That probably goes without saying, and apparently discussions of this nature and speculations as to why he did it are “way over the line,” but we’re going to have them anyway. The Times reports that the Freddie Mac CFO was working nonstop, losing weight, felt someone was “always angry with him,” and finding it “impossible to appease everyone — regulators, lawmakers, investors and other executives — given their competing demands.”
And no matter how many hours everyone worked, it seemed as if the economy and homeowners were still slipping farther into the abyss.
Mr. Kellermann was also working in a poisonous political atmosphere. In addition to taking criticism over the bonuses, he was recently involved in tense conversations with the company’s federal regulator over its routine financial disclosures, according to people close to those discussions who also spoke on condition of anonymity. Freddie Mac executives wanted to emphasize to investors that they believed the company was being run to benefit the government, rather than shareholders. The company’s regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Authority, had pushed to play down that language. Freddie Mac reported to the Securities and Exchange Commission that changes it had made in practices to help the government “have increased our expenses or caused us to forgo revenue opportunities.”
“The pressure right now is relentless,” said a Freddie Mac executive who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak. “Everyone in the financial sector, regardless of where you work, is constantly told both that this is our fault, and that we have to work as hard as possible, otherwise the nation will fall apart.”
Cry me a river. So he had to work a bit harder and endure some tough pressure…boo f’ing hoo.
You wanted that bonus? Earn it, you crybaby.
-BeckyBootFan
@1- perhaps your insensitivity stems from the fact that, unlike Kellerman, you’ve never had an important or pressure-filled job. I guess there *are* advantages to being a bank-teller afterall.
The company was being run to benefit the government? What could go wrong with that?
What’s the implication here, Sam Giancana was lurking in the hinterlands of Fairfax County, working out an arrangement?
RIP
@2, can’t take the heat…then quit or off yourself…oh wait, he did that.
-BBF
@BBF
That’s a bit harsh, even by my standards, but whatever, to each his (her?) own.
No doubt trying to fix sh!t whilst trying desperately to keep the Gov’t puppetteer from shoving its fist up your a$$ isn’t a very pleasant job, but, I do agree, if you can’t stand the heat get out of the fire, its not worth staying in it if ending your life is the outcome, sigh…
BBF- A little harsh but I can somewhat see where you are coming from. I understand that a job can be stressful but that is no excuse to off yourself. Seems to me like there may be more buried under the surface that will come out rather than just stress.
Sorry but there goes your Paxil theory TGFD, seeing as the fella was losing poundage, not gaining.
Skinny and paranoid and working your ass off sounds more like Bolivian Happy Juice.
I don’t mean to be harsh.
…but if people aren’t complaining about bigshots making tons of money and not doing enough to justify it, then we’re expected to feel sympathy for a guy who made great money and couldn’t handle the pressure that came from having to earn it?
Where’s the middle ground?
-BBF
He had the obligation to his child, if not his wife, to quit of the job was placing too much pressure and stress on him.
Suicide is the ultimate self centered act. His 5 year old daughter will now spend the rest of her life without her father because the guy, unlike many of his colleagues, wasn’t willing to leave and find another job.
Yea, you may feel the pressure is relentless. If you do feel that way, leave. Pack up your crayons, get in your Mercedes convertible and go home.
“impossible to appease everyone — regulators, lawmakers, investors and other executives — given their competing demands.”
Here is a lesson for people. Don’t try to appease everyone. Use your judgment to figure out who is right and appease them.
if it got so bad that i had to kill myself, i surely wouldn’t do it in the house that my family lived. Go into the woods, find a tall bridge, step in front of a bus, but don’t kill yourself in the basement of your own house where the survivors will think of your grim ending each time they take a pair of jeans out of the dryer…
People sentenced to life in prison with out parole rarely kill themselves. I feel sorry for his child.
Suicide is one of the most self-centered and cowardly act. Although I sympathize with his family, I agree that if he couldn’t take it, there was no reason to end his life for money. What kind of an example did he set for his child?
