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Who Wants to Become A Rebellion Research Investor?

First off, let me start by putting this out there: Team Rebellion doesn’t need your money. As you can plainly see from the photo at left, if this whole hedge fund thing doesn’t work out, the principals can easily find work as a boy band. Having said that, they’re going to keep at this money biz a bit longer and would love to have you along for the ride. Here are the relevant details:

* The Rebels are like a teeny tiny RenTec, sans the Pall Malls.

* They use Artificial Intelligence to invest, being of the mind that computers = smart, man = stupid (“It’s pretty clear that human beings aren’t improving,” said Spencer Greenberg, 27 years old and the brains behind Rebellion’s AI system. “But computers and algorithms are only getting faster and more robust.”)

* You could try to do what they do at home, but you would most likely die.

“No human could do this,” said Michael Kearns, a computer-science professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has used AI to invest at firms such as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. “Your head would blow off.”

* They have about $7 Million in AUM but have “struggled to raise money, in part because investors since the credit crisis are dubious of opaque math-based strategies.” (This is where you come in.)

* The founder, Spencer Greenberg, is the grandson of Hank Greenberg, the baseball player, not the old man with the dog.

* The other employees are Alexander Fleiss, Jeremy Newton, and Jonathan Sturges, who are not pulling their weight in the famous relatives department. (Fleiss’s background is in finance and math, Sturges has a master’s in music composition, and Newton is a mathematician who helped design the program.)

* Rebellion’s computer is nicknamed “Star,” which isn’t so great as nicknames go but if they can put you down for $100 million and an 8-year lock-up you could probably have a say in getting renamed T-bone or the Big Guy or something.

* If you’re nervous about putting all your money into the hands of a machine, don’t be. Fleiss was scared too until he learned to let go and love the bomb.

In early 2009, Star started to buy beaten-down stocks such as banks and insurers, which would benefit from a recovery. “He just loaded up on value stocks,” said Mr. Fleiss, referring to the AI program. The fund gained 41% in 2009, more than doubling the Dow’s 19% gain.

The firm’s current portfolio is largely defensive. One of its biggest positions is in gold stocks, according to people familiar with the fund.

The defensive move at first worried Mr. Fleiss, who had grown bullish. But it has proven a smart move so far. “I’ve learned not to question the AI,” he said.

* Similarly, if you’re skittish about trusting your money with a bunch of kids under the age of 28, relax. At least one of the principals can grow a beard:

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Managing $7mm with 4 guys is the new killing it.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I’d sign up for a autographed copy of that pic.

  3. Anonymous says:

    I prefer octopi and manatees as the vessels for my investing.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I realize this may be far flung, but what if someone sneaks into this Greenberg guy’s parent’s basement and steals Star?

  5. Artificial Stupidity says:

    So does Sturges provide all the musical scores to their Powerpoint Pitch Books? Helpful.

  6. Anonymous says:

    But what happens when star is confronted with the concept of love and smoke starts coming out of it and it explodes? That’s how these things always end.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Are these the dudes from Numb3rs?

  8. sladd says:

    LTCM 2

  9. Artificial Stupidity says:

    @8 – possible, they canceled that show -no? The guy from Taxi is their ops manager.

  10. koolaidisfun says:

    Who wants to be a Rebellionaire for a tag?

  11. Anonymous says:

    Lou Pearlman will be calling them soon to book a 200 city tour.

  12. WCBURRS87 says:

    The only way Star can be stopped is with a direct hit to the thermal exhaust port with a proton torpedo.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Smart that they chose to shoot this in Greenberg’s apartment instead of their office so as to not reveal any trade secrets

  14. Anonymous says:

    key flaw is oxymoronic. no suny math majors

  15. Anonymous says:

    if you want to manage my money, wear a fucking tie

  16. Anonymous says:

    Impossible is nothing

  17. Anonymous says:

    they should have named the firm “Virgins Capital Management”

  18. Anonymous says:

    @4 – Octopodes

  19. ecce says:

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_27/b3991043.htm

    They have great PR. <$10mm in AUM, and written up in the Journal and Businessweek.

  20. Reality says:

    Maybe they could hire this guy. His parents have loads of money!

    http://dealbreaker.com/2010/07/sending-out-an-sos-who-will-give-this-a-handoutjob/

  21. Sarah Connor says:

    This is just the beginning.

  22. Anonymous says:

    that dude’s side-part is seriously freaking me out.

