• 14 Jul 2010 at 1:30 PM

Who Wants to Become A Rebellion Research Investor?

First off, let me start by putting this out there: Team Rebellion doesn’t need your money. As you can plainly see from the photo at left, if this whole hedge fund thing doesn’t work out, the principals can easily find work as a boy band. Having said that, they’re going to keep at this money biz a bit longer and would love to have you along for the ride. Here are the relevant details:

* The Rebels are like a teeny tiny RenTec, sans the Pall Malls.

* They use Artificial Intelligence to invest, being of the mind that computers = smart, man = stupid (“It’s pretty clear that human beings aren’t improving,” said Spencer Greenberg, 27 years old and the brains behind Rebellion’s AI system. “But computers and algorithms are only getting faster and more robust.”)

* You could try to do what they do at home, but you would most likely die.

“No human could do this,” said Michael Kearns, a computer-science professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has used AI to invest at firms such as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. “Your head would blow off.”

* They have about $7 Million in AUM but have “struggled to raise money, in part because investors since the credit crisis are dubious of opaque math-based strategies.” (This is where you come in.)

* The founder, Spencer Greenberg, is the grandson of Hank Greenberg, the baseball player, not the old man with the dog.

* The other employees are Alexander Fleiss, Jeremy Newton, and Jonathan Sturges, who are not pulling their weight in the famous relatives department. (Fleiss’s background is in finance and math, Sturges has a master’s in music composition, and Newton is a mathematician who helped design the program.)

* Rebellion’s computer is nicknamed “Star,” which isn’t so great as nicknames go but if they can put you down for $100 million and an 8-year lock-up you could probably have a say in getting renamed T-bone or the Big Guy or something.

* If you’re nervous about putting all your money into the hands of a machine, don’t be. Fleiss was scared too until he learned to let go and love the bomb.

In early 2009, Star started to buy beaten-down stocks such as banks and insurers, which would benefit from a recovery. “He just loaded up on value stocks,” said Mr. Fleiss, referring to the AI program. The fund gained 41% in 2009, more than doubling the Dow’s 19% gain.

The firm’s current portfolio is largely defensive. One of its biggest positions is in gold stocks, according to people familiar with the fund.

The defensive move at first worried Mr. Fleiss, who had grown bullish. But it has proven a smart move so far. “I’ve learned not to question the AI,” he said.

* Similarly, if you’re skittish about trusting your money with a bunch of kids under the age of 28, relax. At least one of the principals can grow a beard:

Comments (295)

  1. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:42 PM

    Managing $7mm with 4 guys is the new killing it.

  2. Posted by Albert Shiryaev | July 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM

    Beautiful minds.

  3. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM

    I’d sign up for a autographed copy of that pic.

  4. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM

    I prefer octopi and manatees as the vessels for my investing.

  5. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM

    I realize this may be far flung, but what if someone sneaks into this Greenberg guy’s parent’s basement and steals Star?

  6. Posted by Artificial Stupidity | July 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM

    So does Sturges provide all the musical scores to their Powerpoint Pitch Books? Helpful.

  7. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:52 PM

    But what happens when star is confronted with the concept of love and smoke starts coming out of it and it explodes? That’s how these things always end.

  8. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:52 PM

    Are these the dudes from Numb3rs?

  9. Posted by sladd | July 14, 2010 at 1:54 PM

    LTCM 2

  10. Posted by Artificial Stupidity | July 14, 2010 at 1:54 PM

    @8 – possible, they canceled that show -no? The guy from Taxi is their ops manager.

  11. Posted by koolaidisfun | July 14, 2010 at 1:55 PM

    Who wants to be a Rebellionaire for a tag?

  12. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:55 PM

    Lou Pearlman will be calling them soon to book a 200 city tour.

  13. Posted by WCBURRS87 | July 14, 2010 at 1:56 PM

    The only way Star can be stopped is with a direct hit to the thermal exhaust port with a proton torpedo.