David Kellerman believed in Freddie’s mission (yes they did once have a noble mission to support home ownership before being villified by the “populist outrage” of unintelligent yokels like BBF) and worked his whole adult life at the company. He was a good man and in my opinion couldn’t live with what was happening to the company he loved. It was his family.
The world is not all 30 second sound bites. Read (can you, BBF?), study and understand what’s going on and stop buying into the media BS intended to stir the pot. There are real people trying to do the right thing here. Show some respect.
How come Barney is not taking any heat for this: wasn’t it Barney who called for executive suicides a while back?
@17- no, idiot. it was Grassley.
@16, I’ll show repsect when it’s deserved. This guy didn’t respect his family enough to stick around.
Maybe he felt he was doing them a favor by offing himeself?
Grow a pair and live your life.
-BBF
16-
So his love for the company at which he “worked his whole adult” was more powerful than his love for the child he brought into the world? He couldn’t live with what was happening to the company he loved so he gave his 5 year old daughter a lifetime of wondering what it would have been like to have had her father to help her to deal with life. That’s both fucked up and inexcusable.
@12, more like use your judgment to determine who wields the most power over your career and appease them.
Lifelong overachiever facing complete failure of the business he’s devoted himself to (probably at he expense of his family) and the end of a career he’s spent his life building.
Looks at he future and perhaps sees prosecutions and investigations?
Still, I hope this story is pursued further. I think it’s highly significant when the CFO of an agency that (along with FNM) owns or guarantees half the entire mortgage market takes his life….notice the 2 CEO’s have departed recently as well. What the F is going on?
@16, he was a good man with a mental illness. he didn’t off himself (hanging is a terrible way to die, it ain’t quick, and he leaves his own body to be found by his wife and kid upon their awakening) because he “believed in the company” and “couldn’t live with what was happening to the company he loved.” bs. either he had a serious mental illness which went untreated and resulted in this tragic end, or he was a massive coward. take your pick.
‘Fosterian’ Deal with the Clintons
@20, Exactly!
I agree…Boo F’ing Hoo! You made a bunch of money basically moving money from point A to point B and scooping up the crumbs that fell off. All of a sudden you have to deal with regulators? Big deal! I’ve done jobs like that. You grab a couple beers after work, go home, hug the kids and don’t worry about it. I can’t understand someone who feels that killing yourself is better than quitting a crappy job. Unbelievable!
This is really sad.
22-
You will never see an investigation into FNM or FRE. For years, the board seats for these companies were patronage jobs for cronies of D.C. political big wigs (such as Franklin Raines, Rahm Emanuel, etc).
Washington insiders don’t want the truth about the GSEs to be discussed.
I agree with guest comment 16. Please show some respect for the grieving Kellerman family. This was a man pushed beyond his limits. I don’t think suicide is ever the only way out but it is rude to make nasty comments as an outsider looking in. My heart hurts for the loved ones left behind. This economic crisis has financially effected my family in ways I never expected. My husband lost his job as a CEO in December 2007 and was unemployed for many months. We were forced to liquidate our assets in an effort to just feed our children. During that period, I watched my husband lose weight and battle depression. Every one has a breaking point. If you’ve never experienced yours, consider yourself blessed not to have yet been put in a position where you feel absolutely hopeless and helpless!
Ted Turner’s father committed suicide. Look at Ted.
“*The New York tax lawyer who killed his wife and two daughters before committing suicide may have run a $20 million ponzi scheme. [Bloomberg.com]” http://www.abovethelaw.com/
speaking of men pushed beyond their limits….
29-
that can go both ways.
@25 said “All of a sudden you have to deal with regulators? Big deal! I’ve done jobs like that.”
You have NOT had to do it at the same level, or under the same amount of pressure as Kellerman, and you fucking know that. Dealing with pressure at some two-bit firm out of the eye of public scrutiny is not the same thing.
29-
that can go both ways.
28- You reach your breaking poit…so, solve your problems by compounding the problems of your loved ones?
Well done.
This is fun. I’ve never seen so much moral superiority out of the DB crowd (and usually there’s plenty).
