• 18 Jan 2012 at 12:26 PM
  • Banks

Goldman Sachs Now Paying Employees For A Full Year Of Work

I know I’ve said that the Jamie & Doug in the Morning Show is the best call-in program in finance, given Jamie Dimon’s reliably amusing anti-regulation rant, but the true connoisseur should also really get a kick out of David Viniar’s calmer, wonkier, more NPR-appropriate chat. I certainly do. We’ll maybe have more to say about it later.

My enjoyment is, however, complicated by the fact that at this time of year I feel certain feelings. Specifically, feelings about Goldman Sachs comp, which will be terrible, horrible, down 115%, whatever, and yet … still … somehow … I want it. Have we talked about this before? Sometimes I miss investment banking. A thing that some people not in the industry don’t know about investment banking is that it is an awesome job, in the specific sense that many people would do it for free, or even pay money to do it, and in the even more specific sense that sometimes they do. (For, um, fairly loose definitions of “pay money.”) This happened twice during my time at Goldman. Let’s all luxuriate in a chart:

And I tell you what: when January 2009 and 2010 rolled around, and I found out that I’d been paying Goldman to work there for the last three months, I was like, “yeah, that seems right. It’d be cheap at twice the price.”

More generally you can speculate why comp accruals are so much lower in the fourth quarter than any other time of year – the answer does not, btw, appear to be “because revenues are lower” or anything dull like that, since they’re not especially, with 2008 as an important exception – and come up with explanations like “you encourage employees to stick around for 9 months by accruing at a better rate than you’ll actually pay, and then hose ‘em at the last minute,” or “the PR hit of a mid-year kajillion-dollarcomp accrual isn’t that big since you didn’t actually pay anything and since people can’t annualize numbers, while the PR benefit of a fourth-quarter rollback is a bit of a plus.” So, maybe. In any case, I’m not sure you’d take the 4Q2011 accrual – which is not only positive, it’s bigger than Q3, and almost the same as 4Q2010 despite the lower headcount – as an unambiguously good sign. Maybe it means that comp is moving to a broadly smoother and less market-driven path. Maybe it means that banking at Goldman is no longer as awesome as it used to be. Some people think so.

I don’t know what else to say about GS comp. It’s down (both on headcount reduction and reduced pay per head), it’s still higher than JPM by more than enough to buy your own plant if that’s your thing, it’s still a bigger number than some other numbers and a smaller number than some other other numbers. Fin.

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  1. Posted by Guest of a Guest | January 18, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    You suck Matt, go find another career.

  2. Posted by @GSElevator | January 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    I'm not tweeting one syllable until the money is in my checking account!

  3. Posted by Guestivus | January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Levine reminds me of Uncle Rico: If coach woulda put me in the 4th quarter we'd have been State Champs, no doubt…I'd be making millions of dollars…be living in a big old mansion somewhere

  4. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    It’d be cheap at twice the price.'*

    Matty, when you put an asterisk in your article, there needs to be another one somewhere. This especially becomes relevant when your poor readers have to scroll down through your articles for 5 minutes just to find nothing at the bottom.

    – Matt's 3rd Grade Teacher

  5. Posted by guest | January 18, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    I want to hear Jamie Dimon's anti moral hazard bank bailout rant.

    Dimon is scum.

  6. Posted by Hogwallup | January 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Take off your pants, its about to get real.

  7. Posted by Pension PM | January 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Oh Hai AFSCME Portfolio Manager!

  8. Posted by marktomarket | January 18, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Is it just me, or is Matt getting better? Tags, length, and subject matter — it's almost like Bess is editing before his posts hit the site.

    –Equities in Dallas

  9. Posted by Avid Reader | January 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Rising to the challenge, Matt! Great retro stuff on CDO risk blenders too.

  10. Posted by early_hominid | January 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    no footnotes?

  11. Posted by Things Your MD Says | January 18, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Absolutely no axis or title labels on that graph. No wonder you had to pay to work for me.

  12. Posted by Steve | January 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    This was manageable

  13. Posted by maximum decimus | January 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    gap width on chart is off. skews mapping of bars to quarters. now i understand.

  14. Posted by FKApmco | January 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Oh Matty, my sweet little butterfly. This isn't complicated, it's just math. In Qs 1, 2 and 3 banks accrue comp based on what they think their annual comp rate will be. Math is: projected annual revenues x comp rate / 4. And then they get to Q4 and look at YTD revenues, what competitors are doing etc and figure out how little they can pay everyone and adjust the annual comp rate down = lower comp rate in Q4. Simple as that.