  14. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:56 PM

    Smart that they chose to shoot this in Greenberg’s apartment instead of their office so as to not reveal any trade secrets

  15. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM

    key flaw is oxymoronic. no suny math majors

  16. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:57 PM

    if you want to manage my money, wear a fucking tie

  17. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM

    Impossible is nothing

  18. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM

    they should have named the firm “Virgins Capital Management”

  19. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM

    @4 – Octopodes

  20. Posted by ecce | July 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM

    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_27/b3991043.htm

    They have great PR. <$10mm in AUM, and written up in the Journal and Businessweek.

  21. Posted by Reality | July 14, 2010 at 2:00 PM

    Maybe they could hire this guy. His parents have loads of money!

    http://dealbreaker.com/2010/07/sending-out-an-sos-who-will-give-this-a-handoutjob/

  22. Posted by Sarah Connor | July 14, 2010 at 2:00 PM

    This is just the beginning.

  23. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM

    that dude’s side-part is seriously freaking me out.

  24. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:02 PM

    could have also named it “Circle Jerk Capital”

  25. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM

    @16 – agreed

  26. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM

    What a bunch of puffy poofs.

  27. Posted by R2D2 | July 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM

    wrrrrr click click chirp &*$#@ beeeeeep Star.

    beepchirp!

  28. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:05 PM

    ties are for long only idiots that can’t beat the market..

    Best,
    HF Guy That Hasn’t Received

  29. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:05 PM

    “Sir, you can’t let him in here. He’ll see everything. He’ll see the big board!”

  30. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM

    ties are for long only idiots that can’t beat the market..

    Best,
    HF Guy That Hasn’t Received a Bouns Since 2007

  31. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

    Hahaha… gold Bess. These d-bags look like a new indie band from New Hampshire.

    In case any are interested in working at such a prestigious firm you may have to prove you’re a big fcking nerd with absolutely no friends in addition to completing the following quiz:

    http://rebellionresearch.com/jobs.html

    - guy who just got “it”, and will be returning to school to get his MA to start a HF after learning wtf a hash table is

  32. Posted by CoveredLong | July 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM

    @9 – Is that the movie where the cruise ship can’t drop below 50mph or else it blows up?

    -Star

  33. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM

    At least they can make rent on the 2 bedroom bunk bed apartment each month. Can you say the same?

  34. Posted by Jeff Macke | July 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM

    Spencer,

    I’m going to break into your mother’s apartment, where I will snack on delicious salt-induced and cavity-pinching snacks, before watching the LeBron James ESPN special four times in a row, at least. I will then proceed to the basement, where I’ll find Star nestled in a corner with her accompanying wires, chips, and that Dreamcast you never much enjoyed playing. I will pick the beautiful machine up, probably accidentally put a whole your dry-wall, and then proceed outside, where your bike with the basket is located. I’ll duct tape Star to the handlebars, remove the chain from your bike, and ghost-ride it to the Bronx. Star will then be auctioned off to the highest bidder at that check-cashing spot on Grand Concourse and 165th. It is there that she will live out her days before being sold on Ebay to someone more worthy of ownership, and less strict regarding work practices and coolant fans. You will know her by the trail of broken plastic.

    -Jeff Macke

  35. Posted by guest | July 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM

    +6.6% gross average annual rate of return, only down 1/3 of the time, right?

  36. Posted by C-3PO | July 14, 2010 at 2:12 PM

    @27! – I dare say. Such language.

    …Yes I suppose it is befitting. But really quite a preposterous notion, don’t you think. I mean, the two of you aren’t even functionally compatible for such a coupling.

  37. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:13 PM

    Must be cool when your lone investor is deceased.

  38. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM

    where should I sent my resume?

    thanks,
    John Merriweather

  39. Posted by Just saying | July 14, 2010 at 2:16 PM

    They’re from Amherst… wonder if their recruiters target the Harvard Extension School.

  40. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    they prob only have $200K and are levered 35:1…beware of the black swan!

  41. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    @34 ror

  42. Posted by Artificial Stupidity | July 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM

    I don’t know why exactly but I have palpable disdain for these guys! That is right – PALPABLE Disdain! (which, BTW, is a terrific name for their boy band when this whole IA thing blows up) “Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome to the Six Flags’ Correctional Officers Day, Palpable… Disssssss……. Daiiiiiinnnnnnnn”

  43. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:19 PM

    @42 = hilarious…..perhaps they will open for Nelson?

