BlackRock Adjusts Voting Rights (FT)
BlackRock has exercised its prerogative to adjust voting rights, downsizing Merrill's influence from 49.5% to 4.9%, which is in effect BlackRock saying "Please go away, you're not welcome here any longer." In its void the firm has moved PNC Financial Services, which has 33% ownership in the company, to 47% voting rights.
Madoff scheme touches schools (Greenwich Time)
How will future Noel generations get into these "public schools" now? Damn you, Madoff. Damn you to hell.
Two Greenwich private schools and a Stamford-based Hebrew school are among the hundreds of nonprofit organizations across the country that were partly funded by foundations invested in Bernard Madoff's allegedly fraudulent fund.The three schools last year received nearly a quarter of a million dollars from The Valerie and Jeffrey S. Wilpon Foundation, a charity co-founded by Greenwich resident Jeffrey Wilpon, chief operating officer of the New York Mets.
The foundation is run as a charitable arm of Sterling Equities Inc., a Great Neck, N.Y.-based investment firm where Wilpon serves as executive vice president. That firm, which was founded by Wilpon's father, Fred Wilpon, was allegedly swindled by Madoff, perhaps out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
In fiscal year 2007, the foundation donated more than $227,000 to Greenwich Country Day School, a private school where Wilpon serves on the board, according to a recent tally compiled based on foundation tax returns.
Wilpon's foundation also gave $15,000 to the Brunswick School.
US Shores GMAC With $6B (Reuters)
The deal is $5B in senior preferred, at 8% plus $1B to GM to help GMAC through transition in to a bank holding company.
Ford's Answer To The Auto Crisis (AP)
Now your American Made Car can self park: because you just can't be bothered.
The Government Should Stick To Governing (Bloomberg)
The funniest part of accepting federal money has to be watching the congressional leaders that think they're in charge of it tell you how you should spend it; their years in banking have affording them a certain experience in dealing with financial crisis most bank presidents wouldn't have.
Daily Borrowing From Emergency Funds Down (AP)
The AP has numbers that suggest daily emergency borrowing is down on average of $1.9B a day to $86.3B.
Airlines Saving Cash (WSJ)
As goes fuel so goes the airlines - and now that the price of oil has dropped, they're taking every opportunity to hedge and raise capital.
IMF Calling For More Global Action (FT)
"Across-the-board tax cuts or bail-outs of troubled industries such as the automotive sector are likely to waste government money while doing little to stimulate the global economy, the International Monetary Fund warned on Monday."
The IMF is making a valid point; anymore the economy is the US isn't based solely (or even by majority) on the happenings inside the US, but they're missing something very, very important: US voters don't understand that.
All they see is that "my tax dollars" are going out the window - but in reality, it wasn't or isn't their tax money. It's the federal government's tax money. Moreover, you never saw or had access to it, you couldn't ever touch it: you have no claim to those funds.
Nevertheless, it isn't going to happen: we're not sending money oversees when Americans are losing jobs.
The Blagojevich Tapes (AP)
"Federal prosecutors are asking a court to allow lawmakers investigating Gov. Rod Blagojevich to hear tapes of four potentially incriminating phone calls the governor had with a lobbyist."
Blagojevich's attorney has been playing down the significance of the audio tapes, but that's his job: I don't see how "Blagojevich conspiring with a lobbyist to collect a campaign contribution in exchange for the governor signing gambling legislation" could be insignificant.
--William Richards






Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 8:54AM
Democracy as it was known in the US has already broken down because a numerical majority no longer pays any taxes. A super majority pays less than 10% of all taxes.
So the normal incentives have gone out ot the window. Hell I would TOTALLY vote to have more and more of other people's money spent on me - what is the constraint there?
