US News will regale us with its annual ranking of the top business schools on April 23 but ahead of the release, the list is flashed (unintentionally?) in this video about law schools (54 seconds in). We can't make it out in the slightest, but supposedly someone with superhuman vision can, and jotted them down as follows:
20. Can't read
19. Can't read
18. Texas
17. Cornell
16. UVA
15. Carnegie Mellon
14. UCLA
13. Michigan
12. Duke
11. NYU
10. Yale
9. Columbia
8. Dartmouth
7. Berkeley
6. University of Chicago
5. MIT
4. Wharton
3. Northwestern
2. Stanford
1. Harvard
For reference, here's 2008.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:27PM
What's up wildcats!!!!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:28PM
Lesson in business sexy: Melissa Francis in a red silk blouse.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:28PM
What Yale thing?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:29PM
this must be wrong i dont see boston college
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:31PM
20 should be UNC (K Flagler)
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:32PM
#20 is UNC
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:34PM
my guess is 19 is Georgetown
Posted by Lowly Assistant , Apr 17, 2009 12:34PM
Wharton at 4? For shame.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:35PM
Anyone know the ranking of Strayer University?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:36PM
tuck below MIT is a joke
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:37PM
20 is the Utica School of Commerce
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:38PM
What is this, a list of whose alumni lost the most money in the last 18 months?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:38PM
#20 is UNC
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:39PM
Go Leland Stanford Jr. University !
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:39PM
None of their grads are getting jobs. Enjoy 100k debt suckers
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:39PM
is UVA really 16? (not higher?) Duke really 12 (not lower?) Stern '04
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:41PM
19. Georgetown
20. UNC - Chapel Hill
21. USC
22. Emory
23. Georgia Institute of Technology
24. Indiana University
25. Washington University at St. Louis
26. Ohio State
27. University of Washington
28. University of Wisconsin
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:42PM
chicago in top 10?.. doesn't seem right.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:43PM
the fact that Chicago GSB isnt #1 shows how big of a joke these rankings are
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:44PM
What is this, a list of whose alumni lost the most money in the last 18 months?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:44PM
@18- "chicago in top 10?.. doesn't seem right."
are you fucking kidding?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:45PM
What is this, a center for ants?
Posted by Investorcluzo , Apr 17, 2009 12:46PM
where are the harvard haters?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:51PM
Northwestern ahead of Chicago is preposterous.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:51PM
Fuck, nothing brings out the idiot corps like a post about b schools
Posted by merkin capital partners , Apr 17, 2009 12:52PM
@15... debt? clearly your parents dont love you.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:53PM
How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read... if they can't even fit inside the building?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:53PM
Notre Dame not top 25, yet top 2 undergrad program?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:54PM
@7...Georgetown? I wouldn't let my maid's kid go there.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:54PM
@19, shows how bright you are. Chicago GSB technically isn't on any rankings this year. It has changed its name the the Booth School of Business.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:56PM
want to learn about business - try camping under my desk for a while..
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:57PM
@29 No need for sour grapes just cause your maid's kid got in and you didn't
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:59PM
anyone know the acceptance rate at ITT Tech? It's my last chance!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:59PM
who cares
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:59PM
No PENN?! WTF! Boy, I pissed that money away....
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 12:59PM
who cares
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:01PM
Where's Rollins?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:01PM
@34/36- ask again.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:01PM
Simon School of Business?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:02PM
Simon School of Business?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:02PM
@30 you suck
@15 Great comment...
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:03PM
@22
just spit my lunch on keyboard
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:05PM
Who's idiot idea was it to list from 20 to 1...I hope it wasn't yours Bess
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:06PM
@25 whats b school?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:07PM
@43- um, really? perhaps it was to entice people to click through the page, moron?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:08PM
@43- um, what? have you ever heard a top ten (or any number) read? it's called reading from least interesting to most.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:08PM
The revolution is coming and the first heads on the pikes will be MBAs.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:09PM
@43- it's 'whose' not 'who's.' the sentence your form would be proper in would be:
who's the idiot now?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:09PM
US News = Flailing media entity sailing up the proverbial creek, sans paddle.
FT/Pearson = Functioning media entity that had the common sense to put Maryland/Smith over UNC/Flagler.
See where this is going?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:09PM
MBAs are for people over-compensating for lack of talent. You're better off banning together with other people with no talent. Join the UAW instead.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:16PM
MBAs are for people over-compensating for lack of talent. You're better off banning together with other people with no talent. Join the UAW instead.