Dealing with regulators is part of the job, providing the regulators stop acting like a pre menopausal woman.
29-
that can go both ways.
@16 Listen to yourself. You, Sir, are an unconscionable IDIOT. I hope there aren’t more wherever you came from.
@28
spell check, moron. it’s “affected”
you had to liquidate your assets? oh boo hoo. you can’t be for real.
@16 = @28
Or there is more than one of these fucks alive.
@38- how so?
Be thankful that you had “assets to liquidate”. Most Americans are on the “it goes out as soon as it comes in” system of accounting.
I feel bad for the family. Total coward though. Stand up and take it like a man.
Can’t afford the country club membership anymore, not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. No need to kill yourself because you may become of average means.
Enjoy the ride while it lasts and then be thankful you live in America where no matter how bad it gets, you’re still on top of the pile (from a global perspective at least).
Really a shame he didn’t have what it takes to be a father. What lesson does the kid learn? When it gets tough…give up. Piss poor.
28-
Sweetheart, we all have problems in life. I was an employee at Stanford Financial in Houston who, in early 2007, dared to ask questions and ended up not only getting summarily fired but had them smear my reputation both in the industry and on my U-5. I took the complaints to FINRA and watched those bozos do nothing. I wasn’t a CEO who spend a few months unemployed. I was someone who had to do what he thought was the right thing.
Long story short, I was almost 2 years unemployed with my career at risk. Not because I was a CEO who ran a company into the dirt, but because I saw something and had a responsibility to do what was right.
We all get pushed past our limits in life. Its how we grow as people. The bottom line still remains that if he was so concerned for his family’s safety that he had to have a security detail posted outside his house, he should have moved on with his life. He had a 5 year old daughter whom he had an absolute obligation to. He had a wife who he promised to be there for, for better or for worse. He should have walked away. Not for his own benefit, but for the benefit of his child.
We all feel hopeless and helpless at times in our lives. You are not one of the persecuted few that has experienced difficulties in life.
HOW RUDE
committing suicide is the new killing it.
@45 if that’s a Full House reference, you are my hero
The bullshit continues.
@39. Thanks for the hand smack. I should have used spell check :0)
@44 I should have included that my hubby lost that CEO job for refusing to be a “yes man” to the company owner who had little regard for those that were fattening his wallet.
@42 I have joined the ranks of the “it goes out as soon as it comes in.” Do I get a “Welcome to the club?”
Yeah, you get a complimentary reach around, just like the rest of us. Enjoy.
@42 Ahh yes, just like my digestive system.
Man that guy had the weight of the world on his shoulders. He probably felt like man if I can’t fix this company the entire world is going to enter a depression. Not to mention he was probably about to go to jail for life once they dug deep enough and found that he was in line to get 210 million dollars in bonuses over the next two years!!! Tell me how that amount is even possible without it being illegal?
@28 you need to level set.
Your worst case scenario, i.e. 100% liquidation, severely reduced standard of living and associated ‘humiliation’ puts you at between 2MM – 10MM of hard assets. Even if you went to ‘zero’ which no one does in a personal bankruptcy, you still have your education, experience, etc.
Your WORST CASE is better than what 90% of Americans can ever hope to achieve
Your WORST CASE is better than what 99.5% of all humans who ever lived could ever have hoped to achieve.
One child dies every two minutes from issues related to extreme poverty and you complain about feeling “absolutely hopeless and helpless”
Level set, lady. A 2 bedroom apartment in Hoboken, packed lunches and a used Malibu is really not that bad. But, that’s not what you’ve been ‘reduced to’ is it?
@53 I never said I was hopeless and helpless. I’ve not reached my breaking point and hope I never will. You are absolutely correct! I am very blessed because I have a happy marriage and wonderful children regardless of where we have to live or how much is NOT in our bank account! My hubby doesn’t even have a college education. He was able to climb the ladder of success by working his behind off! We certainly don’t miss being at the top of the ladder b/c of all the crap that comes with it. I am convinced that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! If you kill yourself, game over. You didn’t wait long enough to see how much better things could be.