It was a nice experiment while it lasted.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:05AM
@1
Too true ... sadly.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:05AM
fucktard, you seem to think property taxes, fica, gas taxes, etc etc are not taxes
kindly go fuck your retarded ass back to the rush limbo show
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:10AM
@3
Little boy, I figure retard is a word you're very attached to. You sure use it a lot.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:11AM
@3
I bet you have a gun rack on the back of your pickup.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:16AM
Confirmed
Posted by Anal_yst , Dec 30, 2008 9:17AM
@3
What, you think the bottom 75% pay an equal amount of property, sales, etc, etc taxes?
In other news, wonder what the NPV on the Ford "automatic-parking" system is, I'm thinking (100m) at best.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:20AM
haha, Brunswick School is such a joke
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:26AM
Maybe because I am not American but I am really confused about this whole obsession with paying as little taxes as possible. I mean, public schools'quality are strongly correlated with value of houses in the area. This means that there is already an advantage to those who can afford to live in Weschester County as opposed to Flatbush. So in essence, one should be proud to pay taxes since it shows that they have made it. Let's be honest with oneself, does anybody actually want to switch position with someone in the lower tax brackets?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:33AM
The next person who calls FICA a 'tax' (and a regressive one on that) needs to jump off the roof.
It is a forced savings scheme (actually a ponzi scheme) where the money comes back to you inversely indexed to income. How on earth is it a tax?
And this was the first time that I paid attention to the insurance premiums during benefits enrollment and guess what? Even medical insurance premiums are inversely indexed to income!
The country is truly on the path to socialism. Everyone and his uncle getting bailed out, government 'stakes' in everything. Had all the debt not been dollar denominated, the printing presses would have been meaningless and this would have been Zimbabwe.
Posted by Finnegan , Dec 30, 2008 9:33AM
Automatic parking saves millions of hours in productivity while reducing parking accidents, thus enhancing the economy. It's the type of innovative change that will keep us one step ahead of Iceland and Russia in future quality of life. Take that Japanese!!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:36AM
@10, if I had any control of where my tax dollars were spent, I would have less issue with paying them.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:37AM
#10, get some lessong in economics and stuff like that. You are too uninformed and naive for any explanations on a discussion board.
The issue is not with paying less taxes. The issue is with coercive extortion of money by others. I may chose to live in a studio or a penthouse but the catchphrase is 'I MAY CHOSE.' I do not want the government to tax me, build government housing (whether better or worse that my current tenement) and then force me to live there.
That is called freedom. Yes, it might be difficult for you to comprehend it.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:41AM
@10. So you think the goverment has a right to confiscate over 50% of what you make? People seem to forget that private enterprise can exist without the government, but government cannot exist without priavte enterprise.
You also seem to forget that correlation does not equal causation. People with higher incomes place a much higher value on education than the lumpenproles do. I grew up in a poor, single parent household. I went to a public high school where one kid was killed when he bled to death after having his throat slit. Another was shot in the face. The SWAT team came multiple times for race riots. I had to fight at least twice a week. My father would fucking kill me if I did not do well in school.
Guess what? I went on to become valedictorian of my undergrad class, after paying for college myself. Sorry to tell you, but property values have ZERO to do with the quality of an education you receive in a public school. The fact is that wealthy people value education, therefore the "better" schools simply reside in an environment where education is valued more. It all starts at home. If you put a kid in the "best" school, with parents that don't give a shit, you get shit. No amount of wealth or tax dollars will ever change that. End of story.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:41AM
yeah, 14 I just don't understand. "I may chose", it that a new verb tense...Man, they didn't teach me that one in ESL!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:45AM
ok typo nazi @15, anything else you care to point out?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:46AM
@10
Retirees forced out the homes that they have lived in for years because they can't afford the taxes that go to those schools?
Doesn't sound like freedom to me, more like legalized extortion.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:48AM
@5 It seems to me the guy in a pickup with a gun rack in the back is more likely to agree with #1 rather than #3.
What about a gunrack and a pickup implies a lower tax bracket and a desire for a socialist welfare state? I'm genuinely curious about your logic - let me know.
