General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt and NBC Universal prez Jeff Zucker recently held a super secret dinner meeting with a bunch of CNBC "top suits" and on-air talent to congratulate the business network for doing such a bang up job throughout the financial crisis. Or did they? It's what CNBC flack Brian Steel would like you to believe, but the Post claims the meal was actually an "intensive, three-hour" sit down to discuss "whether CNBC has become too conservative and is beating up on Obama too much," spurred by "great concern that CNBC is now the anti-Obama network."
Supposedly Zucker was, in no uncertain terms, pissed about Rick Santelli's rant two months back and suggestion to his sheeple out there to go teabagging in protest. Of course, that's all coming from an unnamed source, and Steel insists it was a laudatory event. What should you believe? Tough to say. On the one hand, you'd be hard-pressed to find a group of people who congratulate themselves more than CNBC, and on any given night of the week you could probably find at least a handful of 'em congregating to nosh and auto-fellate.* On the other, if this really was a "thanks for the ratings" dinner, why, we're told, wasn't Erin Burnett invited? Or Santelli? Or Michelle Caruso-Cabrera's rack? OR CHARLIE GASPARINO?
Finally, and this may be neither here nor there, but Rudy Giuliani's appearance on Squawk Box this morning-- attempt to discredit the story? (For his part, earlier in the show, Joe Kernan stuck to his principles and attempted to elicit some Barry Bashing from gues and noted Obama supporter Jim Chanos over higher taxes. He failed, 'cause JC is no fiddle, only getting a coy "I'm not a tax expert, Joe," but the effort was duly noted.)
*I'd say circle jerk but you might've noticed it's every man/woman for himself over at the peacock.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:39AM
Aren't they trying to out FOX their competition?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:45AM
Yeah, the media is too harsh on Barry.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/media_having_trouble_finding_right?utm_source=a-section
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:48AM
@2- nice attempt. yes, the liberal media loves barry. CNBC et al are not the liberal media (and these days CNBC might as well be Fox News).
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:52AM
In three words: PRAVDA.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:57AM
Immelt and Zucker are both huge Obama contributors..they helped finance his election of "hope and change." Now that The One is being critized by one of the many networks that propped him up, Immelt and Zucker have issued the gag order. It's a common theme for Obama and his thugs - silence the oppositon.
Just like MSNBC covered the "teabaggers" yesterday calling them all crazy right-wing extremist nuts..anyone who actually went to the rally in City Hall Park (which pretty much shut down Broadway) would have noticed a wide spectrum of ppl from finance guys, to hipsters, to mothers/fathers with their children - so thank you Rick Santelli for getting this movement going and F Obama and the media he's got in his back pocket. America, Fuck yeah!
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:57AM
Consider the source of this story as the NY Post, another Murdoch property as is Fox Biz Net and Marketwatch. When reporting about CNBC they have as much credibility as Dick Cheney.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:59AM
@6- yep
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:04AM
please dont use the word sheeple again- you sound like a hipster. thanks
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:06AM
@5 = Rupert Murdoch
You should be using that arthritic rod of yours to bang your Asian chick of yours, old man - oh wait - she's being banged by someone younger. My bad.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:06AM
@8- fuck off
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:07AM
aww, sounds like @9 is a little sensitive about criticism of his tea party.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:09AM
@9-- 5 could also be any of the right wing nuts on cnbc (gasparino, etc)
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:09AM
We need more media coverage of the first dog.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:09AM
I had sex with a sheeple, once. Nice and woolly. I think she worked at Jefferies.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:11AM
Bess - the proper term is "auto-fellate." Please get it right before we meet again. Thanks.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:12AM
Any attempts to put cracks in our visionary leader would stop him from accomplishing all that needs fixing in the economy. If we shatter the president's credibility, who else will tell us what we did wrong and pull us out of this mess? Who else is going to make sure healthcare is free, energy is clean while cheap, our enemies transform into friends and the Dow breaks 30,000?
He's our last hope, let him save us from ourselves and right all the wrongs with our country! Everything is going to be fair. Oh fearless leader of change; please, please make everything fair!
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:14AM
oh god, shut up, @16.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:15AM
Where's my government cheese? Why isn't anyone reporting on that?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:16AM
@17
Want some wah burgers with those cheese cries?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:19AM
@19-nah, I just want @16 to be able to make actual criticisms besides ridiculous hyperboles that have no basis in reality or reflect anything ever stated by Barack and Co.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:37AM
@20, English major?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:37AM
@9 - look it up you JO - think those two arent big Obama supporters..have you ever even watched MSNBC?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:44AM
@4, that's either four words, or, one word.
