Re: Populist outrage.....Sen. Grassley just kicked Kneale's ass on CNBC!! Invited Kneale to Iowa to meet with the public. Kneale choked like the Patriots in their last Superbowl !!
@4- what's hilarious is that Kneale has been stoking the outrage himself and then today was apparently told by a producer to take the other side. It was so fucking fake, his outrage and the outrage.
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.-Ayn Rand
Does the banner in the second photo read: Bail out people; unemployed, workers, STUDENTS????
WTF, students need to be bailed out? Out of what? They're not working. They are living on interest free loans from the government. They've got the oldest bailout going.
These people are idiots. I hope they get struck by lightening.
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.-Ayn Rand
@13...where did you get your zero interest student loan? And it was sufficient to live on? Wow. You must be cheaper than I am, and that's saying something.
One of the few things funnier than a poorly written post from someone trying to act all superior is when that same moron posts his misspelled and grammatically incorrect comment 5 times. At least I can appreciate the irony...
#32, unfortunately nobody remembers that. Everybody rips the profits (and blames the greedy rich for not giving more) and everybody blames the rich when bad times come (and still blame them for not giving more). And the "rich" are the ones earning the money/getting taxed (75% of ALL taxes in America are paid by top 5% earners)...and the rest are actually subsidized by them. Nevertheless - everything is STILL the fault of those that actually can, do and make! Because they do too little, according to "little guy"
#39, you obviously did NOT read the comment of #38.
Question was: what's a Mexican?
Answer was - A Mexican IS a substitute for those Americans who are too lazy to do the work themselves and prefer to remain on social assistance.
Yes, Mexicans indeed understand that no work means no food. Americans, on the other hand, think that work has to be done - for free - by "riches" - and that they - without work - deserve all the profits.
#45, because Ayn Rand described everything that is going on today - in detail - almost a century ago. Including speeches and measures by government to "curb" the crisis. Maybe if some people at Congress and Senate read anything past nursery rhymes we would not be where we are today.
@48- yes... I always thought Rand was a hottie who told men (young, inexperienced men) what they wanted to hear. I never thought there were so many people who took her seriously. Marx described a lot of this stuff, too. So did Orwell. And there's no point quoting historical figures since we're being ruled by technocrats and they don't give a $hit.
@51
Forget about all of them, Spengler puts everything together and has been dead right for the past 90 years. The only them he missed was the information/ technology age.
"Jobs at union wages for all" on one sign, and "Fund jobs and human needs" on the other.
I only had a few minutes but I think those two pretty much sum-up the kind of collective intelligence and conceptual understanding with which we're dealing.
These people are like the "causeheads" in the movie PCU, everyone was there, across the liberal retard spectrum, from the "help immigrants" crowd to the "universal healthcare" to the general "rich guys bad" types.
It took amazing will power (and an overbearing boss) to not stop at the bar for a few shots on the way back to the office, ugh...
@51
Forget about all of them, Spengler puts everything together and has been dead right for the past 90 years. The only them he missed was the information/ technology age.
@60 I know you won't understand this but in the grand scheme of things you belong out there with them...right next to the guy with the sign "Capitalism Doesn't Work".
That you are inside typing like an idiot and not outside protesting like one was largely a matter of circumstance.
And, no, no one takes Ayn Rand seriously, 'cept Fucking Greenspan, who's found a "flaw" in his thinking.
When, exactly, are we going to figure out how to make capitalism work for a higher fraction of society? Just why the fuck should so many people lead such fearful, insecure, just plain crappy lives, slaving away for such a grotesquely miniscule fraction of the wealth available? (It can't all be due to the influence of TV). Why should some "members" of society reap billions of dollars for their service of allocating capital, and others lack basic necessities? Inquiring minds...
Because some individuals are more productive, efficient, creative, intelligent, diligent and ambitious than others. It is a risk/reward system. It is the premise our country was founded on - the ability and freedom to make your own life for yourself. Its why millions of Europeans risked their wealth, property and lives to cross a perilous and cold ocean. It is the foundation that motivates us to innovate and to work hard.
Those who do not have basic necessities do not deserve basic necessities because they likely will not work for them. Guess what, its Darwinism applied to society. Individuals can either work their asses off or they can die. Just because we do not live in forests does not mean we no longer live in a state of nature.
Societal obligation to those "leftovers" is an illusion created by a confluence of unproductive people. It is fostered by people whose parents were incredibly productive; so productive in fact it allowed their offspring to lead a life a sloth to dwell on 'fairness.' Meanwhile the rest of us work our asses off to provide for ourselves and our families. If I work harder than you, if I can think of more efficient uses of resources, do I not deserve more? That, to me, is 'fairness.' Perhaps you should examine why we/you owe anyone anything. Why am I obligated to provide for anyone but myself and my family?
