ISDA decided today that there has been no credit event for purposes of Greek CDS. Obvs! And by “obvs!” I mean what I said the other day, which is that with 100% certainty there’s been no credit event yet, but with 100% certainty there will be, so everyone should just chill out.

Except that it seems like that last part may be wrong. So go ahead and panic.

I used to make convertible bonds and some of my time was spent answering questions about what happened to things upon Events. The most popular was: what happens after a merger? If you have a convertible that converts into 10 shares of XYZ stock, but now XYZ is being acquired and each share of XYZ is being acquired for $30 in cash and 4.5 shares of PQR stock and a pony – what happens to the convertible? And the answer I would give usually started with “don’t trouble your pretty little head about it.” Like, it’s fine: you have a convertible that converts into 10 Things, and before the merger each Thing was an XYZ share, and after each Thing is exactly what an XYZ share transformed into, so you convert into $300 and 45 PQR shares and 10 ponies. It just works because it has to work. Economic interests follow without interruption from changes in form; derivative securities poof into derivatives of things that the underlying poofs into. There is no arbitrage!

That assumption is central to doing any sort of derivative work, and it spoiled me a bit. Sometimes people would come up with more complicated scenarios involving dividends, multiple-step transactions, weird splits and spinoffs and sales, etc. etc. And I would generally start from the bias “it has to work, so I am sure the document written in the way that works.” Where “works” means “the economics and intent of the trade are preserved after the change in form.” But of course the document was written by humans, often specifically me, and those humans, often including me, are fallible. So there may well be documents from my former line of work that don’t “work” in the sense that an issuer could do some structural tricks that would screw holders out of their economics – where the derivative doesn’t follow the underlying everywhere it might go. These tricks are unlikely enough that I don’t lose sleep over them. You can’t predict everything.

I sort of assumed that Greek CDS also had to just work but here is Felix Salmon at Reuters saying no. Lisa Pollack at FT Alphaville said something similar a week ago but I could not fathom that she meant it so I read it to mean something else. But she means it, and Felix does too. Go read it but the basic gist of this theory is:

(1) Right now you have Old Greek Bonds with a face value of 100 and a trading value of like 25
(2) They will be exchanged for (a) New Greek Bonds with a face value of 30 and a trading value of like 10 plus (b) EFSF bonds with a face value of 15 and a trading value of 15
(3) But the CDS auction will happen after this and the deliverable obligation specified by the CDS contract is just “Greek bonds with a face amount of 100.”
(4) So that will mean New Greek Bonds with a face value of 100, which will have a trading value of 10/30 x 100 = 33
(5) So the CDS reference price will end up being 33, for a payout of 67 cents on the dollar rather than 75
(6) So if you had a bond + CDS, then you get 25 on the bond and 67 on the CDS for a 92 total
(7) Which, you will notice upon careful examination, is less than 100
(8) And you could monkey with that even more by for instance having New Greek Bonds with a lower face value and higher coupon, so that they might have a face of 10 and a trading value of 10, meaning that the CDS auction would clear at par and there will be no payout.

So as Felix says:

What this means is that the CDS architecture is broken, and can’t cope with collective action clauses. And as a result, according to the hedge fund manager who tipped me off to the whole problem, “this Greece CDS imbroglio might be the final blow for sovereign CDS as a product.”

Now there is a possible solution here: ISDA could try to decree, somehow, that the total package bondholders receive in return for their old bonds will count as a deliverable security for the purposes of the CDS auction. Bundle up the new bonds, the EFSF bonds, the GDP warrants, everything — and that bundle can be bid on in the auction, to determine where the CDS pays out. That would be fair and right. But the problem is, it might not be legal. There’s really nothing in the ISDA CDS documentation which explicitly allows that to happen.

That is amazing! I was skeptical because, well, first of all, I am sick of “final blows for sovereign CDS as a product” and usually so is Felix. I was also skeptical because this just cannot be right – it cannot be the case that a collective-action exchange from $100 in face value to $1 in face value (but trading at its $1 par) would lead to no loss under CDS contracts. There is no arbitrage! And that’s just a stupid-easy arbitrage.

But just because something just cannot be right doesn’t mean it’s not right. Sadly I’m not a CDS expert so I can’t really weigh in on this one with any authority. Hopefully others can. I am an overconfident guy who reads documents so I’ll probably give it a shot in a future post. For $350 you can buy the ISDA Credit Definitions and play along. (Check out “Sovereign Restructured Deliverable Obligation”!)

The minimum you can say though is that it seems like quite a murk, so you could understand why some people are confused – like Bill Gross, who objects to the ISDA determination that PIMCO voted for. So I take back my recent claim that everything’s fine with Greek CDS: people want a credit event declared and the settlement settled before all the murk happens. And it looks like they are not going to get their wish. Leaving them with murk.