Further, why even bring yourself down to the level of #3, who is obviously an idiot with no class?
Regards,
-Full-size pickup driving (no gun rack), highest tax bracket paying, middle-class American who would rather his taxes actually be used for schools and roads.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:50AM
@17 The issue you mentioned is a serious one that will only get worse in the years to come. However how can it be solved? Lower school taxes, hence depriving schools of resources they need?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:50AM
10 = idiot who thinks anyone under 55 will collect on FICA and the medicare tax
No wonder we have so many unemployed "finance" people in this country....
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:51AM
@15, you have addressed the wrong person. How ironic of you to comment on someone else's "stupidity."
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:51AM
@ 14 do you mean valedictorian of High School not undergrad class?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:54AM
Can't we all get along?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:56AM
@23 commie.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:56AM
All the thread references are messed up because of little boys comment, which has been deleted, that use to exist between @5 and @6
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:56AM
@22, nope. I graduated 3rd in high school behing two Indian math geniuses that went to MIT. One now is a rocket scientist, and I believe the other one is an intelligence analyst.
@18, please explain how you are in the highest tax bracket, yet are "middle class."
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:57AM
It really irritates me to see that my tax dollars are given to Israel to kill innocent civilians. That money would be better off by building roads and schools right here in the US. Let Madoff people pay their own way!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:58AM
@Dealbreaker: What in the everliving fuck does this mean:
"All they see is that "my tax dollars" are going out the window - but in reality, it wasn't or isn't their tax money. It's the federal government's tax money."
Where do you think tax dollars come from? The Money Fairy? The government can get money in exactly two ways: taxes or the printing press. (Okay, okay, they can also lease oilfields and stuff like that. Inconsequential.) Taxes come from earnings of non-government workers, be they Joe Schmoe down at the plant or Joseph Shmoeman the Third who owns it. Printing money reduces its purchasing power and is, in essence, a tax on all the money outside government coffers, so that's "my tax money" again. It's collectively our tax money. There's no other place for it to come from.
@10: FICA is a tax. The government takes the money and spends it. The fact that it's allegedly allocated to some future payout scheme is irrelevant, because that's not where it goes. It goes right into the general fund and gets spent, with a corresponding "debt" entered into the government's account that maybe they'll do something about someday.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:59AM
@25- are you blind? the comment is still there. the comment that was deleted was the one using the 'n' word.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 9:59AM
I'm a proponent of an Aldous Huxley "Brave New World" like society, complete with drugs and scheduled procreation.
-phobos.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:00AM
I find it amusing how DB deletes "racist" posts referring to blacks, hispanics, etc., yet allows all the "Jew" references people can dish out. Please allow ALL racist comments to be posted.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:03AM
@31, no. remove all racist comments instead.
Posted by Finnegan , Dec 30, 2008 10:05AM
Tax dollars come from China and whomever else is floating us.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:06AM
@26...that's an unsolved mystery to me as well. Looks like "middle class" has lsot its meaning and turned into a cath-all phrase favored by politicians lookign to get as many votes as possible.
From nurse aides to owners of small businesses, everyone think they are middle class!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:07AM
@ 24 LMAO
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:08AM
@29. 'n' comment was exactly what I was referring to. The 'n' comment which was @5 was deleted.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:08AM
@31- you're an idiot. DB has deleted anti-sem comments, but there have obviously been too many of them to keep up with in recent weeks.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:09AM
@34 Even the Noels!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:10AM
@26 I think most people think they're in a higher class than they really are. If you ask someone in middle America that makes $100k a year, they'd probably tell you they were upper class. I'd disagree by a long shot.