Posted by Anal_yst , Apr 17, 2009 1:18PM
Agreed, why anyone puts any reliance on US News is beyond me. They have about as much credibility as Fairfield Greenwich
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:18PM
@50...That's what your mother whispered to our brothers.
~UAW Shop Foreman
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:19PM
Are MBAs are for people over-compensating for lack of talent? Are we better off "banning" (?) together with other people with no talent? Should we join the UAW instead?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:21PM
Why isn't the University of North Texas on the list?
~Former Enron Risk Manager
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:24PM
Yale is in top 10?
Well, Yale is a great school, but its business school is a joke.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:27PM
Where is the University of Nebraska - Lincoln on the list???
~Former Aquila Risk Manager
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:28PM
UVA and Michigan should be higher.
Northwestern should to behind U Chicago.
Washington University at St. Louis needs to be pushed off the list.
Duke needs to be moved back.
University of Wisconsin needs to be moved up a lot, like to around 15-17.
Rough Rankings
1) Harvard
2) Stanford
3) Wharton
4) MIT
5) U Chicago
6) Dartmouth
7) Northwestern
8) Columbia
9) Berkeley
10) Michigan
11) UVA
12) Yale
13) UCLA
14) Yale
15) Wisconsin
16) Duke
17) Texas
18) Carnegie Mellon
19) USC
20) UNC
Cornell is overrated just because it is an ivy. Duke is a bunch of douschebags with not talents either analytical or socially. Publics have been generally underrated.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:30PM
MBAs are for people over-compensating for lack of talent. You're better off banning together with other people with no talent. Join the UAW instead.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:30PM
@4 Just wait for the Matt Ryan effect to take hold...
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:33PM
#25 simon
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:33PM
@58 - i believe one of the Yale's is meant to be NYU..but i get the point.
Also, I agree with your Duke statement...Most socially awkward D-bags who were dumb enough to get caught cheating. Also, Duke is in Durham which should be one of Dante's layers of Hell.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:36PM
How about this:
1 (tie) Harvard
1 (tie) Stanford
1 (tie) Wharton
2 (tie) MIT
2 (tie) U Chicago
2 (tie) Dartmouth
2 (tie) Northwestern
2 (tie) Columbia
2 (tie) Berkeley
2 (tie) Michigan
2 (tie) UVA
2 (tie) Yale
2 (tie) UCLA
2 (tie) Duke
2 (tie) Cornell
2 (tie) NYU
3 Not relevant from rankings perspective
Disclaimer: I went to a #2 school
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:36PM
58 - I can't believe you actually went through the trouble, like you have a f*cking clue. My god you are one pathetic Badger.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:36PM
What about the "Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too"?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:36PM
Too business,,didnt school
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:36PM
@50: It's "b-a-n-d-i-n-g"
~Your Friendly MBA
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:39PM
F all of you blue bloods.
University of Phoenix (on-line) 4 LIFE
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:40PM
Harvard is overrated just because it's Harvard. Of course, being Harvard is what makes it Harvard.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:41PM
68 - awesome!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:54PM
@ 67, was that something you learned your Strategic Managment class?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:58PM
Hahhhvad sux
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 1:58PM
70 posts in 10 mins confirms 90% of DB reader are 1st year MBAs
btw, Baruch Zicklin is not bad for the $
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:01PM
@73- it doesn't confirm shit, but thanks for playing.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:04PM
Listen, Sherlock. While you were tucked away up here working on your ethics, I was out there busting my hump in the REAL world. And the reason guys like you got a place to teach is 'cause guys like me donate buildings.
Thorton Melon
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:05PM
I'm sorry, what is Northwestern? Is that an accredited institution. Harvard is the real world equivalent of Hogwarts. And Stanford? Please, Jokeford. Only one REAL B-school, WHARTON. They're the only people who actually get anything DONE.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:07PM
You'll definitely have the most fun at #18
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:07PM
What about Fordham GSB?!?!?!?!?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:07PM
What about Fordham GSB?!?!?!?!?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:08PM
What about Fordham GSB?!?!?!?!?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:09PM
#73, i am a second year analyst thanks
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:12PM
@76, any place that Ryan Berger attends can't be a real b-school
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:16PM
Boof is a pile of crap. All of those geeks are extra screwed now that nobody wants to hire pitch book monkeys or quant jockeys to "model risk" -- they've lost enough trillions for one lifetime.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:18PM
@58 -- you are a complete moron. Please learn to spell and then jump off a bridge. Do they have those in Wisconsin? All I've ever heard about is fat chicks and cheese.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:21PM
Do they even teach finance at Harvard? Go by FT's rankings (http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings). Wharton is and should be the only #1. Harvard is full of UNC/Duke undergrad overachievers. It is easy to get a 4.0 in college when you're in a room full of retards.