That said, though, this probably doesn’t mean The End Of The Sovereign CDS Market. (Quick test: why sovereign? The same exact thing would apply for a collective-action restructuring of non-sovereign bonds. Is this The End Of The Corporate CDS Market too?) Rather, I suspect it means The Beginning Of Changing The ISDA Credit Definitions.

At least in my experience one thing that financial markets participants really quite like is predictably achieving the right result – and here, at least, there is no serious debate about what the right result would be. It’s just that the humans involved in crafting the (91 page) credit definitions … mmmmaaaaayyyyybe didn’t quite get there on this one. Which is understandable: you can’t predict everything, and who would have predicted the particular kettle of fish that Greece has found itself in? But tomorrow is another day, and ISDA will get a chance to fix whatever is … let’s say “murky to broken” … here in future contracts. Lucky that this came to light before it was tested in anything high-profile, no?

How Greece’s default could kill the sovereign CDS market [Felix Salmon / Reuters]
Will the Greece CDS auction be ‘fair’? – Part 1 and Part 2 [FTAV]
Greece CDS: trigger sad [FTAV]
ISDA Credit Definitions [best $350 you’ll ever spend!]

64 comments (hidden to protect delicate sensibilities)
Show all comments ↓

Comments (64)

  1. Posted by Just Curious | March 1, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Aren't doc clause arbs what convertible trading is all about?

  2. Posted by UBS Middle Office | March 1, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    there is a terrible moment, when you start reading Matt's post, and you find them kinda interesting…but then you scroll down and look at the sheer volume, and say "Do i really want to read this?" I usually just start reading the comments instead

  3. Posted by anonhfm | March 1, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    I tried to explain this in the comments to your last post! ISDA will definitely try to sweep this under the rug, because by pure luck the likely CTD bond (the longest of the 20 new GGB) is trading in the w/i market within one point of where the w/i market for the whole package of 20 new GGBs + 1 warrant will put recovery on an old GGB. Talk about inverse Murphy's Law. They'll declare an event on March 9, when Greece invokes CACs (don't see how anybody could wiggle out of that one and not expect major legal shitshow and the end of CDS), true recovery will be 24, Auction will settle at 25, and ISDA will say, "see, it all worked out!"

  4. Posted by VonSloneker | March 1, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Good god man, autoeject "obvs" in the first sentence…now I'll never know what Matt "The Machine" Levine thinks about the ISDA ruling…

  5. Posted by Guest | March 1, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    I have no idea what's going on.

  6. Posted by Point | March 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM


  7. Posted by Counterpoint | March 1, 2012 at 2:36 PM


  8. Posted by ZeroNegativeFoxtrot | March 1, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Well, I would just like to take this opportunity to say that the wet t-shirt picture is still making me all antsy in the pansty.

    Other than that, I have no idea what Matt is talking about.

  9. Posted by Mexi_Cant | March 1, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Matt please help explain this:

    In the comment section, D.Evan writes: "Lets see, he spent 26.5 B and now got a payout of 1B. But, only 775M of that payout is due to the 26.5B investment. By my math that comes out to less than 3%. Hardly the earth shattering returns expected from a "legend". "

  10. Posted by trojan_ | March 1, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    is there already a drinking game with a shot for every "like"?

  11. Posted by Tanker2Banker | March 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Too long, didn't read past the pony reference. Felt slightly like a (insert CFA/MBA/High School/Gradeschool as appropriate) flashback.

  12. Posted by On Another Note | March 1, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Remember Kouwe?

  13. Posted by Guest | March 1, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    I hate it when rookies try to get cute.

  14. Posted by VonSloneker | March 1, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Like, for sure. We, like, came up with it on set in the early 80's. Roll tape…Bartles & James wine coolers…it's, like, totally tubular…

    – Nick "Randy" Cage

  15. Posted by Sleeper | March 1, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    This XYZ company sounds promising but I can't find it on Bloomberg.

    – UBS Trader

  16. Posted by Daisy Chain | March 1, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Couldn't agree more.

    – Guy who doesn't agree with much

  17. Posted by Strong sell | March 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    "Say 'like' again. Say 'like' again! I dare you, I double dare you mothaf*****!"

  18. Posted by Pickles | March 1, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Export more Oikos. The world neeeds more Oikos.

  19. Posted by Drunk | March 1, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    9 shots today

  20. Posted by Chart Lover | March 1, 2012 at 4:04 PM


  21. Posted by Zack | March 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    I take a Kouwe right after a bean burrito, whats your point?

  22. Posted by Momentus | March 1, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    "You call yourself a salesman, you sonofabitch?"

  23. Posted by Germany | March 1, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Greece Sucks….lazy losers, sound like people working at Lehman

  24. Posted by Grecians | March 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    That's all we are saying Matt, is give greece a chance.

  25. Posted by Growth | March 1, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    don't overthink this one mexicant, it's not a strength of yours.