  15. Posted by Put_Option | January 18, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Lots of hostility towards Matt today. I see a lot of the usual suspects saying the usual insults;

    – Learn Grammar/Spelling signed Matt's token elementary school teacher
    – Nice work signed by Matt's Mom
    – Some sexual innuendo regarding Matt and Bess
    – Matt is boring
    – UBS sucks

    Matt takes all these to heart. You guys really nailed him. I'm sure after making lucid commentary about the financial sector and spending time in the only city that matters, he goes home and cries himself to sleep knowing that somewhere in the world an obese, 1st year analyst–with mustard stains on his shirt, who can't even get a pitchbook right, at a 'boutique' bank in Cleveland–doesn't like him

  16. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    it's just you

  17. Posted by R . Jeremy | January 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    His length is nothing compared to mine.

  18. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    I would like to report all the posts in this commentary section.

  19. Posted by guest | January 18, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    At least the obese, 1st year analyst–with mustard stains on his shirt, who can't even get a pitchbook right, at a 'boutique' bank in Cleveland has a job.

    – Former Bank of America 2nd year analyst hating on Matt.

  20. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    How the hell?

    –1st year analyst with mustard stains on his shirt, who can't even get a pitchbook right, at a 'boutique' bank in Cleveland that doesn't like Matt

  21. Posted by lol wut | January 18, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    These comments are getting as bad as the Ball don't lie column on Yahoo

  22. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    since when is equity capital markets "investment banking"?

  23. Posted by CSM | January 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Dude you could always go back to finance. Your resume is still one of the most ridiculous I've seen (though still not as amazing as Joyce Meng's).

  24. Posted by marktomarket | January 18, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    "Let’s all luxuriate in a chart:"
    Self-deprecation is the first sign that Matt is listening. That, or a few more margaritas.

    –CFA level IV

  25. Posted by guest | January 18, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Joyce Meng once gave me a blumpkin on the toilet

  26. Posted by Mayor Bob | January 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    "…….and spending time in the only city that matters……."

    Bob began to think….. This can't be……..it just cannot be! Bob thought. Sheboygan is the only city that matters, dammit!

  27. Posted by Lexus at Treasures | January 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Is that like a golf joke or something?

  28. Posted by You bee as | January 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    I wish comp was only down 115%

    UBS MD

  29. Posted by guesticles | January 18, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    With a face like hers, she should be thankful for the experience.

  30. Posted by Merchant Refugee | January 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM


  31. Posted by FKApmco | January 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    My darling PO'd: for the record, I love Matty and would never do anything to insult him or hurt him (well, actually I might under certain circumstances if they presented themselves…but I digress)

  32. Posted by McLovin' | January 18, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    This article blows.

    Fake ID, Chicca YEA.

  33. Posted by PermaGuestII | January 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    I'll drink to that!

  34. Posted by Wire in | January 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Yes, but this article isn't exactly scintilating subject matter. What would the subheading be, variation in quarterly comp accruals annualized ?

  35. Posted by Pat B | January 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Why does everybody keep on bashing Matt? He just has it. That Yale thing

  36. Posted by PresTech | January 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    I don't think it's the gap width – it looks like he actually has the positives and negatives as two different series.

    Sloppy and shitty, Matt.

  37. Posted by Nailz6 | January 18, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Well said. I'd send Matt some insider trading tips if I had any.

    – Guy who likes Matt's posts, but is weirded out by his obsession with insider trading.

  38. Posted by lol wut | January 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    you guys must not read the 'Ball don't lie' blog column. It wasn't a joke. Read the comments there, every single comment is about how the author sucks. Much like how this comment thread is.

  39. Posted by Guest | January 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Update: Asterisk has been removed

    -Guy who just scrolled up for 5 minutes thinking "I didn't see any asterisks…"

  40. Posted by InfiniteGrouch | January 18, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Like anyone who ever worked at Goldman, McKinsey or Google, this yahoo can't seem to finish five words without reminding us of "When I worked at Goldman" in another five.

    Go suck on a pickle – you work for a cut rate dimestore trade rag!

  41. Posted by Guest | January 19, 2012 at 2:05 AM


    Bravo. Fin.

  42. Posted by MangoBanker91 | February 2, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    The lower comp and obviously the writing style is maybe why Goldman is losing its business to other firms. One area where they have been beat are major tech IPOs. I really hope they are not slipping up, but the comp being down 115% makes people think that they have started slipping. Do you think so as well? There is a discussion on here regarding it here, http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/goldman-sli….

    Any opinions?

    -Finance Student at Cal

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