2008 11:55AM
@37 - I agree. I've said many times here at Dealbreaker: There are only three real business schools: Wharton, MIT and Chicago. (alright maybe stanford too). Everything else is a country club (especially HBS).
@53 - It's sad, but that is probably exactly what is happening.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 11:57AM
@28, 29, 31
Posting's hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 12:21PM
This email is a copy of an almost identical email sent out about Stanford GSB students, except that places and other details are altered.
Either both emails are fake, or someone really has it for Kellogg and decided to use the Stanford email to make them look bad.
Here's the original Stanford email that was from 2006
http://www.bankersball.com/2006/12/13/stanford-gsbers-behaving-badly/
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 12:21PM
Business school: When the going get tough... hurry up and take the gmat because the world feels a lot safer when you go back to school.
95% of the kids cranking out their mba will never amount to anything more than middle management. The same can be said about most of the kids in law school. Instead of racking up another 6 figures in debt why don't you brats go make some money??
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 12:24PM
59 Cause if they didnt go they would end up in lower management. Its like college used to be.
Posted by Phobos , Oct 23, 2008 12:31PM
@59 Don't knock Law School. Wait..
"Well, you certainly made it very clear how your legal system works Mr. Young. Now, I'd like to explain a little bit about the Peter Blunt system. You see, I don't go in for lawsuits and motions or any of the legal stuff. No, no, you see what happens is, uh, I find out where you live and then I come to your house, see? And, I beat down your door with a fu**ing baseball bat! And, then I'm gonna make a bonfire with the Chipendale. Maybe roast that Golden Retriever, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, then eat it! And, then I'm coming upstairs, junior, and I'm gonna grab you by your Brooks Bros. P.J.s, and then I'm gonna take your brand new B.M.W., and cram it up your tight ass! Do we have an understanding!?"
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 12:45PM
@60 If they weren't so inept when it comes to making money they wouldn't have to settle for lower/middle management [read: I hate life] career path.
The only way I go back to school is if daddy is paying for it. All of the morons taking out 100k in loans to be back in school have no concept of debt. That's the reason they'll never amount to shit, because they're fucking retarded.
An mba, or a fucking jd for that matter doesn't mean shit anymore. Employers know that most of these schools are simply diploma factories after your $$... but hey, go ahead and do what makes you feel secure... cowards.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 12:51PM
those Kellogg students must have been stressed out from that grueling 3 quarter course "The Time Value of Money". Math is so hard!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 1:04PM
guys... just let these kids drown their sorrows... $250k down the toilet in fees and opportunity cost..!
Getting trashed and kicked out of a museum is the least of their worries..! B-School and their codes of ethics and blah, blah, blah blah...
Seriously, will this tarnish the Kellog brand.. highly unlikely..! get a grip, party hard and have a fling with all the married men..!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 1:07PM
@63
You can't possibly be serious with the 2 hour+ quadruple post.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 1:25PM
This story is entirely one-sided. Only AFTER the spitting began did people ask not to be spat-upon....after which, more than 1/2 the people stopped spitting. Further, there were no visible signs prohibiting people from throwing objects at the dinosaur.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 1:27PM
This story is entirely one-sided. Only AFTER the spitting began did people ask not to be spat-upon....after which, more than 1/2 the people stopped spitting. Further, there were no visible signs prohibiting people from throwing objects at the dinosaur.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 1:30PM
Listen....only AFTER the spitting began did people ask not to be spat-upon....after which, more than 1/2 the people stopped spitting. Further, there were no visible signs prohibiting people from throwing objects at the dinosaur. Be fair.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 2:04PM
I bet the Stanford and Kellogg emails are both real. The similarities are due to b-school similarities, not fakery. B-school does draw its share of shitheads. The surprising part is that they can't hold their liquor better.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 2:52PM
I'm a Kellogg student right now, and all I can say is that Andrea is an idiot for sending this e-mail out in the first place. She alone did more towards "tarnishing" Kellogg's reputation than the poor kid that puked on himself before passing out.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 2:56PM
What are you talking about #70. The e-mail is fake...let me guess, you got rejected by Kellogg.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 2:56PM
What are you talking about #70. The e-mail is fake...let me guess, you got rejected by Kellogg.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 3:24PM
I graduated 10 years ago and Kellogg parties were never this good. The school just keeps on improving.....
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 3:27PM
I graduated 10 years ago and Kellogg parties were never this good. The school just keeps on improving.....