Posted by HAM05 , Apr 17, 2009 2:22PM
whats the difference between peanut butter and jam?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:23PM
This thread is smegma city.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:24PM
@86, I can't peanut butter my #### in your ###
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:25PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xNFPaPor8A&feature=related
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:26PM
@81 then no one cares
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:31PM
I'm a recruiter. What's b-school?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:32PM
I'm a wall street recruiter. What's b-school?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:33PM
#90, how is your dog doing
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:34PM
this is 58 here - could care less about typos, I am not a banker. I did not go to Wisconsin, nor would I ever be caught dead anywhere in the Midwest.
The rankings are based off interviewing candidates and which school I would personally hire from. Most of the Midwestern business schools are underrated (except for Northwestern), especially the public schools (sans Indiana which is overrated).
The 2nd tier private east coast schools are generally vastly overrated (Georgetown, Duke, Cornell). You generally get pricks that can't produce an original thought but have HBS attitudes but without HBS type intelligence.
With the Midwest schools you generally get hardworking people who are just as intelligent as the 2nd tier east coast private schools but without the attitude. I am from the West Coast FYI.
@62 - yup, the second yale typo should be nyu
I would personally hire Stanford grads all day and night if I could but they generally have no interest in leaving California for NYC.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:38PM
84 - did you go to Duke by the way? How was playing bayroute with other assholes with high opinions of themselves and ugly Duke undergrads from Northeast Prep schools that couldn't get into one of the good Ivys
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:39PM
@22, @27 - Well, at least a couple of us appreciated the Zoolander quotes. Nicely played.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:40PM
Go Gators!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:43PM
100th post coming up
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:45PM
@ 97
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2gIsUCDDfI
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:48PM
@55 LOL i went to UNT undergrad.. and am somehow a trader in NY. big ups to our #1 alumnus - Dr Phil. #2 is Stone Cold Steve Austin
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:49PM
100th!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:49PM
Throw some D's on this list
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:50PM
@63 got it right. end of thread.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:52PM
Yale vs. Columbia, any comments?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:53PM
@84 ...beirut?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:54PM
@63 has it about right.
Also, in general the education is not what matters. It's alumni network and the opportunity to make friends with a lot of high-achieving, smart people. H/S/W will have the advantage there for a long time - critical mass.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:58PM
Double posters, eat a bag of dicks
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 2:58PM
Haha, I love how all of a sudden everyone comes out of the woodwork to stroke their old school.
#4, BC has no business even smelling a top 20 slot. Let the adults talk. The rankings do not change radically year to year, so if your school was not in the top 20 last year, chances are it's not up there this year.
#28, according to what ranking is Notre Dame a top 2 undergraduate program? Besides, undergraduate business education is a complete farce. An undergraduate business degree is the ultimate expression of an utter lack of intellectual curiosity and imagination.
Flame on. Thank you, come again
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:04PM
HOLY EFFEN BLUMPKINS! WTF is THE University of Delaware? The school is now the center or corporate reform!! Did I mention CORPORATE REFORM, dipshits?!?!
-tgwwbh
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:05PM
@104
in what, crew? badminton?
If you're talking about MBA programs, Yale doesn't have one.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:06PM
108 To be fair, undergrad business education is a very effective route to the upper middle class for those less advantaged in life. I see around me a lot of CPAs, middle office people that are relatively well thank you as a result of some time spent in undergrad b school at places like Brooklyn, Queens, Fordham, Hofstra, Manhattan, Rutgers, Penn State... The list goes on and on. Not everyone can be a jappy kid that goes from Scarsdale High to Middlebury to MS.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:06PM
@99: yep, that's an 'ouch'... every school's got 'em but no doubt she's a joke.
@94 has it nailed.
-97
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:11PM
Where's San Antonio State? I'm not buying it's a crap-ass party school.
TX Forever
WWTRD?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:12PM
@93
huh?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:12PM
110, what do you mean yale doesnt have one
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:13PM
@111 i am a wall street recruiter what is middlebury
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:14PM
@115 Oh yeah, they have a SOM or something
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:16PM
What's more valuable in the finacial world, an MBA or CFA?
-tgwwbh
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:17PM
What's a middlebury?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:18PM
All the finance heavy schools took a hit. This is a new era.
P.S. ~ HBS still owns all you bitches.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:18PM
CFA is a scam
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:18PM
All the finance heavy schools took a hit. This is a new era.