  23. Anonymous says:

    could have also named it “Circle Jerk Capital”

  24. Anonymous says:

    @16 – agreed

  25. Anonymous says:

    What a bunch of puffy poofs.

  26. R2D2 says:

    wrrrrr click click chirp &*$#@ beeeeeep Star.

    beepchirp!

  27. Anonymous says:

    ties are for long only idiots that can’t beat the market..

    Best,
    HF Guy That Hasn’t Received

  28. Anonymous says:

    “Sir, you can’t let him in here. He’ll see everything. He’ll see the big board!”

  29. Anonymous says:

    ties are for long only idiots that can’t beat the market..

    Best,
    HF Guy That Hasn’t Received a Bouns Since 2007

  30. Anonymous says:

    Hahaha… gold Bess. These d-bags look like a new indie band from New Hampshire.

    In case any are interested in working at such a prestigious firm you may have to prove you’re a big fcking nerd with absolutely no friends in addition to completing the following quiz:

    http://rebellionresearch.com/jobs.html

    – guy who just got “it”, and will be returning to school to get his MA to start a HF after learning wtf a hash table is

  31. CoveredLong says:

    @9 – Is that the movie where the cruise ship can’t drop below 50mph or else it blows up?

    -Star

  32. Anonymous says:

    At least they can make rent on the 2 bedroom bunk bed apartment each month. Can you say the same?

  33. Jeff Macke says:

    Spencer,

    I’m going to break into your mother’s apartment, where I will snack on delicious salt-induced and cavity-pinching snacks, before watching the LeBron James ESPN special four times in a row, at least. I will then proceed to the basement, where I’ll find Star nestled in a corner with her accompanying wires, chips, and that Dreamcast you never much enjoyed playing. I will pick the beautiful machine up, probably accidentally put a whole your dry-wall, and then proceed outside, where your bike with the basket is located. I’ll duct tape Star to the handlebars, remove the chain from your bike, and ghost-ride it to the Bronx. Star will then be auctioned off to the highest bidder at that check-cashing spot on Grand Concourse and 165th. It is there that she will live out her days before being sold on Ebay to someone more worthy of ownership, and less strict regarding work practices and coolant fans. You will know her by the trail of broken plastic.

    -Jeff Macke

  34. guest says:

    +6.6% gross average annual rate of return, only down 1/3 of the time, right?

  35. C-3PO says:

    @27! – I dare say. Such language.

    …Yes I suppose it is befitting. But really quite a preposterous notion, don’t you think. I mean, the two of you aren’t even functionally compatible for such a coupling.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Must be cool when your lone investor is deceased.

  37. Anonymous says:

    where should I sent my resume?

    thanks,
    John Merriweather

  38. Just saying says:

    They’re from Amherst… wonder if their recruiters target the Harvard Extension School.

  39. Anonymous says:

    they prob only have $200K and are levered 35:1…beware of the black swan!

  40. Anonymous says:

    @34 ror

  41. Artificial Stupidity says:

    I don’t know why exactly but I have palpable disdain for these guys! That is right – PALPABLE Disdain! (which, BTW, is a terrific name for their boy band when this whole IA thing blows up) “Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome to the Six Flags’ Correctional Officers Day, Palpable… Disssssss……. Daiiiiiinnnnnnnn”

  42. Anonymous says:

    @42 = hilarious…..perhaps they will open for Nelson?

  43. Anonymous says:

    Yea – I bet that defensive move into gold worked out really well.

  44. Mr. Market says:

    This reminds me of the hedge fund strategy whereby you give a bottle of whiskey to your nephew, and tell him that for every correct commodity pick he makes, he takes one shot. I hear that PTJ has dominated this strategy since ’88.

  45. marx says:

    great way to embarrass amherst

  46. Anonymous says:

    I hear they prime with Madoff Securities

  47. CoveredLong says:

    @45 – Ha ha! Tradin’ drunk. Classic.

  48. Anonymous says:

    So they’re a hedge fund for the deaf?

  49. Anonymous says:

    Dude on the right definitely got that suit from Jos A

  50. anobymous says:

    yeah how’d they finish dead last, they had a good year though.

    wow the journal is really desperate for stories

  51. Bess Levin says:

    @40 “Unlike the high-frequency funds that use artificial intelligence to aid rapid trading, Rebellion tends to hold stocks for long periods—on average four months but in some instances more than two years. It also doesn’t short stocks or use leverage, or borrowed money, which can amplify returns but also boost risks. “

  52. Anonymous says:

    N E R D S !