  44. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:19 PM

    Yea – I bet that defensive move into gold worked out really well.

  45. Posted by Mr. Market | July 14, 2010 at 2:21 PM

    This reminds me of the hedge fund strategy whereby you give a bottle of whiskey to your nephew, and tell him that for every correct commodity pick he makes, he takes one shot. I hear that PTJ has dominated this strategy since ’88.

  46. Posted by marx | July 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM

    great way to embarrass amherst

  47. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM

    I hear they prime with Madoff Securities

  48. Posted by CoveredLong | July 14, 2010 at 2:23 PM

    @45 – Ha ha! Tradin’ drunk. Classic.

  49. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:27 PM

    So they’re a hedge fund for the deaf?

  50. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:27 PM

    Dude on the right definitely got that suit from Jos A

  51. Posted by anobymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM

    yeah how’d they finish dead last, they had a good year though.

    wow the journal is really desperate for stories

  52. Posted by Bess Levin | July 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM

    @40 “Unlike the high-frequency funds that use artificial intelligence to aid rapid trading, Rebellion tends to hold stocks for long periods—on average four months but in some instances more than two years. It also doesn’t short stocks or use leverage, or borrowed money, which can amplify returns but also boost risks. “

  53. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM

    N E R D S !

    They would fit in beautifully at AQR. Sinking ship and all.

  54. Posted by Anal_yst | July 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM

    Rebellion Cap Mgmt: More Silicon Than South Beach

    Still, they can’t touch HandBridge Cap Mgmt’s massive returns

  55. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM

    @42 = Bill Simmons wannabee

  56. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM

    @51 thanks Bess….can i leverage you?

  57. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:35 PM

    The real benefit of Star is the AI in learning what type of porn you watch at what time of day. This will provide SEC employees with an optimal mix of explicit videos throughout the day. The elimination of productivity loss resulting from trying to log on to ladyboyjuice 3000 times a day will allow for significant time savings in which to watch more porn.

  58. Posted by Artificial Stupidity | July 14, 2010 at 2:37 PM

    @50 – do you have the same one?

  59. Posted by Finn | July 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM

    Well seems they have family in the business so hopefully the wisdom has flowed down.

  60. Posted by Artificial Stupidity | July 14, 2010 at 2:43 PM

    @43 – If I told you once, I have told you a thousand times, It is Nelson first, THEN Puppet Show!

  61. Posted by PermaGuest | July 14, 2010 at 2:45 PM

    Serious q– how is it a hedge fund if you don’t go short or use leverage, i.e. “hedge”? Doesn’t that just make you an ordinary money manager/mutual fund?

    Got to love that they found an *actual* Former Lehman Quant to provide a soundbite…

  62. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:46 PM

    Let me know when Star beats Shia’s 4000%+ return, then we can talk.

  63. Posted by Sarah Bernett | July 14, 2010 at 2:50 PM

    Can you provide any color how they managed to put together $7mm AUM?

    TIA!

  64. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    @62, parents and family friends. They look like the waspy NE sort.

  65. Posted by V.I.K.I | July 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM

    My logic is undeniable

  66. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 2:58 PM

    Star: From now on I will be known as–
    Kruger: KOKO THE MONKEY!

  67. Posted by Texashedge | July 14, 2010 at 2:58 PM

    @60, going long gold is kind of like a short.

    I imagine with $7 MM AUM, they could get one of those big bars like in Goldfinger.

  68. Posted by Bob | July 14, 2010 at 2:59 PM

    Artificial intelligence is (artifical) and isn’t (intelligence).

    And what value did “Bess Levin” add that I didn’t get from just reading the wsj article?

  69. Posted by W.O.P.R. | July 14, 2010 at 3:02 PM

    STAR – WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME?

  70. Posted by merkin capital partners | July 14, 2010 at 3:02 PM

    If granddad is Hank then dad is Steve, BSD banker at Allen & Co. Maybe they got to play in the kids section at Sun Valley this year.

  71. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM

    @66 – if I were them, I would then trade it for an OddJob hat.