It is extremely sad at how quickly we are to judge.
@52-
re. weight of the world on this shoulders, oh please. if so, then he was a megalomaniac in addition to being a huge pussy.
@54
too fake post, didn’t read
The scary thing is how many people are raising their kids to live this way. The kids are brainwashed from preschool onward with the message that they HAVE to get into the “best” schools, HAVE to take the “toughest” courses, HAVE to get As, HAVE to excel in the “right” extracurricular activities, yadda, yadda. And then when the kids show signs of cracking under the stress, they’re hauled off to a shrink, and leave with a prescription for medication that they HAVE to take so that they can keep running on the hamster wheel that they HAVE to keep running on.
This culture of compulsive overachieving per standards imposed by someone else, is extremely destructive, and to a large extent, it’s at the root of our present economic problems. Hordes of financial professionals at all levels were told “You HAVE to make these numbers”, and they’d been raised to believe that quitting or saying no and getting fired were not viable options, so they did whatever they had to — cook up self-destructing securities, churn out fraudulent mortgage applications, and all the rest — to make the numbers.
@58 Too true. When do people ever figure out they can get off the hamster wheel? At least a hamster gets off of its own accord. Humans, supposedly smarter, can run themselves until they drop dead.
I wonder where this asshole is:
http://news.hereisthecity.com/news/business_news/8970.cntns
Bear, Lehman, Refco, RBS … ?
@58 – wow, this is the first logical comment I’ve seen regarding David.
Guest@#9…
Thank you for reading my post from yesterday.
TGFD still thinks that antidepressant medications were involved in Kellerman’s suicide.
Paxil is just the one TGFD had experience with. There are other ones linked to suicide. Do a search on the internet.
BTW, TGFD did not gain weight while I was on Paxil. Not everyone does.
Your attempt do dismiss the entire antidepressant theory because of one possible side effect from one particular medication is fallacious at best.
I can tell you with absolute conviction that for TGFD, those thoughts of suicide were very real, they seemed very logical, and they made perfect sense, with all concern for family, friends, responsibilities, etc nothwithstanding.
In essence, what TGFD is saying is that you don’t know WTF you think you know.
Guest@#28/49/54…
As you can tell from the posts on DB, there are a lot of immature, self-centered, “rugged” individuals here who always manage to pull themselves “up by their own bootstraps” and who always succeed in overcoming adversity by just their own sheer force of will. They also appear to show contempt for those who don’t quite measure up to their standards and who may not be quite so “tuff” as they.
The Guy from Delaware
TGFD@61 after words of support from me, yesterday, I am now starting to get the feeling that I hate your guts, too! Way to go making sweeping statements that discount everything that does not agree with your warped point of view.
I thought “guest” picked on you because that’s what “guest” does.
Now I know better.
- “guest” not #9
I think we’d all be doing ourselves (and each other) a large favor to take this opportunity to pull our heads out of our asses, take a step back, and realize what’s really important in life. Its too easy to get caught up in the minutae, in the day-to-day that as evidenced by many of the above comments, we lose track of where we truly stand in the grand scheme of things.
Your health and happiness, and that of your friends and family are more important than any job, any career…
@63
Right on. What really matters is the people you surround yourself with. Family, friends and the like. It’s what we’re all working for anyway.
Make sure to enjoy time with them. Otherwise, what’s the point?
Guest@#62…
I’m dissappointed to learn that you now “hate” TGFD too.
How shallow that “support” you showed must have been in the first place for it to have vanished so suddenly because of what you call, “a sweeping statement”.
My statement at the end of #61 was merely an observation of numerous posts on this thread and was not directed at anyone in particular.
TGFD still likes you, and I thank you for your support, however brief it was.
The Guy from Delaware
Give the guy a break – you dont know the guy – sure rationally killing yourself is a real pu$$y move but if he had a real illness (like depression) the pressure can make you irrational.
If the guy dropped dead from a heart attack (due to the pressure) would you all be so judgemental?