We bring in more than that, but less than 500k per year, and have what I would consider a pretty middle-class lifestyle: 1 house, 1 truck, 1 car, 1 kid in public schools, 2 dogs, 1 adult democrat, 1 adult libertarian, not a lot of extra each month (we eat out when we want and vacation, but not at Necker Island), no gunrack, and a low 6-figure net worth excluding RE.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:12AM
@9 which was @10
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/08/EvilConcealedByMoney.htm
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:13AM
@34, @39:
Most people call themselves middle class: people who don't make a lot, and people who do. Ask any pollster: from Pew:
Some 53% of adults in America say they are middle class. But within this self-defined middle class, there are notable economic and demographic differences. For example, four-in-ten Americans with incomes below $20,000 say they are middle class, as do a third of those with incomes above $150,000
http://pewsocialtrends.org/pubs/706/middle-class-poll
Barack Obama says you are "upper class" if your household income is >$250,000. Maybe that is the case in Kansas, but in the tri-state area, that is "middle class" at best.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:14AM
Ya gotta love the First Amendment.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:16AM
Hey 39
WGAF
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:17AM
@42- if you're interested in exercising your first amendment rights, go start your own blog where you can spew your racist garbage whenever yo ulike, instead of complaining about how you're not allowed to leave it on a site not owned by you but at which you are merely a guest. spare us the invoking of the constitution.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:18AM
@18
@5 here.
You're right. Sterotypes do not work ...
However, I'm quite disturbed to discover that I was never in the middle class. Upper middle class? I (we) sure don't feel that way.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:19AM
@40... So what would you prefer? That the old lady doesn't mow her lawn and then weeds invade the entire neighborhood? Then it might be best to pay 40$ than take the risk, no? Because a badly-tended lawn will be more costly in the end for all the neighbors as it cheapens the area's appeal and then house values will lower by cerntaily more than 40$.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:20AM
@42 - 26 asked, I guess they GAF.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:21AM
@18
@5 here.
You're right. Stereotypes do not work ...
However, I'm quite disturbed to discover that I was never in the middle class. Upper middle class? I (we) sure don't feel that way.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:23AM
You gotta love them folks at Ford;grand announcement to introduce - tada - a self parking Lincoln MKS and MKT - woowoo! That'll save 'em!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:25AM
@ 44 you got it bass ackward.
I'm sure that Amendment was created to ID the idiots without a test.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:25AM
@39, I am assuming that you are #18? Regardless, the income level required to be in the highest tax bracket is $350k/ year. That is above middle class regardless of where you live in this country. I am having difficulty reconciling your two comments.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:27AM
Hey Bess what are you going to do with all the IP addresses you collect?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:28AM
@46
The problem is with all good intentions your $40 may never get spent on the old ladys lawn. That was your intent but rarely the reality.
It doesn't just stop at mowing the lawn...
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:36AM
-53
but ins't that another issue?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:36AM
@40
too George, didn't Mason
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:41AM
not with the subject however, just heard Bertha Coombs on CNBC use the overused phrase "The devil is in the details". If I hear that again I swear vomit will hit my computer. I may have come from the same place as "going forward" ....bet someone from CNBC thought.....gee, this is cute.
Posted by miami , Dec 30, 2008 10:42AM
I'm upset we don't send Israel more $$$ so they can continue killing terrorists.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:42AM
#27, tax payer dollars argument taken but innocent civilians?
The strikes were as surgical as surgical can get given that the terrorists intentionally set up their bases and rocket launching sites amongst civilians for cover.
Even in that, 85% of their hits were on non-civilians. And yet you choose to only highlight the 'innocent civilian' casualties?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:44AM
@51 - You are correct. I understand the problem, we have different definitions of the middle and upper classes. I'm sure the definition you chose is official and from a reputable source, though, and do not dispute it.
As soon as I close on a VLJ, vineyard in S. France, 50+ foot yacht, pay off a car loan, or even acquire a netjet membership, I'll personally upgrade my status to upper class and act suitably snooty.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:46AM
@57:
AMEN!