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 3:55PM
http://www.bankersball.com/2006/12/13/stanford-gsbers-behaving-badly/
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 3:55PM
The worst thing we ever did during my time at Kellogg was get plastered and desecrate a few graves near campus. And we did steal the UofC's mascot once. What a hoot! But we got nuthin' on these industrious kids. Points for the sheer audacity of bringing in barrels of drink.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 3:59PM
Can confirm that this email is real and that Andrea was foolish to send it...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 4:09PM
The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. [winks at Dean Wormer] But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 4:58PM
Do you really think Andrea sent this e-mail unilaterally? Would it be better to sweep this under the rug completely instead of intervening and making people aware that they are acting like idiots?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 5:30PM
I graduated from HBS years (decades) ago. My advice to any schools that find themselves in this predicament: Print out 1000 pages and stick it in people's mailboxes (do those still exist?), because there's less chance that the e-mail will land in a blog like Dealbreaker. There are better, more effective, more discreet ways of communicating the points of the e-mail without risking embarassment. With that said, I'll hire a Kellogg kid anyday bc/ all of you are smart (or else you wouldn't be near a top 20 univeristy), so at that point I just want to hire someone that's fun and smart.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 5:46PM
If that is indeed your goal #80, then you would have swung and missed at two balls
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2008 7:23PM
I agree with #80 that the letter should have been put in mailboxes instead of over e-mail. Everyone who went to bschool knows there are always those few bad apples who were probably the biggest losers all their lives and had no social life in college and try to overcompensate and make up for their insecurities by pulling crap like this in business school. It's definitely not a reflection on all Kellogg students.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 10:51AM
@46 has a frightening graph... is that for real?
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 11:07AM
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1239841,CST-NWS-field24.article
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 11:35AM
sounds like a hell of a party. wish i was there.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 11:55AM
Wow. If America's future in the business world is reflected by the people who are both the topic of the story and posting comments, Lets all hope for a total global economic collapse. Scrape the slate clean and hope that Bird Flu mutates into pandemic proportions.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 12:28PM
I see nothing has changed at B-schools in the 20 years since I graduated. Academics mean nothing - it's all about who you know and party with.
I was a straight-laced student who tried to avoid most of the alcohol-fueled B-school social scene, graduated at the top of my class, and got shut out of the elite job market.
Academics mean nothing beyond the admission process at B-schools - it's just a 6-figure country club where you go to kiss asses to get ahead.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 12:51PM
@37 I share your experience with Kellogg grads. I lead recruiting for a large consulting firm in Chicago and I refuse to interview Kellogg grads anymore. We made the mistake of hiring Kellogg grads, assuming that we didn't need to test their knowledge of how to read an income statement or balance sheet, or how to present value a stream of cash flows -- things every first-year B-school student ought to know, let alone one from a so-called top-tier scool like Kellogg. Lucky for us, we learned from our mistake and have not been back to Kellogg for the last ten years. The quality of the product from Kellogg is very inconsistent, and the school in my opinion is highly overrated.
This incident reinforces my belief that Kellogg students are there for a VACATION, not an EDUCATION.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 2:06PM
@88
A large consulting firm for who? Before you start smearing people, who are you representing as last I checked the big 3 are still happily hiring from there. I'm sure this isn't a proud moment for the school, but gross generalizations without substance don't help the issue either.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 2:10PM
@88
A large consulting firm for who? Before you start smearing people, who are you representing as last I checked the big 3 are still happily hiring from there. 10 years is a long time to hold a grudge, good businesses re-evaluate their positions and have clearly found different than you.
I'm sure this isn't a proud moment for the school, but gross generalizations without substance don't help the issue either.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 2:15PM
@88
A large consulting firm for who? Before you start smearing people, who are you representing as last I checked the big 3 are still happily hiring from there. 10 years is a long time to hold a grudge, good businesses re-evaluate their positions and have clearly found different than you.
I'm sure this isn't a proud moment for the school, but gross generalizations without substance don't help the issue either.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 2:44PM
#88
Absolutely ALL tier 1 and tier 2 consulting firms recruit at Kellogg. Name the firm or at least define large. Or is it you and your brother in parents' basement?
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 4:09PM
@88: I can't imagine how large your "consulting" firm is, but what I can tell you is that any and every consulting company of note recruits at Kellogg and in fact in numbers larger than those of other peer schools. Maybe by large consulting firm in Chicago you really mean small accounting firm in Batavia, IL.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 6:56PM
I was there and let me tell you that the dinosaur was kind of rude
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 6:57PM
I was there and i can testify that the one that started the fight was the dinosaur
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 7:52PM
Why don't you all just own up to the fact that any one who attends a top ten MBA school is and always will be a nerd. Nerds arguing over which one is more nerdy is just lame. Get over yourselves.