P.S. ~ HBS still owns all you bitches.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:18PM
Harvard #1
CFA #2
Wharton #3
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:18PM
RE:#17, I believe it's pronounced "kernel" and it's the highest rank in the military.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:19PM
@94 - you nailed it. Go Badgers!
@118 - CFA - no question.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:20PM
All the finance heavy schools took a hit. This is a new era.
P.S. ~ HBS still owns all you bitches.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:22PM
Who takes Notre Dame seriously outside of athletics?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:23PM
Who takes Notre Dame athletics seriously?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:25PM
i got my degree from ICC in tv / vcr repair, also minored in gun repair
with today's mkt's, i'm thinking the gun repair degree will get more than any MBA
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:25PM
I personally know a CFA holder working in the PB business who can not distinguish the difference between ISIN & CUSIP.. enough said
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:25PM
will a CFA help get into a top business school?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:26PM
#126, HBS is tops for douchebaggery. Bunch of wannabe CEOs who feel running the "nums" is beneath them. Bitches indeed.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:27PM
#124, I have no idea what you are referencing, but Colonel is NOT the highest rank in the military. Not by a long shot.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:28PM
NBC takes Notre Dame seriously
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:29PM
#128, #127 here ... touché.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:31PM
@129- I agree. Bullets will be the new gold. Gold is for suckers.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:32PM
killing is the new killin' it.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:33PM
#133 - get cultured, b
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:38PM
@113 - US News held San Antonio State's ranking until he actually signs
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:42PM
ITT Tech = Institute of Technical Technology Tech. I got my Master's in TV/VCR Repair there.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:44PM
ITT Tech = Institute of Technical Technology Tech. I got my Master's in TV/VCR Repair there.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:47PM
ITT Tech = Institute of Technical Technology Tech. I got my Master's in TV/VCR Repair there.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:48PM
@140 AND @141 - did ITT have a course in double posting?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:49PM
ITT Tech = Institute of Technical Technology Tech. I got my Master's in TV/VCR Repair there.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:50PM
@132: Jealous? Maybe just a Lil'?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:53PM
I like this list. It reflects reality, i.e., employer preference.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:53PM
@143
No, but it had one in triple posting...oops, quadruple posting
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:56PM
Those who knock Yale don't know sheet! Watch us climb even higher in subsequent years!
~ Prof. Shiller
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 3:58PM
@ 139- 'there's no reason to go to college now. we can drink beer all day and knock off early.'
Sounds like heaven, no?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:05PM
#132, nope, just personal experience. I never went to B-school (Wharton undergrad). My experience with HBS associates who work for me has been miserable (no Excel skills, no finance knowledge). If I did hire from MBA (no longer), Wharton, Chicago, and Stamford is where I would look.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:05PM
#132, nope, just personal experience. I never went to B-school (Wharton undergrad). My experience with HBS associates who work for me has been miserable (no Excel skills, no finance knowledge). If I did hire from MBA (no longer), Wharton, Chicago, and Stanford is where I would look.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:08PM
@113 - reminds me of high school... if i had only been blessed with his innate talents. being a san antonian it does make me a bit sad, i wanted to see SAS go all the way next year
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:10PM
145 Not 132 here, but (s)he has a point. With very few exceptions, the HBS alums that I've come across are extremely good at spouting broad theory but totally useless at making anything happen. Could be why so many of em go into consulting. I remember in fact of of them commenting here that on their HBS entrance interview the recruiter sold the school on the basis of an alternative to Chicago or Wharton, where the emphasis would be on analysis. As if that was a bad way to learn.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:13PM
My school beat the UofChicago Booth. Ha! No surprise there based on the people I know.
Rocket Scientist
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:20PM
HBS is akin to high school except you don't get in trouble when caught smoking
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:23PM
#87 was the best thing ever said on this site.
Posted by miami , Apr 17, 2009 4:27PM
These are ranked by number of indicted CEOs/CFOs, right?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:33PM
Washington and Lee University
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:36PM
pre regan you could get a job w a high school diploma on wall st. if you were bright, dependable and made money for the firm you rose. lots of great people came up this way. the ivy-degreed, hermes tie sporting mba douchebag cut a romantic figure and was bred in this silly era. back to basics i hope, and get some honest people who read books, can count money and tell time.
bernard baruch
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:45PM
@127 get a life, you only wished you could have been smart enough to get into ND. LOOOOOOOOSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:48PM
@160, I cry myself to sleep every night, sad that I was never a Domer.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:48PM
Right on the money #159! Give me 10 newly minted Ivy MBAs and 10 NYC Firefighter grads and I will train all to trade the markets. Then each will get an equal trading stake. I guarantee you the firefighters will prevail. Would make a good reality show in fact, and ratings would crush that dreadful Apprentice show with that phony combover / Wharton MBA.