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:46AM
58...frankly speaking,we really have no clue since Israel won't let journalists in the Gaza strip. While I am sure a few Hamas guys got killed, it pains me to believe that the majority of the 360 victims were terrorists just by following your own argument that hte Hamas is using civilians as cover.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:49AM
57= Hyman Roth
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:53AM
It's a fact that the majority of the "victims" (i.e., murderers) are terrorists. Considering that Hamas is a terrorist organization, using their own civilians as human shields solely for the purpose of making Israel look like a heartless agressor, it's actually quite astonishing that so few civilians have been killed. It speaks volumes about Israel's armed forces that they can launch an attack while still managing to spare the majority of the innocent lives offered up by the Palestinians themselves.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:54AM
63- I hope you are right....
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:55AM
61, so what would you have Israel do?
The quit the settlement, left the place to the Palestinians, signed on to a ceasefire. And yet, the rockets never stop coming. The sites are embedded in residential neighborhoods. And whereas Israel is a functioning democracy, the other side dreams of an islamic caliphate and total anihilation of all non-believers.
So please suggest a course of action. Cookies and milk?
Are you suggesting that the US abandon Israel so that the next day it is attacked from all sides and wiped off the map, as many so wish?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:59AM
from the AP today - the money quote:
"Hamas issued a statement in Gaza City taking responsibility for the rockets. Leaders of Hamas say Israel has no right to exist and condemn Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as a stooge for conducting peace talks."
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 10:59AM
@3 The people who are paying no income tax, but just property tax (often indirectly, if they rent), FICA, gas tax, etc, plus many who are paying small amounts in income tax, virtually all have their children in public schools at an average cost to the taxpayers of $20K per child per year. No way are these people paying anywhere near that much in taxes, nor will they ever, and their children will reproduce early and often and put their next generation in the public schools to soak up more taxpayer money. With their kids grown up and putting grandkids into the taxpayer-funded schools, grandma and grandpa then start pulling more out of SS disability and Medicare than they ever paid in.
A huge majority of people whose children are or were in public schools, are net takers from the taxpayer-filled trough over their lifetimes. Bottom line, if you have kids in public school and you aren't paying more in taxes than the schools spend to educate your kids, you're on welfare.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 11:08AM
What about pita and homous instead?
It's not one or the other.
First of all, I'd say that one step of action shoudl be to give Jerusalem a special status where it belogns to teh world and NOT a In Israeli or Palestinian state.
I think one problem is that the country is at a crossroad, we know that in 40 years, Arabs in Israel will be the majority just by following demographic trends. So the country needs to adapt. What Israel has done has been amazing in the past 60 years yet can it follow the same course of action in the next 60 years or so?
I am not Israeli or Palestinian and I believe a realistic plan of action should come from the people who live there. The current situation is just not working. There are so many issues at hand within Israel's society, the Hasid, the Russian immigration wave, the Sephardic population and other groups like the Beta Israel, the clash between the new secular Israeli identity and religious Jews,etc...
and we're not even entering the whole Palestinian question yet.One thing I notice is that people sitll forget that not all Palestinians are muslims, there are many christians as well...anyway...
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 11:09AM
67 = selfish yuppie, who's going to change his tune when he has kids. And when that happens will also never stop talking about them and their perceived intelligence and athletic prowess. Kids are the new BMW.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 11:17AM
@69
I don't see that. It's just a statement of fact that a lot of people seem to want to turn a blind eye to. In another part of this thread someone mentioned demographics - well, the demographics of the US are changing too... think about it.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 11:29AM
There are a few people in the government who are their to actually protect the taxpayer and govern, and not act like Santa Claus for their own sake.
Unfortunately there are too few of them.
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9589358
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 12:26PM
@65 - how about not withholding transfers of cash so Palestinian entities can meet payroll? Or how about not exercising blockades of other essential goods and services?
Or how about applying the same standards and definitions to themselves that they apply to Palestinians?