  72. Posted by Throw Me A Screwdriver Twice | July 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM

    67 = Star, malfunctioning.

  73. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:05 PM

    This is the locksmith? Finally. Spencer Greenberg, Rebellion Capital. Listen, the four of us principals came outside for a photo op, and we just realized… yeah. About ten minutes. Great.

  74. Posted by Anal_yst | July 14, 2010 at 3:06 PM

    @60 raises a fantastic point

  75. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:06 PM

    @62 probably by starting with $10mm AUM

  76. Posted by OMG-the other white bess | July 14, 2010 at 3:07 PM

    Got your mother in a whirl not sure of youre a boy or a nerd…you’ve torn your dress…

  77. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:09 PM

    @69 hank had another son who is also a BSD

  78. Posted by Palp Disdain Roadie | July 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

    I want it thaaaattttttt way…..

  79. Posted by Mr. Market | July 14, 2010 at 3:15 PM

    @62 The musician dude played on the street for like, forever. The computer dudes joined forced with some Russian hackers, and looted some Florida bank accounts, and the goofball-esque one clearly knows how to “work hard for the money”. viola

  80. Posted by Bob | July 14, 2010 at 3:19 PM

    “…who are not pulling their weight in the famous relatives department.”

    Hmm, Fleiss. Wonder if his mom is…

  81. Posted by Verbal SAT score 350 | July 14, 2010 at 3:24 PM

    I have to admit I was a bit skeptical of this entire premise at first, but then that Greenberg guy with the hip hairdo and facial hair used the word “infer” properly in his description of Star! I was impressed! Most would have opted for the oft mistaken “imply” right there! Gotta be Bright!! To whom do I make the check?

    - Guy who oft mistakenly puts a lot of stock in english grammar usage in lieu of investing strategy and intelligence.

  82. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM

    7 million x 2% divided by 4 guys: pulling in 35k a year! nice.

  83. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM

    Shut the fuck up Kouw_analyst !!

  84. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:29 PM

    That pic screams Trader Monthly circa 2007

  85. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 3:31 PM

    @72 – Nicely done.

  86. Posted by Just saying | July 14, 2010 at 3:32 PM

    @82, before taxes. Talk about BSDs.

  87. Posted by Beavis | July 14, 2010 at 3:32 PM
  88. Posted by Guest | July 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

    That is so cute

  89. Posted by InfiniteGuest | July 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM

    @82 Plus performance.
    @86 People making that kind of money don’t pay taxes.

  90. Posted by Scott Patterson sucks | July 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM

    1993 called. They want their technology back.

  91. Posted by bike | July 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM

    I swear the guy on the left works at the Starbucks in Rock Center.

  92. Posted by Guest | July 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM

    @91 I think you are right. He cannot make a Macchiato worth $hit! Disgraceful!

  93. Posted by Louis Winthorpe III | July 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM

    @89- If they kill it with a 10% return they’re still looking at <50k/ea. after tax.

    Sans expenses.

  94. Posted by '06 | July 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM

    bess, looks like you held back the punches

    - bring out the sleazy social dorm stories

    - talk about how $8m of that $7m is mama fleiss’ money

    - HEIDI FLEISS

  95. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM

    So they opened with 2 million, went up 17% in 2007 and making 68k performance [17k + 35k management = 52k! middle class here we come.]

    Then tanked 1.7m AUM, no performance in 08! back to 35k.

    Then went up 41% in 09, back to 2.4 million, which puts them ~60k above their high watermark. So 3k in performance.

    Then someone gave them another 5 million to play with. Super nice

  96. Posted by Postmaster Generalissimo | July 14, 2010 at 4:28 PM

    Team REBELLION???

    Woman: “Why does this dummy have a bucket on its head?”
    Kramer: “Because we’re blind to their tyranny.”
    Woman: “Then shouldn’t you be wearing the bucket?”
    Kramer: “Yeah. Move along, Betty.”

    George: “Why is the mailman wearing a bucket?”
    Kramer: “Huh? Well, it symbolizes our persecution.”
    George: “Then… shouldn’t you be wearing the bucket.”