And while for sure it is HORRIBLE for the kid, for all any of you know maybe his wife was a c^nt and was going to divorce him and try to take all his money and his kid…..Point is – we dont know so STFU
For you idiots who think you have something figured out because it makes you FEEL better to spit on a man’s grave – pound sand. I knew Dave, and he wasn’t ANY of the things that you automatically ascribe him to be. He was appointed CFO just 6 months ago, which means that ALL of the pressure to clean this mess up was on HIS shoulders. He was put in charge of the finances AFTER the trouble was caused by his predecessor(s).
You know NOTHING about his family history. NOTHING about his health or mental state. NOTHING period! But, you’ll pretend to know something, to make up for your own underachiements.
Nobody is saying that suicide is a good option. But calling someone a coward just proves what a hate-filled small person you really are. You probably can’t run a few errands without telling someone how “stressed” you are, or picking a fight with your significant other because of your “hard day”.
Now imagine the media sitting in your front yard, you’ve just inherited the reputation of your predecessor (congratulations), you are being FORCED to put a square peg into a round hole, advisors are telling you to do more of what caused the problem, and the government oversight is telling you to fill a gallon jug with a pint of water. Oh yeah, and because of your title that we gave you, you’ll be held accountable when we publish any irregularities that we find. Oh, and that bonus plan that we inticed you with 6 months ago to get you to accept all this responsibility – yeah, we’re going to take that back. Have a nice day!
For you idiots who think you have something figured out because it makes you FEEL better to spit on a man’s grave – pound sand. I knew Dave, and he wasn’t ANY of the things that you automatically ascribe him to be. He was appointed CFO just 6 months ago, which means that ALL of the pressure to clean this mess up was on HIS shoulders. He was put in charge of the finances AFTER the trouble was caused by his predecessor(s).
You know NOTHING about his family history. NOTHING about his health or mental state. NOTHING period! But, you’ll pretend to know something, to make up for your own underachiements.
Nobody is saying that suicide is a good option. But calling someone a coward just proves what a hate-filled small person you really are. You probably can’t run a few errands without telling someone how “stressed” you are, or picking a fight with your significant other because of your “hard day”.
Now imagine the media sitting in your front yard, you’ve just inherited the reputation of your predecessor (congratulations), you are being FORCED to put a square peg into a round hole, advisors are telling you to do more of what caused the problem, and the government oversight is telling you to fill a gallon jug with a pint of water. Oh yeah, and because of your title that we gave you, you’ll be held accountable when we publish any irregularities that we find. Oh, and that bonus plan that we inticed you with 6 months ago to get you to accept all this responsibility – yeah, we’re going to take that back. Have a nice day!
@68
so he basically hung himself in his basement with his wife and kids sleeping upstairs becuase he just couldn’t hack his huge pressures at work?
@66 If the guy dropped dead of a heart attack we wouldn’t be judging him because he didn’t choose to end his life. Capish! And his wife couldn’t have been doing what you say or he would’ve taken her out too! Don’t you think, Sherlock?
@67 Once again, if the stress was too much, the pay too little, whatever you can just quit your job. And suicide, short of having a painful terminal illness, IS the coward’s way out. Mark It!
Any politicians commit suicide lately?
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Thats it. End of story. You can all go home now! Move along!
@71
Only in our most happiest of dreams!
@73
grammer check idiot
#71, Many many books will be written on that one question.
@71 They are too narcissistic to do the “right thing”, but some can suggest it for others. :-)
@74 Lighten Up, Francis!
@76
don’t call me francis
@76
Don’t Call Me Francis
It strikes me as highly suspicious that this is in fact a suicide.
How can you possibly pull the trigger on the shotgun while you are still wearing your sneakers…
Guest@#70…
You are unmistakably one of the “rugged” individuals TGFD referred to in my #61 post.
Before you continue to perplex yourself over something you obviously have little knowledge of, perhaps you might consider whether Kellerman woke up one morning, some years back, and said, “Gee, I’m a weak person, and some day, I’m just going to have to kill myself. That’s what weak people do.”