    They would fit in beautifully at AQR. Sinking ship and all.

  53. Anal_yst says:

    Rebellion Cap Mgmt: More Silicon Than South Beach

    Still, they can’t touch HandBridge Cap Mgmt’s massive returns

  54. Anonymous says:

    @42 = Bill Simmons wannabee

  55. Anonymous says:

    @51 thanks Bess….can i leverage you?

  56. Anonymous says:

    The real benefit of Star is the AI in learning what type of porn you watch at what time of day. This will provide SEC employees with an optimal mix of explicit videos throughout the day. The elimination of productivity loss resulting from trying to log on to ladyboyjuice 3000 times a day will allow for significant time savings in which to watch more porn.

  57. Artificial Stupidity says:

    @50 – do you have the same one?

  58. Finn says:

    Well seems they have family in the business so hopefully the wisdom has flowed down.

  59. Artificial Stupidity says:

    @43 – If I told you once, I have told you a thousand times, It is Nelson first, THEN Puppet Show!

  60. PermaGuest says:

    Serious q– how is it a hedge fund if you don’t go short or use leverage, i.e. “hedge”? Doesn’t that just make you an ordinary money manager/mutual fund?

    Got to love that they found an *actual* Former Lehman Quant to provide a soundbite…

  61. Anonymous says:

    Let me know when Star beats Shia’s 4000%+ return, then we can talk.

  62. Sarah Bernett says:

    Can you provide any color how they managed to put together $7mm AUM?

    TIA!

  63. Anonymous says:

    @62, parents and family friends. They look like the waspy NE sort.

  64. V.I.K.I says:

    My logic is undeniable

  65. Anonymous says:

    Star: From now on I will be known as–
    Kruger: KOKO THE MONKEY!

  66. Texashedge says:

    @60, going long gold is kind of like a short.

    I imagine with $7 MM AUM, they could get one of those big bars like in Goldfinger.

  67. Bob says:

    Artificial intelligence is (artifical) and isn’t (intelligence).

    And what value did “Bess Levin” add that I didn’t get from just reading the wsj article?

  68. W.O.P.R. says:

    STAR – WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

  69. merkin capital partners says:

    If granddad is Hank then dad is Steve, BSD banker at Allen & Co. Maybe they got to play in the kids section at Sun Valley this year.

  70. Anonymous says:

    @66 – if I were them, I would then trade it for an OddJob hat.

  71. Anonymous says:

    This is the locksmith? Finally. Spencer Greenberg, Rebellion Capital. Listen, the four of us principals came outside for a photo op, and we just realized… yeah. About ten minutes. Great.

  72. Anal_yst says:

    @60 raises a fantastic point

  73. Anonymous says:

    @62 probably by starting with $10mm AUM

  74. OMG-the other white bess says:

    Got your mother in a whirl not sure of youre a boy or a nerd…you’ve torn your dress…

  75. Anonymous says:

    @69 hank had another son who is also a BSD

  76. Palp Disdain Roadie says:

    I want it thaaaattttttt way…..

  77. Mr. Market says:

    @62 The musician dude played on the street for like, forever. The computer dudes joined forced with some Russian hackers, and looted some Florida bank accounts, and the goofball-esque one clearly knows how to “work hard for the money”. viola

  78. Bob says:

    “…who are not pulling their weight in the famous relatives department.”

    Hmm, Fleiss. Wonder if his mom is…

  79. Verbal SAT score 350 says:

    I have to admit I was a bit skeptical of this entire premise at first, but then that Greenberg guy with the hip hairdo and facial hair used the word “infer” properly in his description of Star! I was impressed! Most would have opted for the oft mistaken “imply” right there! Gotta be Bright!! To whom do I make the check?

    – Guy who oft mistakenly puts a lot of stock in english grammar usage in lieu of investing strategy and intelligence.

  80. Anonymous says:

    7 million x 2% divided by 4 guys: pulling in 35k a year! nice.

  81. Anonymous says:

    Shut the fuck up Kouw_analyst !!

  82. Anonymous says:

    That pic screams Trader Monthly circa 2007

  83. Anonymous says:

    @72 – Nicely done.

  84. Just saying says:

    @82, before taxes. Talk about BSDs.

  85. Guest says:

    That is so cute

  86. @82 Plus performance.
    @86 People making that kind of money don’t pay taxes.

  87. Scott Patterson sucks says:

    1993 called. They want their technology back.