We learned all about superior intelligence on the street with Long Term Capital Management. Before most of DB's readers were wearing long pants, a clown by the name of John Merriwether cobbled together academe's 'best & brightest'. Hey dickheads, read WHEN GENIUS FAILED to see how they did.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:49PM
@154 You are definitely no rocket scientist (HA HA!!! :-)
Looks like you don't access the right social circles SOCIAL LLLLOOOOOSSSAAAAHHH
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 4:57PM
@162 I am sure you are right. Give each candidate the equivalent of a year's tuition at HBS. The MBA hiring machine is siezed up anyway, what fool would plunk down for such folly?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:02PM
Notre Dame = best school in the U.S.!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:04PM
165 is right!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:09PM
@163
I only hang around social losers from HBS, Wharton and MIT. Let me proceed to kill myself.
Rocket Scientist
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:10PM
To learn about business, you must first go to Notre Dame.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:32PM
Look. I have to tell you all. You are all a bunch of wipe-ass pussies. If you had gone to the UD School of Business, you'd have basically leant the same stuff....at about 15% of the cost. Soooo, if I'm a recruiting manager, who would I hire? The really smart, frugal UD grad, or the dumb-ass legacy HBS grad whose Daddy blew a bunch of bucks? You tell me, pussies.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:41PM
i thought santa clara university was finally going to bust in...
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:42PM
Menlo College REPRESENT!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:46PM
Notre Dame Business school. Hilarious.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:46PM
@169: Fuck off, ass clown. HBS AND HLS own Wall Street. UD id a dirty TTT!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:49PM
@169: Fuck off, ass clown. HBS AND HLS own Wall Street. UD id a dirty TTT!
P.S. ~ Glad to see NYU out of the coveted top 10... that school fucking sucks balls.
Posted by Investorcluzo , Apr 17, 2009 5:52PM
@169 - seriously? how about "learn" to spell and then get back to us with something a little more coherent. thanks for playing, now back to the yahoo boards...
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:52PM
@174 Yeah, because NYU is terrible at finance right? Give me a break.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:53PM
@174 NYU not top 10? You have to be kidding me right? Because that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:53PM
@172, what's so funny? Notre Dame owns Wall St.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:57PM
@178. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH.. You should be on comedy central. Stop lying to yourself. For as much as I hate HBS. Harvard, NYU, Penn and Columbia own Wall Street. Stop those lies. Quick.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 5:58PM
@177: NYU sucks. It's a mediocre school for rich kids who want to live in the village. HBS all day everyday. Fuck the rest.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:02PM
@180. Stop that NYU destroys HBS in finance. Period. Yeah it might be for rich kids, but if you think HBS is better at finance than NYU, then you are outright lying to yourself.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:03PM
@179, you're a twat. HBS FTW!!!!! I agree with Harvard, though. A Harvard UG diploma beats any B-School, except HBS!!! HAHAHA!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:05PM
@182. You should be jailed for your lies. Get ya mind right.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:05PM
um, there's an important distinction between nyu, whose undergrads are rich, hipster brats, and Stern.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:06PM
@181: Who cares what school is better at what program? What matters is what's most PRESTIGIOUS! What looks better on a resume? Pedestrian NYU or HARVARD? Hmmm? Last I checked none of my HBS colleagues had any problem landing Wall Street jobs EVEN IN THIS ENVIRONMENT!!!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:07PM
@184 You are right I apologize. I was talking specifically about Stern though.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:16PM
165, 168- Notre Dame might not even be the best school in Indiana...you know that ND is in Indiana, right?
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:16PM
@185, last I checked, many of them had their offers rescinded. Now, if you went to Notre Dame instead, you wouldn't even have an offer to rescind, which is the new killing it.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 6:26PM
@188: Even if people had offers from one institution rescinded, they'll quickly get another from a comparable firm. HBS alums will never be unemployed and most will never have to settle, either.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:00PM
124 - Well played. Classic Creed.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:09PM
#189, I call bullshit.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:13PM
Northwestern is barely the 3rd best school in the state of Illinois.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:15PM
@188. You're right Jeffrey Skilling is making about 40 cents an hour making License plates. Good call!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:18PM
@172. Notre Dame doesn't even have the best business school in the state of Indiana. Please refer to the rankings, in any poll.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 7:56PM
GO FIGHTING IRISH!