The Guy from Delaware
Actually, Bess, my concern was the speculative and hasty suggestion of responsibility for one group. You’re going to cover the story. I think you can be more careful.
EP sometimes engages critics in comments. If you did, I might have clarified earlier. Earlier or later, it’s just one man’s opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it.
The episode certainly _seems_ part of the story of the demonization the financial class. But the man was at the center of Freddie, the housing bubble, the economic crisis. And we still don’t know anything. I’d say it is a little early to be emphasizing any of the dozens of possible contributors here.
@TGFD
people don’t decide to be weak. they are just born that way.
btw, why do you refer to yourself (inconsistently) in the third person? is that just a cute self-characterization for DB or do you go off meds before posting here?
“Autopsy on Freddie Mac official incomplete”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FREDDIE_MAC_OFFICIAL_DEAD?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
@74 needs to be put on suicide watch stat! Or not. He / she Would likely fail at that.
The ultimate FAIL!
@84 FAIL!!!!
Guest@#82…
Read TGFD’s post on yesterday’s Kellerman thread for info about my experience with Paxil and why I stopped taking it.
Some people consider “going third person” to be a sign of mental instability. TGFD considers it to be merely an eccentricity. Besides, I have fun with it.
The Guy from Delaware
p.s. On occasion, TGFD speaks in the third person too.
“Investors claim they lost millions to NY man”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOTEL_BODIES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
TGFD@86
love the recursion…
@67/68
43 here
I fail to see how your “friend” helped the situation in any possible way. Obviously he had some problems be they his own mental ones, or outside pressures brought on by the stress of the position he held.
Has Freddie Mac’s financials improved since he hung himself?
Have his family’s finances improved since he killed himself?
Just two problems the man was facing that now others must face. Instead of taking responsibility for what was his he’s leaving it to someone else. I’m in no way insinuating that he had anything to do with Freddie Mac’s collapse, but he accepted the position to fix it. If he did not want the pressure to do this, why did he not walk away?
I feel terrible for his family. But having said that, they will know that in their time of need he voluntarily left them to fend for themselves. To be abandoned by someone you love when in need must be devastating.
TGFD – I fail to see how people that condemn suicide are automatically labeled as “rugged” and insensitive. The plain fact of the matter is that everyday people face challenges. Most of them (even when they come up short) do not commit suicide. I’ve enjoyed most of your comments over the past six months I’ve been stopping by DB, but I think you’re generalizing most of the commenters unfairly here. Suicide can certainly bring out heated emotions from people for a multitude of reasons, including religion or unfortunately personal experience with a loved one. Not necessarily “rugged,” just honest.
I did not know the man in question, but I maintain he took the cowardly way out. Nothing has been solved/aided by his decision to end his life.
89- actually, his family’s financials probably will improve.
@90. You’re right. Damn it “Guest” you always seem to make a good point.
I am curious, I was under the impression that most policies do not pay benefits for suicide. Am I mistaken?
#9 here – Lookee here Delaware, maybe he was getting skinny and going insane on Prozac, okay dokey? People have been killing themselves from the beginning of time, long before the invention of those “dangerous” SSRIs. So, while your theory is a good one, so are a bunch of others. That’s my point, and also, don’t bother taking any of my ridiculous, throwaway comments so personally — my parole officer doesn’t.
For the record, Guest does have a handy dandy medical background and can assure TGFD there are many other medications that have been associated with suicide and also that there are thousands of people who are on Paxil, Wellbutrin, etc. who have not developed the urge to kill themselves.
One man’s poison, another man’s medicine, right?
Whatever the cause, money, sex and fear of death is what every bloody thing on this planet boils down to and I’m sure this poor guy was no exception. He killed himself because of one of those things, or maybe two, or maybe all three. Or maybe he didn’t kill himself — sometimes suicides aren’t suicides.