Most of society has benefited enormously from capitalism. In fact, all of society has because we have social welfare programs to ensure that the poor are not dying in the streets like in India, China and Egypt. Look at the great manner of things that our middle class has now that their parents did not.
Get abroad and start comparing America to other places in the world. Then bemoan the state of our system and our capitalism. If you take away one principle about life, be it this:
LIFE IS NOT FAIR. IT NEVER WAS AND IT NEVER WILL BE.
Readers of this blog seem so wonderfully smug, standing at their windows, pissing down on the peasants who dare to protest. It is a bit reminiscent of the Russian upper classes as the Bolshie Rabble rousers tried to stir up the masses. They too were so sure of their natural superiority, of their place guaranteed among the elite. It didn't quite work out the way they expected, now did it? Watch this space!
There ARE people who take Ayn Rand seriously. These are much the same people who think that McDonalds is "cuisine" and Hesse is spirituality and FOX is "news."
Sadly, Vladimir Putin has told Russian lawmakers to support bankers rather than attack them. Obama on the flipside is probably long pitchfork manufacturers in anticipation of the next idiotic statement from congress.
'They too were so sure of their natural superiority, of their place guaranteed among the elite. '
I'm not naturally superior, I've met at least dozens of people smarter than I at grad school, Wall St, Corp America, and elsewhere. Your assumption that success came 'naturally' is both ironic and highly amusing, esp for those of us who grew up in places where 0.0001% ever knew anybody who worked in Manhattan.
I've just worked my ass of since I was 14, both at 'real jobs,' and at the lifelong job of learning and education.
Those who are too ignorant, or useless or lazy to do so should STFU. Or get on the ladder. Either way is fine with me.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:40PM
I'm so glad it is pissing down rain on them.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:41PM
恶棍生活
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:42PM
they all need snuggies
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:43PM
Re: Populist outrage.....Sen. Grassley just kicked Kneale's ass on CNBC!! Invited Kneale to Iowa to meet with the public. Kneale choked like the Patriots in their last Superbowl !!
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:44PM
canyon of zeroes
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:44PM
@4- what's hilarious is that Kneale has been stoking the outrage himself and then today was apparently told by a producer to take the other side. It was so fucking fake, his outrage and the outrage.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:46PM
The individual in photo #1 holding the "America Inc" sign, has upon his head... what?
Anal_Yst is in the trenches. Thanks for the photos.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by Investorcluzo , Apr 03, 2009 1:47PM
anal_yst - bberry or iphone? those look like good pics, but they are a little cloudy. couldn't tell if it was just the rain.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:48PM
DB set up a fund and I will kick in an appropriate share to buy all those assholes one-way tickets to Russia.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:49PM
@cluzo- not where sure you are, but it's a torrential downpour in Manhattan right now.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:51PM
@9- why Russia?
Posted by peWonderWoman , Apr 03, 2009 1:51PM
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.-Ayn Rand
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:52PM
Does the banner in the second photo read: Bail out people; unemployed, workers, STUDENTS????
WTF, students need to be bailed out? Out of what? They're not working. They are living on interest free loans from the government. They've got the oldest bailout going.
These people are idiots. I hope they get struck by lightening.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:52PM
@ 4, thanks for reminding me. here's something for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwfRyd9avY
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:52PM
Fucking dimbulbs.
Posted by peWonderWoman , Apr 03, 2009 1:54PM
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.-Ayn Rand
Posted by peWonderWoman , Apr 03, 2009 1:56PM
My apologies for the repeats, I did not double submit or refresh- weird. - weird.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:57PM
@13...where did you get your zero interest student loan? And it was sufficient to live on? Wow. You must be cheaper than I am, and that's saying something.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:57PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:58PM
guests@#1,5,9...
Many of those people have little or nothing in common with the clown outfit that organized today's march.
Why sneer at them? They don't have jobs anymore. Maybe even some are ex-Wall St. They're just trying to be heard. That's all.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 1:59PM
There are days when I wish my window opened, and there are days I wished my window opened.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:00PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:01PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:01PM
#16, BRAVO!
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:02PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by Investorcluzo , Apr 03, 2009 2:02PM
@10 - in an office in midtown. low floor. the rain seems to be coming and going in fits and starts - didn't want to pass judgement.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:02PM
Send these pinko bastards to North Korea. I hear it's a workers' paradise!
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:03PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:05PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:06PM
Guest@#11...
I would imagine it's because Russia really is a Criminal Enterprise.