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 9:50PM
@191: It hurts inside, I know.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 10:05PM
@186 I'm at Stern. Whats with the rich comments? I'm not upper crust. Maybe you're just jealous cuz I have chisled abs.
Posted by guest , Apr 17, 2009 10:52PM
#196, is that what they sold you when you signed away $70K/year? Where will these esteemed Harvard MBAs work? Hedge funds are wary of MBAs, preferring work experience versus some bullshit degree. Private equity is not hiring. Banks are cutting back (who wants to be an associate at a bank anyway?). You're better off having gone to a top-tier undergrad program (read: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, Stanford) and performed well in the real world. No one needs UNC overachievers with attitude now that they made up for their inadequacies with a Harvard MBA. Getting into Harvard undergrad != Harvard MBA, people.
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 8:35AM
You're all a bunch of boring dookie eating douche bags.
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 11:20AM
Fuq U all
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 11:57AM
first after 200th post!
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 1:54PM
198 is correct. MBAs are not necessary if you succeed in the business out of college.
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 5:05PM
@169 - seriously? how about "learn" to spell and then get back to us with something a little more coherent. thanks for playing, now back to the yahoo boards...
That was meant in jest you tight ass dill weed.
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 5:37PM
Highly paid and overhyped b-schools. only mental retards from the rich family went to study there. The results are as usual.
Posted by guest , Apr 18, 2009 5:39PM
Very expensive and overhyped b-schools. Only mental retards from the rich families went to study there. The results are as usual. We need to figure out something better for these idiots from rich families - a place where they cannot break too much.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 1:13AM
Yawn. It is late.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 10:01AM
I'd rather have an over-achieving state school kid who went to HBS, rather than some entitled rich bitch. Ivy undergrand isn't on a lot of people's radar when they grow up in Trap Hill, NC.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 12:41PM
In Texas, we pronounce "The Fightin' Irish" as "Thuh Fottenarsh".
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 12:58PM
#207, so you'd rather have some rich entitled bitch who couldn't make it into a good school and had to settle for a state school or an out-of-state, state school (think of all the rich NYC kids that go to UVA). This rich kid than proceeded to get a job by daddy working at an analyst at some bank. Since he couldn't hack his job either, after a year, he applies to HBS, gets accepted, and returns again. This time, he's gunning for CEO (after all, he's HBS!).
Please. Give me a smart Wharton undergrad or a Harvard econ major anyday.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 6:16PM
@#209: What #207 means is that he'd rather take a smart, hardworking kid from a lower middle class family, who excelled at the local state school, and then went on to a top grad school, over some rich douch, whose parents groomed him for Harvard since birth.
People assume that if you go to your local State school, you're a dummy who couldn't get in to Harvard. In reality, most lower middle/middle class kids don't even consider top universities. They don't come from a culture where people apply to Harvard and Princeton. Later in life, when they realize that pedigree, in many instances, opens doors, they rush to graduate schools, in their late 20s to early 30s, to try to compensate for their unprestigious UG degree. That's life.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 8:01PM
graduate school is for research, hence MBA != "grad school"
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 9:11PM
@209, anyone heard of financial aid here?? I came from a lower class first-generation immigrant family, and had enough federal grants to go to an Ivy and only took extra 20k loan comparing to going to the local state school.
Posted by guest , Apr 19, 2009 11:09PM
Yeah, this list makes lots of sense. Everyone who was accepted to Chicago, Columbia, Dartmouth and NYU would've given their left arm to get into Northwestern... Riiiggghhttt.
Rankings have to pass the sniff test. The US news rankings for bschools smells like Sh%t.
Posted by guest , Apr 20, 2009 12:22AM
@213- that statement ("Everyone who was accepted to Chicago, Columbia, Dartmouth and NYU would've given their left arm to get into Northwestern... Riiiggghhttt.") is correct except for the inclusion of dartmouth. great undergrad, mediocre b-school.
Posted by guest , Apr 20, 2009 11:39AM
Last!
Posted by guest , Apr 20, 2009 2:19PM
First!
Posted by guest , Apr 20, 2009 6:46PM
@213.. So True.
Posted by guest , Apr 20, 2009 10:47PM
@104
Columbia vs Yale? Is this a serious question? Really? Really?! C'mon
Columbia is full of sorry-assed, pathetic losers who wished that they could get into one of the top-tier schools. Columbians tend to be shallow, status craving (read post of Bess's pal about her second-tier CBS welcome weekend) also-rans.
