From the mailbag:

“At year end Dec 2009, GoldenTree faced over a half a billion dollars of redemptions. After gating investors in 2008 for over a year, they finally had to face the music after pressure from its LPs who were tired of being locked up.

Additionally, there has been another high level departure. Tom O’Shea, a partner and portfolio manager who was responsible for chemical and industrials investing quit in December and becomes one of more than 14 partners or portfolio managers to flee the firm in the last 20 months. “

Earlier: Exodus At GoldenTree?

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  1. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 5:16 AM

    this is true.

  2. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 5:19 AM

    how does this place feel about golden showers? is that something they'd let fly?
    -you know who

  3. Posted by NakedShort | January 7, 2010 at 5:25 AM

    Golden Tee is a helluva bar game

  4. Posted by CoveredLong | January 7, 2010 at 5:30 AM

    This is nothing…I'll show you guys a real story.
    -Shel Silverstein

  5. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 5:33 AM

    i heard their funds are over their HWMs and had a ridic good 2009. Can someone confirm ?

  6. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 5:37 AM

    I would like to know someone's thoughts on this golden shower situation. Are *you* out there?

  7. Posted by Anal_yst | January 7, 2010 at 5:44 AM

    +~55% through 11/09 apparently

  8. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 7:38 AM

    @5/7 ridic indeed. Up 68% and 109% through November. Just barely above the HWM. Nothing like compounding on 44 cents on the dollar …

  9. Posted by guest | January 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM

    Funny! They're still growing their assets and I couldn't get into their CLO fund because it was closed.

  10. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM

    Who needs high-water marks, goldentree was charging investors performance fees while gated even though they were still in a loss position. they charged 2 and 10 all year to go from 50 cents to 90 cents on the dollar…check your documents, LPs…

  11. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM

    george bush likes goldentree so who cares about returns?

  12. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:35 AM

    as long at bob maztza is still there its all good.

  13. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM

    do you really think stevie cares about this? if investors bails, who cares? he can just gate 'em againa nd keep collecting bouco moula to buy a spaceships.

  14. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM

    @13 who the fuck calls Steve Tananbaum stevie?

  15. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM

    he already has the spacesuites…see this sweet photo…
    http://barrons.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ON
    now if that doesn't make you want to give a man some money….

  16. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM

    @14 i met stevie in the late 80s when he was a chubby little dweeb looking for a friend. he'll always be stevie to me…

  17. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM

    Goldentree staff: DO NOT COMMENT to these unfounded stories. We are watching you.

  18. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM

    @17 and remove any porn or photos of trees that aren't Golden from your hard-drives

  19. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM

    @ 18 What about photos of GoldenShowers? Are those allowed Mr Goebbels?

  20. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM

    you're money is safe here don't worry. relax. JUST RELAX. Or we find a way to make you relax…

  21. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:16 AM

    and no pictures of goldentree pee or goldentree fees either…don't kill the golden goose…

  22. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM

    investors: focus on the art. forget about the returns.

  23. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM

    @14. umm. his girlfriend…shhh

  24. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM

    @14 wait a minute. i call him stevie too. @23 who are you????

  25. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM

    I invested ten million dollars and all I got was a subscription to Reader's Digest and a Golden Tee bar game.

  26. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:24 AM

    @2 you can take a shower in steve's private golden shower stall. its nice and warm.

  27. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM

    Who the fuck calls George W. Bush George Bush and what does he have to do with Goldentree? Is he an advisor??? They trying to lose all their investors????

  28. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:28 AM

    release the golden hounds….

  29. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:30 AM

    couldn't have happened to more of an insecure jerk. i actually like the sound of stevie, suits him better.
    is that really what he was known as growing up??? its cute. so cute it hurts…

  30. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:34 AM

    if you need a friend, get a golden retriever

  31. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM

    I'm an asset management consultant and have studied GoldenTree. They have been overcharging investors for years for a hedge fund that doesn't hedge. Their best fund is a long only one that charges 50-100 bps depending on size. Why pay 2% and 20% for someone who just delivers BETA?

  32. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:39 AM

    Its so ironic. They used to start their pitch books with a little cartoon that said something like:
    my father like makes alpha…

  33. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:40 AM

    George Bush, Almond Brothers. How right wing are these guys???

  34. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM

    GoldenTree's best fund is a 75 basis point fee long-only fund. Investors pay way too much for levered Beta. Its going to happen again…Get out while the gettin's good.

  35. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

    @35 I thought all the funds were still gated??? anyone know?

  36. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM

    they have opened some funds but have limited redemptions allowed so its first come first served.