  26. Posted by paulson | March 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    that was more jews and guineas…but you knew that didn't
    you deutschland

  27. Posted by zeitguest | March 2, 2012 at 5:39 AM

    why did this get hate? totally on-point comment…

  28. Posted by Mercury | March 2, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    I can't really knock Matt for writing what he wrote the other day…I mean that's what should be happening…but I think he missed the forest for the trees. This shit is real. Allow me to quote myself at leanth from the previous comments thread:

    "I’ll believe that Greek sov. CDS pays out on said defaulted (creditors don't get payed what they're owed) bonds after it actually happens thank you very much. You’ll recall that we are now living in a world where central planners are very much in the habit of arbitrarily altering well established bankruptcy procedures as is politically expedient and bringing endless legislation into existence by executive fiat while fighting an ultimately hopeless battle against crushing debt…with more debt."

    The rule of law, contitutional protections against governments and fair, transparent markets continue to crumble before our eyes. And it's going to get worse. We'll see what happens with the PSI.

  29. Posted by RBS MD | March 2, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    wtf is a Bloomberg?

  30. Posted by The Grand Marquis | March 2, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Which fake trade tickets can I mark-up?, this is ridiculous!

    -UBS Prop

  31. Posted by buy oem software | May 2, 2012 at 4:55 AM

    T2YPxa Thanks a lot for the blog article.Really thank you! Will read on…

  32. Posted by Columbus Rego | September 9, 2012 at 3:37 AM

    Wow, quite inspiring list. The green olive web site and Call of Duty sites are my favs.

  33. Posted by bookmarking submission | September 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    fEyaKJ I appreciate you sharing this article post. Much obliged.

  34. Posted by furnace cleaning calgary specials | September 11, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Fantastic post.Really thank you! Really Cool.

  35. Posted by Commission loophole | September 11, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Really appreciate you sharing this blog article. Awesome.

  36. Posted by Website Designers Michigan | September 12, 2012 at 6:55 AM

    Really enjoyed this article. Want more.

  37. Posted by buy Bowtrol | September 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    I appreciate you sharing this blog. Will read on…

  38. Posted by homeowners insurance quote | September 12, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Thanks for the blog post.Really looking forward to read more. Much obliged.

  39. Posted by Event entertainment | September 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Thanks so much for the post.Really looking forward to read more. Awesome.

  40. Posted by food for pregnant women | September 15, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    A big thank you for your article.Really thank you! Keep writing.

  41. Posted by Abu Dhabi | September 18, 2012 at 5:41 AM

    wow, awesome article post.Really thank you! Great.

  42. Posted by meanwell psu | September 19, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Thank you for your blog.Really thank you! Much obliged.

  43. Posted by best canadian companies to work for | September 20, 2012 at 4:49 AM

    Thank you for your post.Thanks Again. Cool.

  44. Posted by buy instagram likes | September 20, 2012 at 6:41 AM

    Thank you ever so for you blog.Really thank you! Much obliged.

  45. Posted by propane grill reviews | September 21, 2012 at 7:11 AM

    Thanks a lot for the blog article.

  46. Posted by snoring solutions treatment | September 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    I truly appreciate this article. Awesome.

  47. Posted by dining in utah | September 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Fantastic post.Thanks Again. Will read on…

  48. Posted by multivitamin for men | September 22, 2012 at 5:54 AM

    I really liked your post. Will read on…

  49. Posted by best cheap web hosting | September 22, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Really appreciate you sharing this blog article.Really thank you! Really Great.

  50. Posted by e check | September 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    I truly appreciate this blog article.Much thanks again.

  51. Posted by health insurance coverage | September 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Great article. Really Cool.

  52. Posted by stomach fat loss | September 23, 2012 at 2:09 AM

    I loved your article.Really thank you! Want more.

  53. Posted by Personal assistant agency | September 23, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Thanks for sharing, this is a fantastic post. Really Great.

  54. Posted by Sexinserate | September 24, 2012 at 4:13 AM

    Wow, great blog post. Great.

  55. Posted by Melody Mallett | September 24, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Suitable on each count Jack! This really is your best publish nonetheless!

  56. Posted by how to perform hypnosis | September 26, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    Im obliged for the blog post.Really thank you! Want more.

  57. Posted by quit smoking hypnosis | September 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Major thankies for the article post.Really thank you! Will read on…

  58. Posted by how to hypnotise people | September 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Fantastic article. Fantastic.

  59. Posted by Online Goldmine review | September 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    A big thank you for your post. Much obliged.

  60. Posted by Peter Francis-Macrae | September 26, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    I appreciate you sharing this blog.Really looking forward to read more. Will read on…

  61. Posted by porn | October 5, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Thanks a lot for the blog.Thanks Again. Much obliged.

  62. Posted by buy garbage disposal | October 6, 2012 at 5:14 AM

    It’s pleasant sitting at work to distract from it�to relax and read the information written here:D

  63. Posted by eagle and angles | October 7, 2012 at 4:51 AM

    Really appreciate you sharing this blog post.Much thanks again. Awesome.

  64. Posted by debt relief services | October 8, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Good post! Found a lot of new and interesting! Will share the link with others:D