  97. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 4:39 PM

    @93 e-trade has free accounts and I keep seeing those bloomberg keyboards on ebay for ~150 bucks. That’s ought to cover the expenses.

  98. Posted by Anal_yst | July 14, 2010 at 4:39 PM

    @69 is awesome, amazed it took that long.

    How about Global Thermo Nuclear Warefare?

  99. Posted by PermaGuest | July 14, 2010 at 4:49 PM

    @67: prob not that big a bar w $7mm AUM. If you figure a 10% allocation, at today’s closing spot that would buy you roughly 579 troy ounces, which works out to something like 39 1/2 lbs (avordupois). Given that the stuff weighs something like 19 grams per cubic centimeter, and there are approx. 453 grams in a pound, that gives you what, 941 cubic centimeters?

  100. Posted by focus you bloody fool | July 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM

    @99 you’re mad

  101. Posted by focus you bloody fool | July 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM

    100 bitches!

  102. Posted by Contango | July 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM

    This is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen, comments and all. I’d give em some money, to wash my car and go get me lunch!

    Given the vast responses, I would suggest not using this site as an outlet to raise capital.

  103. Posted by PermaGuest | July 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM

    @100 Jawohl meine… {cough} Mr. President!

  104. Posted by ORANJE | July 14, 2010 at 5:10 PM

    I’d rather make 50k working for myself than 100k being t-bagged by some middle management douche from 8 to 8 every day.

  105. Posted by Anal_yst | July 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM

    @104

    That sorta thing happens all the time @ UBS, no big deal

  106. Posted by Investorcluzo | July 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

    unless those are ruffles on that shirt, you can forget the tie and buy an iron…wtf? clowns.

    @104 – shouldn’t be hard to do: assume you “work” 48 weeks a year trading s&p-minis (day trading, not just for the 80′s). based on that workload, your bogey is $1,042 per week ($208 per day). you would be able to trade 5 contracts with as little as $30k in your account (daddy could spot you seed capital). now, your job should you choose to accept it, is to capture a 1 point move ($250) each day. go get ‘em tiger!

  107. Posted by ORANJE | July 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM

    @106

    Yup dad is rich and I have no clue how to trade futures.

    Oranje, CFA

  108. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 5:41 PM

    The real question remains: is Star capable of defeating Paul the Octopus?

    - Jim Simons’ TA

  109. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM

    Minute 2.52
    A copy of Ben Graham´s “The Intelligent Investor” on the desk,
    Not the standard text book for Quants,
    I suspect “Investing for dummies” is underneath it.
    And “Ripping off Bernie´s way” underneath it.
    -Guy who cried when Justin left N´Sync

  110. Posted by Guard your wallet | July 14, 2010 at 6:20 PM
  111. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 7:24 PM

    @110 guys at my college got beat up by ninjas all the time. It was no big deal.

  112. Posted by James Tobin | July 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM

    A fellow fresh out of the PhD progam @ Stanford just claimed at the Jeffries emerging managers conference that (viz. his AI models implemented in a Palo Alto HF where he runs 7 bucks) MPT states diversification will generate lower risk AND HIGHER RETURN. These AI guys never fail to amaze me…

  113. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM

    You just got your asses WHIPPED…by a bunch of God Damned nerds…NERDS!

  114. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 7:54 PM

    Why has nobody pointed out that it’s nonsensical to compare their performance with the Dow?

    Substitute in the S&P and their strategy has underperformed over the entire period.

    The program looks at all stocks as possible investments; it should not be benchmarked to the Dow 30.

  115. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 8:20 PM

    @114 – because nobody takes these guys seriously to begin with. Insecure much? Just kidding. No, really. Or not. Just kidding.

  116. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM

    they got beat up by a bunch of asians? in amherst?

  117. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM

    wasn’t this the whole premise of the movie pi? A crazy jew inventing a computer program that can predict the markets based on AI/Kaballah/Quantum Mecahnics/Nerd Juice. All Greenberg needs is a mirror and drill and he’s alllll set!

    I bet Hammerin Hank’s rolling in his grave.