The Guy from Delaware
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:07PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:07PM
The only reason the US living standard is so high is due to the slick bankers on Wall Street/Federal Reserve system.
If Bretton-Woods was never signed, these protesters would be working in the fields instead of the Mexicans.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:07PM
One of the few things funnier than a poorly written post from someone trying to act all superior is when that same moron posts his misspelled and grammatically incorrect comment 5 times. At least I can appreciate the irony...
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:10PM
And the plebes simultaniously give their overlords even greater power to steal from them with. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:10PM
#32, unfortunately nobody remembers that. Everybody rips the profits (and blames the greedy rich for not giving more) and everybody blames the rich when bad times come (and still blame them for not giving more). And the "rich" are the ones earning the money/getting taxed (75% of ALL taxes in America are paid by top 5% earners)...and the rest are actually subsidized by them. Nevertheless - everything is STILL the fault of those that actually can, do and make! Because they do too little, according to "little guy"
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:11PM
16
<3 you
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:11PM
#32...whats a Mexican?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:13PM
#37 - substitute for lazy asses on welfare who do not want to work themselves.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:16PM
@ 38
Mexicans arent lazy at all. Find me American day laborers waiting outside a Home Depot looking for work
mexicans understand no work = no food
americans understand no work = government handout on someone else's dime
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:17PM
Whoops ... Sorry for the spam comments.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:17PM
@7 The thing on his head is a bucket. Because we're blind to their tyranny.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:20PM
#39, you obviously did NOT read the comment of #38.
Question was: what's a Mexican?
Answer was - A Mexican IS a substitute for those Americans who are too lazy to do the work themselves and prefer to remain on social assistance.
Yes, Mexicans indeed understand that no work means no food. Americans, on the other hand, think that work has to be done - for free - by "riches" - and that they - without work - deserve all the profits.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:21PM
these guys are so lame compared to the london protestors. where are the costumes and riot police? im glad its raining...
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:22PM
@ 42
you are correct
39
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:23PM
us, russia, china, saudi arabia--looks like those are our peers, so we may as well get used to it.. why are people still quoting Ayn Rand, btw??
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:25PM
#45, because Ayn Rand described everything that is going on today - in detail - almost a century ago. Including speeches and measures by government to "curb" the crisis. Maybe if some people at Congress and Senate read anything past nursery rhymes we would not be where we are today.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:30PM
maybe that's tear gas?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:34PM
@ 45 -
would you prefer Alinsky or Keynes?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:36PM
@33 please spare me the English teacher nonsense. This is the Internet and no one cares.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:48PM
@49...care to post that 6 more times to make sure we can all see it?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:50PM
@48- yes... I always thought Rand was a hottie who told men (young, inexperienced men) what they wanted to hear. I never thought there were so many people who took her seriously. Marx described a lot of this stuff, too. So did Orwell. And there's no point quoting historical figures since we're being ruled by technocrats and they don't give a $hit.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:52PM
@51
Forget about all of them, Spengler puts everything together and has been dead right for the past 90 years. The only them he missed was the information/ technology age.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:53PM
51 - rand warned of this; marx encouraged it
Posted by Anal_yst , Apr 03, 2009 2:54PM
Personally, the last picture is my favorite.
"Jobs at union wages for all" on one sign, and "Fund jobs and human needs" on the other.
I only had a few minutes but I think those two pretty much sum-up the kind of collective intelligence and conceptual understanding with which we're dealing.
These people are like the "causeheads" in the movie PCU, everyone was there, across the liberal retard spectrum, from the "help immigrants" crowd to the "universal healthcare" to the general "rich guys bad" types.
It took amazing will power (and an overbearing boss) to not stop at the bar for a few shots on the way back to the office, ugh...
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:55PM
Damn I miss my job downtown.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 2:56PM
51 - rand warned of this; marx encouraged it
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:02PM
@50 was accidental. You got anything better than spell check?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:02PM
@51
Forget about all of them, Spengler puts everything together and has been dead right for the past 90 years. The only them he missed was the information/ technology age.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:02PM
These protesters are big time losers!Assbugs! Mga putang Ina!
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:14PM
Unions destroyed America. Obama Bless America.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:19PM
too maxine, didn't walters
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:19PM
who really has time to go stand in the rain and do this stupid sh&t?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:49PM
Who is John Gault?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 3:58PM
Too Atlas, only could Shrug
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 4:12PM
this makes me want to go to borders and buy another copy of atlas shrugged
to throw at people on 5th
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 4:24PM
who is willie gault?
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 4:29PM
You are all full of shit. Just don't lose money. It's that easy.
