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Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:39AM
FTW!
Posted by NakedShort , Oct 23, 2009 9:42AM
He doesnt have a CFP? What a goober
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:45AM
CFA>MBA>CPA>CFP. SMB
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:46AM
big deal, i'm scheduled to graduate this spring with 4 bachelors degrees. einhorn, call me.
-j. chiang
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:47AM
I got this letter 2 days ago, why are you so slow Bess?
-David
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:47AM
greenlight controller ftw
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:48AM
@6 DE is funnier than that. you fail.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:50AM
einhorn, if you put me up at four seasons i'll consider flying in to let you interview me. have an offer from third point already but show me what you got.
-jc
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:53AM
what's it like not being underwater?
-kenny g
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:53AM
Ein so horny.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:54AM
@ 3,
Always amazes me how low quality talent gets a CFA and thinks its better than a bona fide degree. It's a fuckin glorified Series 86
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:55AM
@11 low quality talent *tries to get a cfa, and generally does not make it past the first test. mba is a degree in bull shit, nothing more.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:56AM
@8
Only one problem I can see Mr. Chiang. It says here that your personal reference is Dick Fuld. That's gonna be a problem in these parts...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 9:59AM
if you don't have a cfa/mba/cpa you might as well work at mcdonalds.
-de
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:01AM
@13 - Oh sorry, thats a typo. It's supposed to say Raj-Raj.
- j. chiang, CFA, MBA, CPA, ATM
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:06AM
what do you mean, "you people"?!?
Posted by merkin capital partners , Oct 23, 2009 10:08AM
If having a CPA is cool consider me Alwin Ernst.
- The back office
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:10AM
if you don't have a cfa/mba/cpa you might as well work at mcdonalds.
-de
Posted by J_Chiang , Oct 23, 2009 10:15AM
Meesta Einhorn, I ready to graduate Harvid University. It good university, yes? You give me job make many dorrars? No more make batteries in Guangzhou?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:19AM
Have a baby by me and be a billionaire, be a billionaire, be a billionaire.
-Greenlight Intern
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:24AM
Grambling > Howard
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:25AM
@12 - how much money did you receive immediately after finishing your CFA? Now ask a top-tier MBA the same thing for when they received theirs. My bet is the MBA scored more money and the CFA is still stuck hoping for a raise down the road.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:29AM
@22 your bet is incorrect
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:30AM
What is the difference between a CFA and MBA anyway? There really isn't one.
Wharton Grad
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:31AM
@22/@23, I am going to arbitrage both of you fuckers by shorting both of you along with the Kiwi and longing CZK. Perfect trade.
Posted by merkin capital partners , Oct 23, 2009 10:31AM
Series 7 > CFA+MBA
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:33AM
I only like to fuck virgin sturgeons.
Dennis Kneale
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:35AM
DK + Sturgeon = best caviar ever
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:37AM
@19 dude, you're just not funny. hang it up.
@11,@22 I think 12 is correct that the CFA has a lot more academic rigor than anything you'll see in an MBA program- exception if you take Pastor's or Cochrane's classes at Booth or Lo's at MIT, but this applies to maybe 0.1% of the MBA population.
Europe values technical skill more which is why all top finance positions are filled by MSc mathematical finance/econometrics + CFA or a PhD + CFA.
that said, you don't go b-school to learn anything, it's more like $100,000 verification and credentialing service, plus two years off to job hunt full time. That can be helpful and a fun break from the pressures of work.
so let's leave at this: CFA exams plus good job performance= top school finance MBA
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:39AM
Beluga Knaviar
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:44AM
@29,
CFA exams and good job performance do not come remotely close to the "credentialing" conferred by a top MBA program. Are you kidding?
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:45AM
@11, clearly you are not a charterholder, have never attempted, or have attempted, failed miserably as most do. None of the MBA's I know are allowed to take risk for the firm, we make them do "useful things" like get coffee, lunch, and fix powerpoint presentations. Leave the hard stuff to the professionals.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:49AM
I'd add Cuoco's Fin 892 at Wharton, that's a b!@#& of a class, but otherwise yeah, CFA is much harder than MBA finance classes
(I have both)
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:50AM
I can't believe you a-holes are discussing CFA's and MBA's when the idea of DK having little fish babies is thrown out there. You guys are crazier than Blankfein urologist.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:50AM
@25 Save your "longing" for the romance novels and go back to pretending you know what you're talking about on the seeking alpha forum.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:52AM
@16, what do YOU mean, "you people?"