  37. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM

    @15 great photo. love it.

  38. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM

    @15 he does look small. what is with those suits? anyone know the story behind it?

  39. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

    i saw steve tananbaum speak at the milken conference. he is such a smug prick.

  40. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM

    Someone told me GoldenTree's head trader used to work for Bernie Madoff as a prop trader. Is this true?

  41. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM

    holy crap at the goldentree employees inundating this thread.

  42. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:00 PM

    go back to work GTAM employees. it doesn't help us look better.

  43. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:02 PM

    I have been working at GoldenTree for several years. There is no doubt that anyone who has left GoldenTree was fired by Steve. Tom Shandell was fired and then rehired because Steve forgave him. Everyone loves it here.

  44. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM

    Linda Grillo worked for Steve Tananbaum at Mackay Shields. She never worked at Madoff nor did any other current employees.
    check our website.

  45. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM

    @41 SO who worked for Bernie Madoff? I checked http://www.goldentree.com and didn't see anuyone…

  46. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:09 PM

    @41 I am pretty sure Joshua Press used to work for Bernie, but its not on the website anymore. is there a way to look back at the website from '06 or '07?

  47. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM

    @41 SO who worked for Bernie Madoff? I checked http://www.goldentree.com and didn't see anuyone…

  48. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM

    @15 briliant.! love it. i bet he wishes he never posed forf that.

  49. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

    @41 Yes
    there is something called a wayback machine that does this. i'll try it when i get back to my office.

  50. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM

    there is no way to go back into internew time unless the site was archieved.

  51. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM

    when are the reemptions paid out? will this effect the market?

  52. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM

    anyone know the exact amount of the redeptions? i heard $850mm?

  53. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM

    This is the first time the gates are oppened in how long?

  54. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

    i heard more like 750mm. but they are not allowing everyone out. only the first 500mm or so. they can sidecar some people.

  55. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM

    who is stevie? and what does that have to do with goldentree. SAC?

  56. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM

    do they still have pretty blond girls selling their funds??? or have they left too. ? i saw one when to ox ziff

  57. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

    give me a golden goose and i;ll lay an egg and sell it for lots of money.

  58. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM

    DEALBREAKER: Your number on departures is Low. Its more like 25 people and its about to get bigger….

  59. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:19 PM

    anyone know why their turnover is so high? is that normal for a fund?

  60. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM

    Leon and Steve are great guys, they just want to be loved.

  61. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM

    why did the firm put up gates ? and why did it take so long to lower them?

  62. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM

    Stevie Stevie Wonder

  63. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:22 PM

    @59 The departures are more like 35 people. Check your numbers. And the redemptions are $872,000,000. These guys are freaking out.

  64. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM

    Why is a big deal for them to have redemptions? If people don't want to oplay they don't have to play, we don't need them.

  65. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM

    We are going places. Just wait.

  66. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM

    What are start with Golden?

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    We are changing our name to IronTRee.

  69. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM

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  70. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM

    What about RubyTree that sounds nice too

  71. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM

    jack ruby loves goldentree and he was from texas too.

  72. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 12:30 PM

    I don't believe either of these stories. Check your facts. 212-847-3550.

  73. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM

    George Bush, Almond Brothers. How right wing are these guys???

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  75. Posted by guest | January 8, 2010 at 4:30 PM

    I don’t believe either of these stories. Check your facts. 212-847-3550.

  76. Posted by guest | January 11, 2010 at 7:56 AM

    I think you guys are being a little harsh. The fund is up almost 70% this year. Steve is a pretty talented guy.

  77. Posted by Anonymous | March 3, 2010 at 8:48 PM

    isn’t credit expensive now which would mean time to finally open gates on these types of funds.

  78. Posted by Anonymous | March 3, 2010 at 8:49 PM

    have they finally opened the gates or are they still locking and charging 2% and 20% for beta?

  79. Posted by Anonymous | March 30, 2010 at 6:41 AM

    we were gated by this manager and were forced to lock in until this summer to get our money out. we have just put in for redemptions.

  80. Posted by bsm5 | March 30, 2010 at 6:42 AM

    lots of risk factors here for institutional investors including a huge percentage of illiquids marked by the manager himself and a style drift into stocks that killed steve in ’08. get a stock manager to manage your stocks and an etf for your hy. you’ll do a lot better.

  81. Posted by bsg_1 | April 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM

    i am hearing about more redemptions for this summer when the lockups end.

  82. Posted by hedgie62 | April 6, 2010 at 2:44 AM

    GoldenTree gated every fund we had money in and forced us to liquidate or lock in for two more years. We are now redeeming.

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