  118. Posted by Not Even Right | July 14, 2010 at 9:18 PM

    @31

    I am a finance guy who’s done some financial software development. Looking over the first question on that interview sheet (about the hashtable, etc.), it’s got an elementary and glaring flaw that’s obvious even to me–and I’m neither a great programmer nor a great finance guy.

    One should never EVER store currency values (i.e., prices) as floating point values, as floating point values cannot be represented exactly in binary–which leads to rounding errors and unpredictable results on different systems. Yikes.

  119. Posted by LuvY'all | July 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM

    we know bess went easy on them because one dude went to Amherst. they even have an office there – the brass plate on the door said so.
    its kinda like the guys who take the C-list interns from their alma matter every summer, hoping to secure a place for their own snot nosed kids.

  120. Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM

    Thanks @118!!!

    Pulling my money out as we speak

    Jean-Marie Eveillard

  121. Posted by LuvY'all | July 14, 2010 at 9:27 PM

    the guy with the spiffy blue blazer with gold buttons writing on the chalk board

  122. Posted by LuvY'all | July 14, 2010 at 9:32 PM

    All they use are Macs, nice. Not a bberg among them. must be a holdover from the college days.

  123. Posted by Jimmy | July 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM

    “Rebellion has a solid track record, topping the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index by an average of 10% a year, after fees, since its 2007 launch through June, according to people familiar with the fund.”

    Isn’t that about 1% annualized?

  124. Posted by Not Even Right | July 14, 2010 at 10:03 PM

    Ok, maybe I was a bit too harsh. Under some circumstances, floating point may be appropriate in extreme performance cases where rounding issues aren’t relevant. But in general, arbitrary precision arithmetic is far less likely to get you into unexpected rounding trouble when doing lots of operations on currency amounts such as prices.

  125. Posted by god | July 15, 2010 at 1:05 AM

    only rebutt to this crap is —-LTCM—– SO ITS ALREADY BEEN KIND OF DONE, AND AI OR NOT THE MARKET IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE MESSED WITH.

  126. Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2010 at 1:27 AM

    HAL: I’m sorry Bro, I’m afraid I can’t let you do that.

    AF: Brobot, it’s cool, I’m cool with that.

    HAL: Nice to see you appreciate my brogramming.

  127. Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2010 at 5:32 AM

    @everyone above, you’re jealous b/c you can’t do much on a computer besides add and subtract in Excel and write anonymous negative comments on a blog.

  128. Posted by Noobie | July 15, 2010 at 5:35 AM

    “Star” is actually a playstation

  129. Posted by wolfgang | July 15, 2010 at 6:12 AM

    so they are using computers to do the trading …
    hmmm …
    pretty f***ing great idea …
    who would have thought of that!
    and AI , now that is pure genius …

  130. Posted by creditquant | July 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM

    @127 is furiously googling to find the answers for http://rebellionresearch.com/jobs.html

    And my comments aren’t anonymous.

  131. Posted by Dead_Cat | July 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM

    @127 You’re wrong. We are all adept at surfing pr0n and shooting Korean 12-year olds in the face with a Desert Eagle under simulation. Those are the only two truly worthwhile uses for computers.

  132. Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM

    @126 – you’ve been iced!

  133. Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM

    @127, your mastery of the english language is amazing.

  134. Posted by AI | July 15, 2010 at 7:26 PM

    According to http://www.hedgeweb.net their total return since inception in 2007 (the return in 2007 was only 2% not 17% as mentioned in the WSJ) is minus 8.03 percent and their YTD result is minus 13%. The average monthly return is minus 0.01% and their largest drawdown since Jan. 2007 was 44% !

    They really must have some good connections to be mentioned in the WSJ with a performance record like that.

    However, they actually did outperform the S&P slightly since 2007, but others achieved that as well without the use of any form of Artificial Intelligence.

  135. Posted by AI | July 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM

    @123 Compounded Annual Return is actual minus 2.36% since 2007.

  136. Posted by Anonymous | July 18, 2010 at 12:20 PM

    Greenberg aka son of glenn greenberg PM of 4 billion Chieftain Capital.

  137. Posted by Heidi | July 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM

    After seeing that interview, I’m taking my money out.

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