Posted by highlyconfident , Oct 23, 2009 10:53AM
CAIA > everything
~Wildcard Bitches!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 10:55AM
I meant little elf negro babies. What do you mean "you people" @36
-@16
Ok I lied I'm not 16 I'm 28
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:02AM
Every time MBA v CFA comes up, people post the exact same comments over and over again.
In the end if your an idiot it doesnt matter how many 3 lettered credentials you put after your name. You'll still get Chiang'd.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:04AM
CFA vs. MBA FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:06AM
@39, that is a lie. I never saw somebody post a comment about shorting both vs. a eastern european currency.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:08AM
@41 dont forget the NZD
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:09AM
Hey guys,
I struggled quite a bit with the CFA Level 1, eventually passing it on my fifth attempt. However, I feel I've since gotten the hang of it. Should I continue on the path towards the CFA designation, or should I go with the MBA? I feel regardless of my choice, I will continue to be very successful in the financial world. Nevertheless, please advise.
-Fullonrapist
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:10AM
it seems the MBA crowd bashes the CFA crowd more than the other way around- superiority complex?
is UCLA a top school? b/c Bill Gross has a CFA and UCLA MBA and could buy and sell every one of us on this board a hundred times.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:14AM
5th try? not sure if you're kidding about this... if you aren't the persistence is admirable.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:17AM
it seems Mickelson is really underplaced if he has a CFA and CPA.
He probably makes great money there but he knows as much about the markets as a lot of the research staff I would think.
Posted by Guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:18AM
It's not three letters that matter, it's two, bitches!
Mark Klein, M.D.
Posted by NakedShort , Oct 23, 2009 11:19AM
@44 We're not stamps so I doubt he'll buy or sell any of us.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:20AM
I am serious.
I only fuck virgin sturgeons.
Seriously. I am serious.
Dennis Kneale
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:22AM
@44 Bill Gross is a friend of mine, but after my book wins the Nobel Prize for Peace and I get a General MacArthur Grant I will be richer than Bill Gross
- Charles Gasparino
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:23AM
@46 who cares if he knows about markets? that's not his job. in his role, he makes a ton of money at a great firm.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:24AM
@49 its not gonna become a DB joke, its time to move on to a greg article and start posting about how regal someone looks. or feel free to stick around here and pull out a handbridge or a collie
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:25AM
My understanding is the Mickelson has a PGA*
tour championship win, at baltusrol
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:32AM
@ 53 and a lushious pair of mannaries.
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 11:46AM
any fool can study long enough to parrot back answers to pass the cfa exam...at least *top* b-schools provide a filter (gmat/essays/recs/interviews) that prevents the unwashed masses from slipping through the cracks. and yes, a small percentage still do, but fewer than those who have a cfa.
Posted by Guest , Oct 23, 2009 11:51AM
Phil could definately use a Manzier.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:07PM
@55 wow, that sounded arrogant-
I took the CFA exams and found them pretty tough. I was close to failing L2.
I also scored a 1560 on the SAT (recentered,1997) and a 770 on the GMAT (2007) so I'd say I'm reasonably intelligent.
also, I've yet to meet an out and out "fool" who has the CFA or is an alum of H/S/W/Columbia/Chicago.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:08PM
@55
What about the kid who gets into HBS because Daddy's either alum, a potential big time donor, or a big time political player? Also, the GMAT and any essays you fill out are essentially the same thing as CFA tests, so parroting occurs for grad schools too. Interviews can be bluffed if you're nimble on your feet.
I doubt there are fewer fakers in MBA schools than at level two or three of the CFA exam.
Posted by Guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:15PM
I know for a fact that Mark Klein, MD took the CFA test and waxed all of your asses.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:15PM
btw, have you read the bio of Mark Anson the former CIO at CalPERS?
this guy is insane-
http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/soxcomp/bios/biomanson.pdf
PhD Finance, Columbia
JD Law, Northwestern
CFA
CPA
CAIA
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 12:18PM
@57 - who, me, arrogant?