No, Guest doesn’t pretend don’t know what pressures DK faced, but do allow Guest to wake some of your crybaby asses up to reality. Having lost both a job and a child, Guest can assure you that you will get over the former but never the latter. The fabbo part of having something really awful happen to you — and poor Mrs. Kellermann is about to learn this — is that all the stupid shit you think matters, doesn’t really matter at all. Anal_yst has got it right on, and anyone bitching or moaning about their lot in life should STFU and go visit a Ronald McDonald house for the day.
It’s obvious and tragically sad that, if he did indeed kill himself, this man was not able to keep a sense of perspective. RIP, David Kellermann, and God help all those you left behind.
Rant over, Guest has got an Oprah show to go on.
@91 there is usually a time limit from inception of policy after which it will pay out; like a few years or something. not all policies are the same though and some might exclude it entirely.
if he offed himself cuz his stocks are nearly worthless well then he’s an even bigger pussay then i thought
@93 Gracias. 91
Guest@#89…
Very nice piece you wrote.
TGFD does not in any way condone suicide as a method of solving one’s problems. I am against it completely.
I was trying in my posts to encourage people to think that perhaps Kellerman was being influenced by something that no one here was giving any thought, namely antidepressants medications.
People here didn’t seem to want to even consider that the meds were a possibility. Most just kept criticizing Kellerman. That’s why TGFD started up with that “rugged” individual business.
I agree that “everyday people face challenges” and that “most of them do not commit suicide.” May I add that most people do not take antidepressants, and that most of those who do, also don’t all commit suicide. Studies have shown a link between the two, though.
During my stint with Paxil, what was so alien to me is that I actually was having irrational thoughts. Thoughts that were against all I believed in, yet thoughts that were making sense to me at the time. As TGFD said yesterday, the effects of the meds are insidious.
Kellerman couldn’t have been in his right mind when he killed himself. We’ll eventually find out what medications he was taking.
Antidepressants are designed to affect the mind, and the mind is where thoughts originate and where decisions are made. All side effects of these meds aren’t always known.
The Guy from Delaware
@TGFD, 89 here,
Yeah you do have a point. I don’t know how to feel about the whole meds angle.
If that’s what pushed him over the edge than that really sucks. I don’t really believe in that shit (the meds not the logic) though. Best to just accept that sometimes life sucks and sometimes it doesn’t.
Problem these days is that everyone is obsessed with this bull shit concept of happiness. Nobody is happy all the time. Think people should try and be more even over the long run.
Guest@#92/9…
You must have posted shortly after I took a break from DB and then began writing my #96.
TGFD thinks we’re in agreement on the matter. Thanks for your thoughts.
The Guy from Delaware
@91 and 95
just don’t get any ideas…
100
@96, bottom line is that if he was on meds or had an untreated mental illness then I totally understand this situation. Extremely tragic, but that I can accept.
What I can’t accept is if the guy just up and got tired of the pressure at work, financial stresses, et cetera and just decided that a litle auto-erotic asphyxiation sans the erotica might be a good idea. if it was just himself, fine. but he has totally destroyed the lives of his wife and daugher. that is COWARDLY beyond excuse.
@96, bottom line is that if he was on meds or had an untreated mental illness then I totally understand this situation. Extremely tragic, but that I can accept.
What I can’t accept is if the guy just up and got tired of the pressure at work, financial stresses, et cetera and just decided that a litle auto-erotic asphyxiation sans the erotica might be a good idea. if it was just himself, fine. but he has totally destroyed the lives of his wife and daugher. that is COWARDLY beyond excuse.
Guest@#101/102…
TGFD agrees with your entire post, both paragraphs.
The Guy from Delaware
p.s Try refreshing the screen several times over a minute or so before you are tempted to hit the “post” button a 2nd time.
Guest@#101/102…
TGFD agrees with you completely.
The Guy from Delaware
There’s something missing here? He work there for 16 yrs, promoted to top job since Sept 2008, old boss leaves a month before, he knew the job well before he took it. This is not a rookie. The skeltons were already known to him before he took the job. Mr. Kellermann had no hope. Something was going to be made public. It was going to disgrace him? or someone else? Who? What? That’s what a good reporter should look into. Does anyone remember Vincent Foster?
rehttp://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html
I would like to see subpoenas for his computer, email accounts all done ASAP before it goes missing.