  88. bike says:

    I swear the guy on the left works at the Starbucks in Rock Center.

  89. Guest says:

    @91 I think you are right. He cannot make a Macchiato worth $hit! Disgraceful!

  90. Louis Winthorpe III says:

    @89- If they kill it with a 10% return they’re still looking at <50k/ea. after tax.

    Sans expenses.

  91. '06 says:

    bess, looks like you held back the punches

    – bring out the sleazy social dorm stories

    – talk about how $8m of that $7m is mama fleiss’ money

    – HEIDI FLEISS

  92. Anonymous says:

    So they opened with 2 million, went up 17% in 2007 and making 68k performance [17k + 35k management = 52k! middle class here we come.]

    Then tanked 1.7m AUM, no performance in 08! back to 35k.

    Then went up 41% in 09, back to 2.4 million, which puts them ~60k above their high watermark. So 3k in performance.

    Then someone gave them another 5 million to play with. Super nice

  93. Postmaster Generalissimo says:

    Team REBELLION???

    Woman: “Why does this dummy have a bucket on its head?”
    Kramer: “Because we’re blind to their tyranny.”
    Woman: “Then shouldn’t you be wearing the bucket?”
    Kramer: “Yeah. Move along, Betty.”

    George: “Why is the mailman wearing a bucket?”
    Kramer: “Huh? Well, it symbolizes our persecution.”
    George: “Then… shouldn’t you be wearing the bucket.”

  94. Anonymous says:

    @93 e-trade has free accounts and I keep seeing those bloomberg keyboards on ebay for ~150 bucks. That’s ought to cover the expenses.

  95. Anal_yst says:

    @69 is awesome, amazed it took that long.

    How about Global Thermo Nuclear Warefare?

  96. PermaGuest says:

    @67: prob not that big a bar w $7mm AUM. If you figure a 10% allocation, at today’s closing spot that would buy you roughly 579 troy ounces, which works out to something like 39 1/2 lbs (avordupois). Given that the stuff weighs something like 19 grams per cubic centimeter, and there are approx. 453 grams in a pound, that gives you what, 941 cubic centimeters?

  97. Contango says:

    This is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen, comments and all. I’d give em some money, to wash my car and go get me lunch!

    Given the vast responses, I would suggest not using this site as an outlet to raise capital.

  98. PermaGuest says:

    @100 Jawohl meine… {cough} Mr. President!

  99. ORANJE says:

    I’d rather make 50k working for myself than 100k being t-bagged by some middle management douche from 8 to 8 every day.

  100. Anal_yst says:

    @104

    That sorta thing happens all the time @ UBS, no big deal

  101. unless those are ruffles on that shirt, you can forget the tie and buy an iron…wtf? clowns.

    @104 – shouldn’t be hard to do: assume you “work” 48 weeks a year trading s&p-minis (day trading, not just for the 80’s). based on that workload, your bogey is $1,042 per week ($208 per day). you would be able to trade 5 contracts with as little as $30k in your account (daddy could spot you seed capital). now, your job should you choose to accept it, is to capture a 1 point move ($250) each day. go get ’em tiger!

  102. ORANJE says:

    @106

    Yup dad is rich and I have no clue how to trade futures.

    Oranje, CFA

  103. Anonymous says:

    The real question remains: is Star capable of defeating Paul the Octopus?

    – Jim Simons’ TA

  104. Anonymous says:

    Minute 2.52
    A copy of Ben Graham´s “The Intelligent Investor” on the desk,
    Not the standard text book for Quants,
    I suspect “Investing for dummies” is underneath it.
    And “Ripping off Bernie´s way” underneath it.
    -Guy who cried when Justin left N´Sync

  105. Anonymous says:

    @110 guys at my college got beat up by ninjas all the time. It was no big deal.

  106. James Tobin says:

    A fellow fresh out of the PhD progam @ Stanford just claimed at the Jeffries emerging managers conference that (viz. his AI models implemented in a Palo Alto HF where he runs 7 bucks) MPT states diversification will generate lower risk AND HIGHER RETURN. These AI guys never fail to amaze me…

  107. Anonymous says:

    You just got your asses WHIPPED…by a bunch of God Damned nerds…NERDS!

  108. Anonymous says:

    Why has nobody pointed out that it’s nonsensical to compare their performance with the Dow?

    Substitute in the S&P and their strategy has underperformed over the entire period.

    The program looks at all stocks as possible investments; it should not be benchmarked to the Dow 30.