@58 - as I said, some do slip through the cracks...money still talks, despite what you've been told.
at least with an mba, you learn some social skills (not saying everyone retains them). unless you're content with being the guy who crunches numbers in the back, you need to be nimble on your feet...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:35PM
@ Cluzo
58 here
Maybe so. But I do tend to think that those social skills are something you have or don't have, regardless of whether you have a CFA, MBA, or as I have, a Paxachawatti Community Bank University Certificate that I completed my motor branch teller training. BOOM! Suck on that Mr. MBA!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:41PM
@60 that ain't shit. Unless you have NAVY Seals on your resume like Brett Barakett, along with MIT and HBS, I ain't impressed.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 12:49PM
@63 I can't find any confirmation on the web that Barakett was a SEAL. An MIT trained engineer + Navy SEAL would be the most ridiculous resume ever- the real life American version of 007.
Posted by Proud GED recipient , Oct 23, 2009 12:52PM
@55 well I guess we know you're an MBA fun boy
@58 he doesn't really believe that shit either
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 12:58PM
@65 - new here? it's pretty well documented on these pages where I went to school and what I do...and who are you calling "boy?" you want to take this outside to the bike racks?
Posted by Suits , Oct 23, 2009 12:59PM
@64
How about Nathaniel Fick?
Dartmouth BA
Recon Marine (not a SEAL, but not too shabby)
HBS MBA and HKS MA.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 1:09PM
wow, read his wikipedia- there's a guy on the HBS website who is an Iraq veteran, marines I think, also doing an MBA/JD.
For the record, there are some very impressive MBAs out there, usually Mormon or Military, or maybe foreign with a PhD in the sciences.
The average student at HBS, GSB or Wharton is definitely not up to that caliber, though their arrogance/self-absorption is unmatched.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 1:14PM
When I met with Tremblant, that's what Thomas Dempsey told me.
-63
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 1:16PM
why is it that all the b-school rejects find mba's arrogant? just askin'...and for the record, there more arrogant people than there are mba's
Posted by Jerome Graham , Oct 23, 2009 1:17PM
@65 I'm not new here son. Don't see any posts w/ your dossier. Enlighten me, if you got the balls.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 1:23PM
@64, you would be surprised at the # of Navy Seals, Rangers, etc have engineering and/or advanced degrees. West Point/Annapolis?
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 1:26PM
@71 - who are you calling son? I'm not your buddy pal. and I've got the balls, just ask your mom - she can enlighten you...boom done!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 1:39PM
I had balls too once.
-John Thain
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 2:00PM
Cluzo, well you're doing a great job on PR ambassador for MBAs.
I was lucky enough to go to an ivy and get the first job I wanted so there was no need for an MBA. But I guess in your world, that means I'm a b-school reject.
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 2:14PM
@75 - who are you calling ambassador of puerto rico? I don't even like politicians (but I do speak spanish, how'd you guess).
after you've worked for 5 - 10 years in the *real* world, where you went to school doesn't matter...mr. "lucky enough to go to an ivy and get the first job I wanted." talk about arrogance; hey kettle, you're black!
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 2:14PM
@ 73 Now thats a momma joke
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 2:21PM
@76, something tells me based upon your tone that you will soon be eaten by a gang of sea otters.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 2:46PM
Cluzo... I think in spite of the fact that you've been around here a long time, you may have just been the victim of the CFA v MBA trolls.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 3:13PM
Cluzo, STFU and kill yourself you fuckstick
- Not 65
Posted by Investorcluzo , Oct 23, 2009 3:19PM
@79 - nah, I was bored and felt like rattling some cages...
@80 - funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you. but I would have added that you should first JO&C...
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 3:23PM
Cluzo, u have me confused with your girlfriend Jeffrey Epstein
-80
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 3:50PM
@82 shame on you for talking about Jeffrey Epstein like that ... the man is an American hero
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 3:54PM
a hero in Bangkok child brothels perhaps
Posted by Anal_yst , Oct 23, 2009 5:11PM
So despite CalPERS CIO having a pretty awesome list of credentials, he still sucks big, floppy donkey d*ck at his job.
Just goes to show ya, in the end, the only thing that matters is performance.
Posted by guest , Oct 23, 2009 5:30PM
PB = Prime Broker, Prime Baby, & Prime Bess. PB brings it every day. Infer what you want from that, but she does...
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Posted by TGFBV , Oct 26, 2009 5:18PM
Did I miss something that said the CFA and the MBA were mutually exclusive? Effing slackers. Get 'em both and quit bitching!
Pansies.
Undergrad.
Work two years.
MBA.
Start working.
CFA.
It's not that hard, people.