Posted by guest , Oct 24, 2008 11:16PM
And good luck with the job hunt.
Wasn't it you MBA types that fuckered us into this mess in the first place?
It's not too late to go to law school though, plenty of jobs there now.
Or grief counseling...
Posted by guest , Oct 25, 2008 3:31AM
Bess Levin wrote: "to the fact that job prospects post graduation will be nill..." Of course, she meant 'nil." I am not being picky. This is the problem with our country and our economy. Comment to thomas523@comcast,net I want you to respond to me personally, Bess.
Posted by guest , Oct 25, 2008 3:31AM
Bess Levin wrote: "to the fact that job prospects post graduation will be nill..." Of course, she meant "nil." I am not being picky. This is the problem with our country and our economy. Comment to thomas523@comcast,net I want you to respond to me personally, Bess.
Posted by guest , Oct 25, 2008 3:32AM
Bess Levin wrote: "to the fact that job prospects post graduation will be nill..." Of course, she meant "nil." I am not being picky. This is the problem with our country and our economy. Comment to thomas523@comcast,net I want you to respond to me personally, Bess.
Posted by guest , Oct 25, 2008 2:43PM
You are the kind of losers that no one should hire! Times are tough, FUCK YOU. Use your minds...you pussies....sry, or dikes.
Posted by guest , Oct 25, 2008 2:47PM
Our country, our economy...that says it all. No brains. Pls, pls send me your CV(hey Asher, what a CV?)
Posted by guest , Oct 26, 2008 3:23PM
@70 and @77 - Allow me to paraphrase your take on this: "We behaved badly, Andrea called us out on it, the press overhead, and now we are in trouble. The real problem here is that Adrea called us out." Excellent analysis of the situation. Your ability to get the the root of the problem, is illustrative of kind of analytical thinking learned at elite business institutions.
Not sure if you are detecting my sarcasm here - If I'm laying it on pretty thick, that's because I am not confident you pick up on subtlety.
Posted by guest , Oct 26, 2008 5:25PM
careers are being set back 5 years for this night of stupidity.........the emails are in the wind and this will haunt some people who are discovering invitations can be canceled.
Oh well, on the other hand, an MBA is about a decade out of fashion.
Posted by guest , Oct 26, 2008 5:27PM
careers are being set back 5 years for this night of stupidity.........the emails are in the wind and this will haunt some people who are discovering invitations can be canceled.
Oh well, on the other hand, an MBA is about a decade out of fashion, and you can always be an Army of One.
Posted by guest , Oct 26, 2008 5:48PM
At least I'm housebroken
Posted by guest , Oct 26, 2008 6:25PM
@87
Waaaannnhhhh. "Shut out"?, I think you must mean 'out-competed'; networking and personality do count for something. I studied in a couple of different continents and the last time I checked, a balance of numeric aptitude and personality were what firms sought.
Ofcourse, I think you could probably just load-up y'er guns into the 1978 Ford and head to the hills with #105 and his (male I presume)alter ego #106; ofcourse, the "Army of One" may not accept passengers...
Posted by guest , Oct 27, 2008 5:11PM
Those submitting comments certainly cement the view in the real world of consultants as arrogant, over-confident and greedy. Now all markets have tanked. Who else will appreciate your special character traits?
Keep working on that MBA
(More Bitterness Ahead)
Posted by guest , Nov 03, 2008 1:09PM
Folks, all of this discussion about one b-school being better than another is nonsense -- B-schools main purpose is to provide access to a network of smart, well-connected, and/or wealthy people. B-school, no matter which one, does not allow one to concentrate enough on a single subject such that anyone would come out as super competent in anything. Any masters program in something specific will be better than any MBA from a skill/knowledge viewpoint.
Also, the comments about reading a balance sheet and income statement are comical. People who think this is either 1) difficult or 2) important should go learn a useful skill instead of wasting time reviewing and "analyzing" financial statements. If the latest economic debacle has shown us anything, it has demonstrated that stock prices are driven by supply and demand. Understanding the characteristics that drive supply/demand is interesting, but I would hire an economist, not an MBA for that.
Further, the only thing that really matters is cash in the bank and cash flow, and I can assure you that anyone in business school can understand these concepts.
Finally, to claim that people being drunk and disorderly is unique to one program -- that is laughable. The only item of note is the level of stupidity of a person from Kellogg acknowledging the event.