Which means that Columbia is wayyyyyyy ahead, like LIGHT YEARS, ahead of Yale. Yale was correctly ranked last year next to Cornell and Univ of Texas. Yale is a great UNDERGRAD school that, like Cornell, has a scum-sucking b-school. The people who go there couldn't even get into NYU, but picked Yale in hopes that people won't know where Yale ranks for business school and just assume that it's up there with the other ivies (this calculation in and of itself an indication of the level of classless loser who goes there). I used to work with someone who went there and this person used to talk about how they went to Yale, and would refer to "THE SOM" as if I would know what that meant. I had to look it up - it stands for "School of Management." Every time I think of that person, I think of the "YALE SOM" comments and I laugh out loud.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 10:00AM
but at the end of day, whereever you got your MBA, however rich your parents are or how much you borrowed, you are all just employees.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 10:07AM
@219 That needed to be said, well done. The horde of MBA chasers are desperately looking for validation. The true balls-out approach would have been to drop out of silly college and go start a business. So many trod the Ivy League path only to arrive at: "That's it?" then got smart, pulled the plug and went onto to great success.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 10:24AM
So true, it is much like going to law school by many who want to play safe and make Mommy and Daddy happy, who can talk it up at the country club. Rich kids and their parents hate risk that poor kids have to take. Ace Greenberg put it best: "When hiring I don't look not for PHDs, but for PSDs...one who is Poor, Smart and Determined to be rich".
The poor kids will outwork the rich 2:1 all day, every day. The very idea that so many are chasing the same degree in itself indicates the striving for safety, and a false sense of security.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 11:07AM
@218 - I know a couple of people that went to NYU and they are in no way more talented than the people I have encountered at those "scum sucking" Ivy League programs at the lower end of the list. In fact, they were probably inferior candidates.
The truth is, I haven't been overly impressed or underwhelmed by the general talent pool that makes up the top 20 programs.
There are very brilliant people and average people disbursed throughout these programs.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 12:56PM
210 + 219 pretty well sum up this whole discussion.
Posted by guest , Apr 21, 2009 1:01PM
rocket scientist alert @222. first person who can figure out what this brain surgeon was trying to say wins a styrofoam cup from boa.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 3:43AM
@218
you make it seem like they teach you how to derive Black Scholes from first principles at the "top" programs... academically, there's not much separating any of these schools. Incredible faculty (look at the CVs of assistant profs at any nationally-ranked business school)
as far as curriculum, tell me if I'm too off base here-
financial accounting: Stickney, Weil
macro: Abel & Bernanke, maybe Barro
corp fin: Brealey & Myers
investments: Bodie, Kane, Marucs
options: Hull or McDonald
so in terms of a finance concentration, there isn't anything that separates a "top-tier" MBA from a pathetic Columbia or Yale MBA. Yale has Shiller, Barberis, Fabozzi, Chen, Ibbotson, Gorton, Metrick, Ingersoll, these are top guys.
Gorton was tenured finance faculty at Wharton when I was there for undergrad and Metrick was an asst. prof.
I do agree with you that when SOM people wear "YALE" t-shirts, sweatshirts, it is a bit disingenuous, but hey- each to his own.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 9:43AM
The reality of it all is that it doesn't matter which school you go to if you're a top tier candidate...admissions among the top schools are pretty arbitrary. it's what you do once you come out that matters.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 9:57AM
226 Actually, what really matters is your ability to pry revenue from customers. Contributing to that is a bio which includes one of the name schools - given the sums of money passing across the table, no one wants to be dealing with a Hofstra MBA. Any of them however will do. So the real key here is to combine a passing knowledge of whats happening - finance is not really that difficult - with charm and grace. You all know what that means: good looks, good grooming, nice accent. No fatties, no cheep suits, no Brooklyn honks. Simple as that. The exception of course is if you're a trader and have that innate ability that the really good ones have. Then all of the rest doesnt matter. You hardly even need a high school degree.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:30AM
Let's be honest. If you want to work as an investor (PE or HF) (PE assuming your post IB shop shipped you back after 2 years or or HF assuming you didn't skip the MBA all together):
Tier 1: HBS, Stanford
Tier 2: Chicago, Wharton, Columbia
Tier 3: Northwestern, Tuck, NYU, MIT
Tier 4: Ect.
This is just a generalization and people do get into top wall street non-quant buy-side spots from elsewhere but if you have to go to b-school (and hopefully one can avoid it) this is how the world works.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:38AM
228 Interesting. I'll buy that for PE, but HF requires a totally diff skill set. You want to change your rankings, or at least comment (on why a HF would like HBS or Stanford over your tier 2s).