Here's a fun game you can play - ignore the rhetoric and look at the body count for both sides. It's quite instructive.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:06PM
@72 let's see ... how many times has Israel started unprovoked wars against its neighbors? Your sympathy for the victim mentality is the mark of a true dimwit.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:15PM
#72, I have a funnier game you can play.
Fly to Tel-aviv and draw a cartoon, make a poster whatever saying - Moses sucks, Down with the Talmud. Then put it on public display sit by it for a few hours. Then cross over to Gaza and make another poster which says 'he who should not be named' sucks, down with the koran ,put it on display and sit by it.
Make sure you make arrangements for the videotape of the second to be put up on the internet.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:25PM
I don't think the reaction would be much different in an ultra-orthodox part of Jerusalem than in Gaza...
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:38PM
Oh, so we trying to split hairs here are we?
Just go to the main square in Tel Aviv and the main square in Gaza city. So? Are you up for the fun game or contrived moral equivocation?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:45PM
@73 - Israel might know something about the victim mentality.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:47PM
@76, tell them why you're mad son....
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:48PM
@73 - in replying to you I almost forgot the maxim I cited earlier - ignore the rhetoric and look at the body count. Always.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 1:50PM
@74
I don't even know what you are trying to say? That 100% of people in occupied Gaza are muslim fanatics as opposed to the population of liberal Tel Aviv?
Like seriously, what's your point?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 2:18PM
Bank of America and Mr. Higgins missing $millions, it can happen to you my, fellows Americans
More info at: http://maxhiggins.com/blog/
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 2:27PM
#80, previously said "Or how about applying the same standards and definitions to themselves that they apply to Palestinians?"
The same standards do not apply because both people are not the same.
The fact that 100% gazans are not muslim fanatics as compared with the populace of Tel Aviv does not take away from the fact that many more of them are. At least that is something that you seem to have acceeded to, though try to draw comfort from the fact that not 100% are.
Hence, you cannot allow them the same 'free cash transfer' and 'unhindered movement of goods' that you can allow for Tel Aviv residents. The former will end up using it for nefarious purposes, along with genuine cause, to harm the latter.
So get that head out of the ass. I am sorry for you that it took you so long to get a simple point.
Oh, and during WW2 the body count on the Russian side was way higher than the German side. Does that make the Nazis the better side?
Douche.
Ps. Egypt has also placed an embargo on the Palestinians. Damn those Zionists.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 3:01PM
what do you bankers think about getting in on UYG at 5.45?
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 3:21PM
If Hezbollah gets involded it lights out...
Last time in 2006, Iran's Quds* Commandos (Hezbollah's summer guests) popped in for some R&R on Beirut beaches, and handed Israel its ass and put the invincibility of Mossad/Israeli Commandos to bed....
Literally Israeli Generals were deserting b/c they were checking their blackberries/El Al vacation flights....google it
The truce in 2006 was shoved down Israel's throat by the US/EU...so the world wouldnt ask why the only country in the world that pays zero import tax to USA (yup, Israel) and gets Billions free cant defend itself...
Tommy Franks/Gen. Abizaid called the Quds one of the most elite commando force in the world, in Congressional testimoy no less..to stunned silence....that includes SAS, Delta, Green Berets, SEALs, Spetsnaz...when you dont fear death, you are one evil organization
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 3:23PM
This thread is a train wreck.
Posted by guest , Dec 30, 2008 4:26PM
I always love the idiotic proponents of "proportional response." You kill 1 of my citizens, so I kill one of yours...yaaahh! Then we continue this idiocy in perpetuity!
The Israelis have it right. You kill one of our citizens, we kill as many of you as possible. You don't fight wars to go tit for tat, you fight them to win.
Anyone that cannot see the difference between Israel and Palestine is an idiot. The Israelis do not purposely target civilians, the Palestinians do. That should be the end of the story.
Posted by Finnegan , Dec 30, 2008 7:18PM
@84... Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is that you? Hey, sup.
Posted by guest , Dec 31, 2008 10:27AM
damn blagojevich has always had that hairdo?