Here's a one-word rejoinder: imbecile.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:51AM
@4, 12, 17 & 9.
Put down the Kool-Aid. The HNIC Obama would be KING of Auto-Fellatio, except that he has twinks like you at ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN and MSNBC to suck it for him.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:53AM
When Barry sez there's Government Cheese on the Mountain, . . .
Shut up and bring crackers, Bitches.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 9:59AM
El Comandante cracking down on the media, restoring relations with Cuba, adopting a dog that looks just like el Che. All at the same time...
I like it. Viva la Revolucion!
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:04AM
@24
blow me. How's unemployment working out for ya?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:21AM
Hi, I work in finance. What is a hyperbole?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:32AM
I didn't vote for Obama, but CNBC seems pretty anti-Obama to me. Kudlow blames Obama for everything bad that happens, and acts like tax cuts for rich people are magic. He gives Laffer a rim job AT LEAST once a week.
He's such a political hack assclown....
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:38AM
right-wing nut job = anyone who is critical of Obama
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:38AM
I continue to be amazed at the fact that people living in the mess that resulted from 8 years of GWB (6 of which he had the luxury of being supported by an R congress, thereby basically giving him king like powers) are so fast and furious in their criticism of BO, who has been in office for less than 90 days.
Oh, I know... he may be in office only a few mos but he's putting in policies that will cause ruin for the next hundred years. My response is that I doubt anything could be worse than what occured during the past 8.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:40AM
@30-nope, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:42AM
@ 5 - I was there too, and it was a big neo-con circle jerk mixed in with a few libertarians and their Gadsden flags.
One speaker blamed everything on Obama, screamed that we'd never let 9/11 happen again and that we're read for the War on Terror. The next speaker said we should demand our rights back from government (not realizing that you get your rights from your CREATOR, not GOVERNMENT).
My favorite sign was: "Less Taxes, Please." ---- fucking weaksauce.
It was the biggest bunch of missing-the-point/chest-thumping do-nothing neo-cons and republicans I've ever seen gathered in New York City.
No wonder Republicans got their asses kicked last year.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:43AM
@31
Your comment, though insightful, is like throwing peanut to a herd of pachyderms; They'll eat your nuts then trample all over your a$$.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:48AM
30 Not true. There's mostly Hannity-like "he's-a-socialist-trying-to-convert-us-all-to-Islam" talk. Which is in fact wing nut-ish and where the majority of criticism falls. Back up your criticism with some good fact based arguments and I'll listen.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:50AM
#30 indeed. That is certainly the view of the NYT and the rest of the liberal media
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:55AM
33 The rag tag nature comes from the fact that a lot of these people are at cross purposes. Example: some are anti bailout, some decidedly pro. Similarly, are they looking for smaller government or "good government". The former simply want no government and adhere to the starve the beast philosophy - cut taxes and programs will have to fall off. The later are resigned to the fact that we live in a complex society and govt is a necessity but want it to operate in a much smarter way.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:55AM
#35 Hannity is wrong- O is much more Fascist than Socialist. Listening to him talking about Public/Private partnerships should scare everyone
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 10:57AM
30 See 38. I rest my case.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:14AM
It's pretty hard to deny that the "free market capitalism"/foaming wingnuttery of Larry Kudlow has seeped into the news reporting as well. I mean Santelli's supposedly a reporter, right? And Bartiromo and Francis are even worse.
But that's not to say it's a bad business decision. Their audience skews rich and white, and it gives Fox Business nowhere to go.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:21AM
There is nothing "free market" about Larry Kudlow. The guy is a walking contradiction.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:28AM
WTF are you idiots babbling about? we're at war with *eastasia*. we've *always been* at war with eastasia. criticism of bigg brutha in these dark, desperate times is tantamount to treason, and will be regarded and prosecuted as such.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:28AM
Guest@#33...
"No wonder Republicans got their asses kicked last year."
Republicans lost last year because they tried to sound too much like democrats. They lose every time they do that.
WhyTF would anyone vote for a Rep who sounds like a Dem when he can vote for the real thing instead?
Guest@#35...
Obama was admittedly a moslem until he was 27 yrs old. He met Rev? Wright at that time and then experienced 20 yrs of Wright's brand of Christianity.
That's obama's religious background. The press gave him a pass.
Mitt Romney? Morman? Hell no! We can't have him in the White House. After all, Mormans are weird, aren't they?