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:48AM
WTF happened to that recent Booth vs CBS thread? That fucker had legs!!
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:58AM
@229 yeah I'm not sure if hedge funds are into any new MBAs to be honest. Quant obviously-> financial engineering and PhD students, MBAs just don't have the relevant skill set.
Non-quant- I've seen a lot of CPAs, ex big 4 valuation and tax guys- and of course, ex-IB analysts out of the ivies. Not too many seem to be hired out of b-school as career switchers.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 11:12AM
@225. Columbia MBA pathetic? Really? So Henry Kravis and Warren Buffet are pathetic. Please, get your mind right.
The Columbia Kid
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 11:21AM
@232 Well everyone knows that HBS is the best.
I mean look at their alum track record...
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 11:30AM
Whoa! Donald Trump online school of business got left out???
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 11:51AM
@230 I was thinking the same thing. Guessing that the "friend" realized how pathetic it made her look
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 2:34PM
@230, @235 yeah looks like Bess pulled the thread. my guess is, the shallow wanna-be had actually bragged about it to people she knew (put it in context of her post - can't you just see her doing that?) Then the comments started coming in ridiculing just about everything about this person that all of us disliked (and dismissed) immediately.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 3:06PM
Does that mean we will not get part II after her Booth weekend???
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 3:25PM
@221, 222 - I think this is right on. I just look at the rich kids I grew up with (myself included). Where are we now? Law school, med school, investment banking, pharmacy school, PhD science programs - and all of our parents are happy about it. A few will go to b-school after working for a few years. Essentially all of us will get jobs making six figures with minimal risk. The last thing a rich parent wants is for the kid to not be able to maintain some semblance of the good life. And they'd rather the kid "earn" it for themselves (of course, using the college degree paid for by the parents), too, rather than just living off Mom and Dad's money forever.
Most of us won't be CEOs or multi-millionaires (although our parents may be both or either), but our parents can be secure that we will get all that we need and more without the folks at the Country Club/Yacht Club talking about their lazy sons and daughters who just live off of them.
Many of our parents come from lower-middle class families and were the first generation from college. Both my parents made more than their parents the day they graduated and it was only up from there. The worst case scenario for them was working in the factories like their parents, so what was there to lose in risking it all to make a fortune?
A 1:2 Risk:Reward is always better than 1:1.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 3:41PM
232
225 was being sarcastic, quoted 218 as calling Columbia "pathetic"
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 4:32PM
238
this is the way the free market redistributes wealth -- very few children of rich will have the talent and good fortune to be as successful as their parents.. while folks who are poor come from nothing, and can risk their entire standard of living (minimal risk) and unlimited upside..
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:08PM
Well, I went to Columbia and I know plenty of people who went to Harvard first then to wall street or consulting and went back to b-school to move to another line in (wall street - consulting or buy-side).
If you get into a top tier bank out of undergrad and successfully parlay that into a hedge fund career - and you are still bringing in enough returns in this market to get the 20* in 2-20 - more power to you. But that is so tough to do you could have gone anywhere and succeeded.
*Or you are doing a Madoff
B-school and undergrad are two totally different decisions. I will say though Harvard is not the best for finance unless you already know finance. Its the best for prestige and network.
Harvard people take classes in MIT for anything quantitative sometimes. Case study method does not work for some things.
Now if you are an ex-bulge banker trying to move to PE there's a great argument for Harvard. There's also an even better argument for not going to b-school at all and going straight to PE.. even if Harvard is a great school - its 2 years. Wait another 7 years and do an executive program.
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 10:17PM
(Continuing from above)
I liked CBS as an international for the great reason that my b-school network (while weaker than Harvards in the grand scale) is here in NY and largely in finance.
The location thing is also huge or some people. If you were a really great networker and were thinking of networking your way into something in NY.........honestly you'd pick Stern over Stanford regardless of ranking.
My view is
Finance - Wharton (except value investing), Columbia (for Wall Street networkers and value investors), Chicago (for quants), Stern
PE - Harvard, Wharton
General mgmt and consulting - Harvard, Stanford, Kellogg, Michigan
Tech & VC- Stanford, MIT, Berkeley
Posted by guest , Apr 22, 2009 11:41PM
@242. Perfect post. @240. I can't believe you wasted your time writing that. You are truly a very stupid human being.
Posted by guest , Apr 23, 2009 9:25AM
Hey, if anyone bothers to read the
242-nd post in comments for b-school advice they are entitled to some straight talk.
Besides I was bored and waiting for my macro to run.