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 4:45PM
@60 I know you won't understand this but in the grand scheme of things you belong out there with them...right next to the guy with the sign "Capitalism Doesn't Work".
That you are inside typing like an idiot and not outside protesting like one was largely a matter of circumstance.
Good day.
Posted by Novice , Apr 03, 2009 5:19PM
@54/Anal I would love that movie for George Clinton alone
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 5:59PM
John GALT
Dammit, get yer pro/ant-agonists straight!
And, no, no one takes Ayn Rand seriously, 'cept Fucking Greenspan, who's found a "flaw" in his thinking.
When, exactly, are we going to figure out how to make capitalism work for a higher fraction of society? Just why the fuck should so many people lead such fearful, insecure, just plain crappy lives, slaving away for such a grotesquely miniscule fraction of the wealth available? (It can't all be due to the influence of TV). Why should some "members" of society reap billions of dollars for their service of allocating capital, and others lack basic necessities? Inquiring minds...
Links: (For SOME reason they're filtered...)
John Galt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt
http://agonist.org/tina/20090310/look_out_for_number_one_america_turns_to_prophet_of_self_interest_as_crash_hits#comment-182905
Ayn Rand: http://www.eschatonblog.com/2002/09/neal-pollack-gives-his-unconditional.html
Fucking Greenspan: http://agonist.org/tjfxh/20090308/martin_wolf_seeds_of_its_own_destruction
Posted by guest , Apr 03, 2009 7:13PM
@70
Because some individuals are more productive, efficient, creative, intelligent, diligent and ambitious than others. It is a risk/reward system. It is the premise our country was founded on - the ability and freedom to make your own life for yourself. Its why millions of Europeans risked their wealth, property and lives to cross a perilous and cold ocean. It is the foundation that motivates us to innovate and to work hard.
Those who do not have basic necessities do not deserve basic necessities because they likely will not work for them. Guess what, its Darwinism applied to society. Individuals can either work their asses off or they can die. Just because we do not live in forests does not mean we no longer live in a state of nature.
Societal obligation to those "leftovers" is an illusion created by a confluence of unproductive people. It is fostered by people whose parents were incredibly productive; so productive in fact it allowed their offspring to lead a life a sloth to dwell on 'fairness.' Meanwhile the rest of us work our asses off to provide for ourselves and our families. If I work harder than you, if I can think of more efficient uses of resources, do I not deserve more? That, to me, is 'fairness.' Perhaps you should examine why we/you owe anyone anything. Why am I obligated to provide for anyone but myself and my family?
Most of society has benefited enormously from capitalism. In fact, all of society has because we have social welfare programs to ensure that the poor are not dying in the streets like in India, China and Egypt. Look at the great manner of things that our middle class has now that their parents did not.
Get abroad and start comparing America to other places in the world. Then bemoan the state of our system and our capitalism. If you take away one principle about life, be it this:
LIFE IS NOT FAIR. IT NEVER WAS AND IT NEVER WILL BE.
Now grow up and improve your own life.
Posted by ekraus , Apr 05, 2009 9:48AM
Readers of this blog seem so wonderfully smug, standing at their windows, pissing down on the peasants who dare to protest. It is a bit reminiscent of the Russian upper classes as the Bolshie Rabble rousers tried to stir up the masses. They too were so sure of their natural superiority, of their place guaranteed among the elite. It didn't quite work out the way they expected, now did it? Watch this space!
Posted by ekraus , Apr 05, 2009 9:54AM
There ARE people who take Ayn Rand seriously. These are much the same people who think that McDonalds is "cuisine" and Hesse is spirituality and FOX is "news."
Posted by guest , Apr 05, 2009 2:43PM
Ekraus, do not forgot this: Those same people think that you are a moron...
Posted by guest , Apr 06, 2009 9:27AM
Sadly, Vladimir Putin has told Russian lawmakers to support bankers rather than attack them. Obama on the flipside is probably long pitchfork manufacturers in anticipation of the next idiotic statement from congress.
Posted by miami , Apr 08, 2009 1:37PM
'They too were so sure of their natural superiority, of their place guaranteed among the elite. '
I'm not naturally superior, I've met at least dozens of people smarter than I at grad school, Wall St, Corp America, and elsewhere. Your assumption that success came 'naturally' is both ironic and highly amusing, esp for those of us who grew up in places where 0.0001% ever knew anybody who worked in Manhattan.
I've just worked my ass of since I was 14, both at 'real jobs,' and at the lifelong job of learning and education.
Those who are too ignorant, or useless or lazy to do so should STFU. Or get on the ladder. Either way is fine with me.