The press knocked out Romney and gave us the loser McCain, another Rep trying to sound like a Dem.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:29AM
The fact is no one gave a shit when all the networks except FOX were literally bringing down Bush with inflated stories and bias. Only showing the negatiove side to his policy. The only fallout of any of it was Dan Rather. Do we forget Tom Brokaw on NBC saying "we won" when he thought Gore had won the election? How much more bais do we need. Mike Moores movie on Bush and 9/11? Oliver Stone's movie on Bush? The GOP has had to take on Hollywood, TV and the news papers and magazines. Time mentioning the 100 most infulential peopl of 2005 and left out BUSH!
How many Americans hold Bush responsible for 9/11 but think Clinton had no part in the blame? I bet its these same people who say Obama has been in office only 90 days what can he do about the economy? Meanwhile he ahs passed the biggest budget blunder of any sitting prez.
The GOP has been literally at war with the media in all its forms for at least 12 years. MTV's "rock the vote". The NYT constant liberal one sided stories about Israel and the GOP. CNN's coverage of Iraq painting only fgrim views. The networks refusal to hold Obama to task on Wright's church and his dealings with Weatherunderground.
The way i see it is FOX isnt bias its balance. CNBC is finally calling it as they see it rether then how GE wants them to see it for the sake of microwave sales...Oh the hypocracy!
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:46AM
@44....The LIBERALS have infarcted us with thar LIBERAL viRUS on SeenBeSee!! After Dent Kneel growed his hair back out from the skinhade look, he attackted them LIBERALS in power today!! @44 thinks like i do: LIBERALS are trying to control EVERTHANG. They support that French statue in New Jersy harbor and do you see that gal of the statue holdin a gun? NO!! Shes holdin a torch! Never take a torch to a gunfight! And how do you berry a torch? Yew don't!! That is why they want us to arm arselves with torches; cause yew cain't berry them in your back yard! Typical LIBERALS. Thank God for cornservatives who LOVE THIS COUNTRY.
~Karl Lugummer
Shack, Idaho
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 11:48AM
Guest@#44...
TGFD really likes what you wrote. My thoughts exactly, but you did a much better job at writing them down than I could ever do. Thanks.
Guest@#2...
Thank you for that link. Great story.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:08PM
CNBC isn't anti-Obama.
CNBC, is however, pro-Wall Street, pro-corporate, anti-tax, anti-big government and anti-socialism.
It isn't their fault that Obama is anti-Wall Street, anti-corporate, pro-tax, pro-government and pro-socialism.
But I can see how you could get that confused.
I just hope that the GOP doesn't nominate some religious nut (read as Sarah Palin et al) and rather picks a smart business guy (read as Mitt Romney) in the next cycle. Then all the Wall Street types can go back to the Republican party where they belong since it is clear that they are all despised by the Democrats (except of course when it comes time to make campaign contributions).
Case in point, how much do you want to bet that at fundraisers Obama promised that he'd never tax the carry as ordinary income. Yet here we are...
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:09PM
I cannot handle the abysmal spelling of some of these yuck-a-mucks.
@ 44 - thanks for towing the neo-con line for us.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:11PM
@45 i dont think liberals are trying to control everything. i think they are hypocrits who say one thing and do another. they are for the middle and lower class yet hold $10,000 a plate campaigne dinners. They are so PC and looking out for the minorities yet Obama sits in Wrights church listening to anti american remarks for 20 years. They say they are for Israel yet extend a hand to Iran. they say they want to be green and fiscally responsible and yet Obama throws the most expensive and environmentally retarded inaguaration in history. AND NO ONE SAYS SHIT!
Liberals are for the environment but use private planes and limo caravans to go to the Oscars, other events and to the store.
I believe liberals love this country just as conservatives I actually find the only difference between the 2 is the liberals way of life requires the conseravtives to survive. The liberal agenda is fantasy land and can only work in a vacume. You cannot use a pen to prevent a nuclear threat like Iran. its nice to say and makes great conversation but it doesnt work. it never has. We dont all get a pony from Obama in 8 years...