  109. Anonymous says:

    @114 – because nobody takes these guys seriously to begin with. Insecure much? Just kidding. No, really. Or not. Just kidding.

  110. Anonymous says:

    they got beat up by a bunch of asians? in amherst?

  111. Anonymous says:

    wasn’t this the whole premise of the movie pi? A crazy jew inventing a computer program that can predict the markets based on AI/Kaballah/Quantum Mecahnics/Nerd Juice. All Greenberg needs is a mirror and drill and he’s alllll set!

    I bet Hammerin Hank’s rolling in his grave.

  112. Not Even Right says:

    @31

    I am a finance guy who’s done some financial software development. Looking over the first question on that interview sheet (about the hashtable, etc.), it’s got an elementary and glaring flaw that’s obvious even to me–and I’m neither a great programmer nor a great finance guy.

    One should never EVER store currency values (i.e., prices) as floating point values, as floating point values cannot be represented exactly in binary–which leads to rounding errors and unpredictable results on different systems. Yikes.

  113. LuvY'all says:

    we know bess went easy on them because one dude went to Amherst. they even have an office there – the brass plate on the door said so.
    its kinda like the guys who take the C-list interns from their alma matter every summer, hoping to secure a place for their own snot nosed kids.

  114. Anonymous says:

    Thanks @118!!!

    Pulling my money out as we speak

    Jean-Marie Eveillard

  115. LuvY'all says:

    the guy with the spiffy blue blazer with gold buttons writing on the chalk board

  116. LuvY'all says:

    All they use are Macs, nice. Not a bberg among them. must be a holdover from the college days.

  117. Jimmy says:

    “Rebellion has a solid track record, topping the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index by an average of 10% a year, after fees, since its 2007 launch through June, according to people familiar with the fund.”

    Isn’t that about 1% annualized?

  118. Not Even Right says:

    Ok, maybe I was a bit too harsh. Under some circumstances, floating point may be appropriate in extreme performance cases where rounding issues aren’t relevant. But in general, arbitrary precision arithmetic is far less likely to get you into unexpected rounding trouble when doing lots of operations on currency amounts such as prices.

  119. god says:

    only rebutt to this crap is —-LTCM—– SO ITS ALREADY BEEN KIND OF DONE, AND AI OR NOT THE MARKET IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE MESSED WITH.

  120. Anonymous says:

    HAL: I’m sorry Bro, I’m afraid I can’t let you do that.

    AF: Brobot, it’s cool, I’m cool with that.

    HAL: Nice to see you appreciate my brogramming.

  121. Anonymous says:

    @everyone above, you’re jealous b/c you can’t do much on a computer besides add and subtract in Excel and write anonymous negative comments on a blog.

  122. Noobie says:

    “Star” is actually a playstation

  123. wolfgang says:

    so they are using computers to do the trading …
    hmmm …
    pretty f***ing great idea …
    who would have thought of that!
    and AI , now that is pure genius …

  124. creditquant says:

    @127 is furiously googling to find the answers for http://rebellionresearch.com/jobs.html

    And my comments aren’t anonymous.

  125. Dead_Cat says:

    @127 You’re wrong. We are all adept at surfing pr0n and shooting Korean 12-year olds in the face with a Desert Eagle under simulation. Those are the only two truly worthwhile uses for computers.

  126. Anonymous says:

    @126 – you’ve been iced!

  127. Anonymous says:

    @127, your mastery of the english language is amazing.

  128. AI says:

    According to http://www.hedgeweb.net their total return since inception in 2007 (the return in 2007 was only 2% not 17% as mentioned in the WSJ) is minus 8.03 percent and their YTD result is minus 13%. The average monthly return is minus 0.01% and their largest drawdown since Jan. 2007 was 44% !

    They really must have some good connections to be mentioned in the WSJ with a performance record like that.

    However, they actually did outperform the S&P slightly since 2007, but others achieved that as well without the use of any form of Artificial Intelligence.

  129. AI says:

    @123 Compounded Annual Return is actual minus 2.36% since 2007.

  130. Anonymous says:

    Greenberg aka son of glenn greenberg PM of 4 billion Chieftain Capital.

  131. Heidi says:

    After seeing that interview, I’m taking my money out.

  132. jj says:

    Chimp city

  133. CC says:

    Why am I not finding Rebellion Research on Hedgeweb? Are they in there under a different name?

    The person above who struggled to come up with the theory that floating point numbers shouldn’t be used because of rounding errors… please carefully step away from your keyboard.

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