May the Good Lord bless his family.
Has it occurred to anyone out there that he may NOT have killed himself?
It says right in that article (and others) that he was going head to head basically trying to let the public know what the government – who now runs Freddie Mac – is really doing with the business.
Kellerman wanted the financial disclosures to the public to go out as always – the gov. person he was having to deal with did not.
Is anyone besides me out there asking WHY NOT?
And no, I am not an alarmist, extremist, nor am I paranoid. I am also not a sheep willing to believe everything without question. Some things are obvious, this situation is NOT.
I have looked all over and have not seen one article on how exactly he killed himself.
BUT……..
I have seen a lot of propaganda being spewed out from stress, to mental illness to side effects of anti-depressants.
Gee how easy it is to convince the sheep of this country that this guy killed himself…..
Think about it America. How many people, suffer from depression, PTSD etc… and how easy it would be to “get rid” of someone who wanted to expose something to the public – because you know, it HAS to be suicide just because he was stressed out….(note the sarcasm)…..
Has it occurred to anyone out there that he may NOT have killed himself?
It says right in that article (and others) that he was going head to head basically trying to let the public know what the government – who now runs Freddie Mac – is really doing with the business.
Kellerman wanted the financial disclosures to the public to go out as always – the gov. person he was having to deal with did not.
Is anyone besides me out there asking WHY NOT?
And no, I am not an alarmist, extremist, nor am I paranoid. I am also not a sheep willing to believe everything without question. Some things are obvious, this situation is NOT.
I have looked all over and have not seen one article on how exactly he killed himself.
BUT……..
I have seen a lot of propaganda being spewed out from stress, to mental illness to side effects of anti-depressants.
Gee how easy it is to convince the sheep of this country that this guy killed himself…..
Think about it America. How many people, suffer from depression, PTSD etc… and how easy it would be to “get rid” of someone who wanted to expose something to the public – because you know, it HAS to be suicide just because he was stressed out….(note the sarcasm)…..
#102 – Related to your second comment – one doesn’t purposefully kill themself with performing such an act. So, although you may view it as cowardly – if it is the case (which we probably will never know) – I doubt he intended his family to ever find out as death is not the goal. I know – I was one of “those” daughters and it was ruled “accidental death”.
There is an old saying, “stress kills”, and it’s true. Humans aren’t designed to handle stress for extended periods of time. When you are under stress your body produces a substance cortisol. Cortisol in high doses has recently been shown to cause a harmful effect on the neural system of the brain. The areas of the brain affected are many. The stress David Kellerman felt was real which caussed him to spiral into a clinical state called MDD. MDD in it’s most severe form causes one to lose total cognitive functions, confusion, a loss of self completely in time and space and severe uncontrollable depression. Only immediate hospitilization would have saved him. But in order for that to have happened the people around him would need to understand the warning signs. In effect he suffered a complete mental collapse, and he was not able to understand the consequences of his actions. By the time he commited the act he was not the person everyone knew and loved, he was mentally gone and only trainerd professionals know this, except for us few who are living survivors. His story is my story except I survived due to the quick thinking of family.
WARNING: For those of you who don’t understand what I am saying need to heed this warning. You, that’s YOU are not immune from this, it can happen to YOU!
Ignorance can kill you.
ALL You b1tches posting crap.
Show some respect for the Kellerman family.
Accept that you cannot possibly know enough to know why he did it or to judge the act.
Ever been depressed and suicidal, it’s tough. Thinking is horribly flawed, but seems most rational at the time.
My deepest condolences for the family.
RIP David.
There’s obviously more to this story and I would be stunned if there’s not an FBI investigation going on right now. Most of these comments are correct in the assumption that if Kellerman was in too deep and the pressure was getting to him, then why not quit. He didn’t need to “off” himself, he could have quit and lived a happy life with his family. Maybe find nother small time job at a no-name bank with a low profile. He had other choices rather then the ultimate one. I feel this is not over.
David Kellerman did not commit suicide.