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:27PM
Commandment #1: Thou Shalt Not Take the O's Name in Vain.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:30PM
@48 thanks for being an anal retentive homo for us. Go play with your doll collection.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 12:43PM
@ 30 winner.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 1:31PM
Is it me of is the pres a little thin skinned (not a racist statement, just a comment about his temper and NOT his skin pigmentation). I found his, and the WH response to the tea baggers a bit on the snarkey side. Met alot of folks yesterday from dems to reps and libertarians as well all concerned about SPENDING and the lack of any voice from taxpayers. I saw little BHO bashing - if anything there were as many there pissed at Bush. So it was cool. Nothing personal Mr. President, it's just business.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 1:34PM
@53- what makes you think he thought it was personal? he was responding to the attacks on his administration's policies, ie his business.
take a lap.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 1:35PM
I can't believe everybody is ranting either about Barry or about how being in favor of free markets makes you one of Hillary's vast right-wing conspriracy...and yet nobody is writing about MCC's rack. This is not change I can believe in.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 1:55PM
@55 FTW
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 2:01PM
Obama spent the last 20 months side-stepping questions on his policy, beliefs and agenda. As a candidate running agianst McCain I guess he had the lux of doing that.
Now he is in the office and much like Bush was. He is forced to make difficult decisions that arent always going to be met with CNN,NBC, ABC, CBS, or ACORN style praise a' la the election. In the case of this budget?
We are real sorry capt. O'merica but the gloves are off. You want to enlarge our tax burden 10 trillion in an ecomomic downturn so we can build a train from LA to vegas, test pigs to find out why they stink, close Gitmo and shake hands with Iran? For your sake we all best get a pony, free steaks, world peace and GREEN energy Rolls Royces within the next 4 years...you may have promised a bit too much to get elected. I didnt belive you when you ran but i fear some people did...
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 2:05PM
@44 - did you see the movie W? That was hardly anti-bush, I hate bush, but felt bad for him and the hard decisions he had to make after watching that movie
_what was the positive side to Bush's policies? Catastrophy creates ratings
- no one holds Bush responsible for 9/11, as I recall he was supported when he went into afghanistan, it wasn't until Iraq that his motives were questioned
- as for MTV's rock the vote, do you believe that young people shouldn't vote? and what if the young are democrats? is that because they are influenced that way/ probably not, it's probably because they haven't made enough money in life to be republican
-oh, and can you tell me the not so grim views of the Iraq war? What are they supposed to show? the puppies in teh streets? it's war for christs sake, there is nothing pretty about it
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 2:34PM
It was Immelt and Zucker who set up Mel Gibson -- "what are you looking at sugar tits?"
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 2:59PM
MCC's rack in person is nowhere near what she pumps up on TV.
Laudatory? Good word. Second time used on site. Anal_yst knows when it was first used.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 3:23PM
@58 any movie designed to have you feel bad for the president is in my view negative. As you liberals (clearly you are) you would say that "Rock the Vote" on the surface was a movement to bring young people to the booth. Since I was in colleg and the assumed target age of Rock the Vote at the time I looked at Clinton's antics as a cheap dumbed down way of appealing to gen X. The idea of seeming cool rather then having an actual platform. He figured the economy was in such shit that he could skate by with a sax and weed acusation vs an actual stance on subjects. He was correct, the only issue is when it came time for office we got what you voted for a sax playing sex-a-holic who even you hold responsible for the biggest tradgedy on our history (i got that by your not balming Bush you must blame Clinton). It seem clear that you dems have once agian voted for fluff, rhetoric and hypocracy.
The not so grim view of Iraq is, we took out a modern day Hitler who in EVERYONES opinion was positioning himself to be the bigegst threat in the Middle east if not the world. Just becasue Bush didnt give him a chance to be the biggest problem doesnt mean he wasnt going to be. If Saddam had blown up Grand Central I bet you and Clinton and Biden and Pelosi would have said
"why didnt Bush do something?" no way to win. Thats the why the dems are hypocrits! If bush had those "pirates" killed as Obama did there would have been marches on washington about human rights...fuck you.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 3:26PM
61 I'm speechless. Tell me this is a joke.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 3:36PM
@62 then my job is done, no its not a joke.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 3:45PM
39 is confused about what the definition of fascism is.
31 proves 30 right by copy-pasting content from huffpo claiming that anyone with a criticism of Obama must have unwaveringly supported GWB in everything (and is therefore a right-wing radical).
35 forgets that outside of academia not every opinion must be peer-reviewed in casual commentary.
@53 that's not thin-skin, it's intellectual elitism. The ruling class always knows best, after all. He's of the opinion that we should all accept his word as gospel and bow to his government-knows-best policies.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 3:55PM
@61 - Feeling bad for the president after seeing that movie is not a negative for bush, Maybe I should have been more clear, Instead of thinking he was making huge decisions off the cuff, I now see how many corners he was backed into
apparently playing a sax and smoking weed was the better choice over a youth hating Bush, and an old Dole, I was actually a perot supporter
I dont blame clinton for 9/11 either, It goes back further than that, say about 2000 years when Islam and Christianity decided to not be BFF's anymore
we armed bin laden to fight back against russia when they invaded afghanistan, I'm sure we could have done the same to some group who wanted to oust saddam, not saying the idea was bad, but the execution was horrendous
Bush wouldn't have killed the pirates, just as Obama didn't kill pirates, as commander in chief, he gave the navy the go ahead to use deadly force if there was an imminent danger to american lives. It was the SEALS decision, you ass clown
-by the way, I'm not liberal or conservative, I'm the silent majority in the middle who would like to see all of you extremists shut your irrational pie hole and get a job, I mean really, who has time to protest taxes in the middle of the day?
-oh, I should probably add a fuck you too in here, cause I mean business!! (right?)
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 4:42PM
@65 So you are a Perot guy but not an extreamist? Wow, talk about voting without researching. Ross was the very definition of an extreamist and actually was his downfall. lets not go there...
The Rock the vote grass roots movement voted for the cool guy. Plain and simple...Bush didnt reach out, he didnt care and it cost him the election. Some say traveling around on Air F 1 didnt help either. The fact is Clinton won on fluffy movie star style crap and in turn thats what we got from him. If you understand the history of 9/11 why didnt Clinton the Oxford grad? How can you not blame him after 8 years and 15 attacks on our country during his term (the cole, the first WTC?)? I dont understand you. It seems simple, the point i am making is-
Obama ran with no real agenda. he didnt have to he connected McCain with Bush using ALL the networks and fil stars he could charge 10grand for a plate of pasta. That was the only real thing Obama had stood on. The networks created Obama blew him into this mythical legendary figure and now we finally get his agenda and it sucks. Its frightening and Obama cant stand the fact that Americans dont care about his jumpshot anymore. I hope CNBC and other networks stick with holding Obama to the fire, he deserves it. He has big balls to come into office with no experience and try to reshape a country that has lead the world since its creation. i think he is dangerous and frankly his stubborn attitude makes Chaney look like a Care Bear. Who the hell extends a hand to Iran? Why does he think he can do that?
This is where I add in a "fuck you..."
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 4:55PM
66 Obviously you've finished your tickets. Isn't it time for you to run along and catch the boat to Staten Island?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 5:22PM
@67 what the hell does that even mean? Are you saying I write parking tickets?
Or are you saying i finsihed your mother's free tickets for dirty sanchez thursday? because that would be a yes!
I wouldnt go to SI for anything. thats why your mom gets trucked in...
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 5:28PM
47,
Is basically right on the money. Hell, most of the CNBC guys outside of Kudlow and Caruso-Cabera are Democrats or centrist with somewhat left bent. they just happen to beleive in the free market which directly conflicts with Obama's socialist, big government views and policies. No shocker that they are question Obama.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 5:38PM
@69
You probably don't watch CNBC.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 5:40PM
@70 but he (69) does have a tremendous singing voice.
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 6:09PM
Have we lost sight of all that's important like abortion, gay marriage, and guns?
Posted by guest , Apr 16, 2009 8:02PM
70 - yup, I actually do. Read between the lines - it ain't hard to figure out where most donate their money - they are still reporters for christsakes.
Posted by e_anthony58 , Apr 18, 2009 2:24AM
ERIN BURNETT.....was on Celebrity Apprentice???? DAMN I MISSED HER!!!
She still is the future of NBC.
Posted by guest , May 01, 2009 1:53PM
there is still a lot of NeoCon here.... dont worry O is gonna spend some money in education so that u have no more excuses.
Posted by guest , May 01, 2009 1:54PM
there is still a lot of NeoCon here.... dont worry O is gonna spend some money in education so that u have no more excuses.
Posted by guest , May 01, 2009 1:54PM
there is still a lot of NeoCon here.... dont worry O is gonna spend some money in education so that u have no more excuses.
Posted by guest , May 01, 2009 1:54PM
there is still a lot of NeoCon here.... dont worry O is gonna spend some money in education so that u have no more excuses.
Posted by guest , May 27, 2009 12:27PM
Kudlow has to stop worshiping at the alter of Reagan and Joe K. needs to get out of North Jersey more often to see how most of the country lives, or is trying to live. These guys are so disconected from why the GOP is now an endangered species.
Posted by PatrickBateman , May 27, 2009 1:01PM
I heart Dick Cheney. Rumsfeld even more. You liberal wingnuts had this coming.