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@22... simply amazing. Bess, et al, you can let Zachary go now. I think you've got his replacement.
@21 = Voodoo
@ 3, what the hell are you referencing?
Schadenfreude goes both ways @1. The doubters of MS, rumor-mongers, yadda yadda, more than likely got their comeuppance today -- so, chill out, man. Have a toke. If you really think you're qualified to take the higher ground, why don't you prove it with a little bit of dignity? I overreacted to EP's "Sounds of Silence" post on Sunday, but wouldn't you know, she was right to call the whole deal into question. The crowd here, by and large, knows what's up, and Bess, EP, Daniel, and Muff (sweet, delectable, fictional Muff) do provide quality insight and oftentimes even scoop the Journal. Yeah it *is* a "tabloid" (how many actual tabloids reference themselves as such?), but it's not the font of self-referential, agenda-laden dreck you might find at Clusterstock. They'll get theirs, if they aren't already.
"God, I want to punch him. So. Hard." -- JM
Mack will issue a statement rebuffing the adjective. I really hope he goes with: Their Excellency, Investment Bank for Eternity, Morgan Stanley Incorporated, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.
This site really needs to stick to what it does best: being on top of the breaking news on the street. Incendiary speculation without any supporting evidence involving publicly traded companies is just the kind of thing that can get you arrested. EP, why don't you take a page from Bess's book and post entries that are based on some actual information.
@35/37 Why would they need to nationalize either MS or GS if they are "fine" from an operational standpoint, as you say? As far as I've read both are fine as going concerns until mid/late 2009, assuming (big assumption, I know) credit markets ease up again. The market is *not* operating on fundamentals at the moment. Google and Research in Motion, for example (and don't flame me about the specifics-- this is a rhetorical point) are trading at or below enterprise value; if I may quote Amy & Seth: "Really?!?" ROE of 21 and 40% respectively. REALLY?!? Sign me up. So what if Morgan is trading in single digits or Goldman is down to an 8 handle if they have enough capital to withstand the storm? Clients pull out? Some, yes. Prime Brokerage loses hedgies? For sure, but they're fickle and losing money at a prodigious rate anyhow. If anything, the margin calls Morgan and Goldman are squeezing these guys with only better shore up their balance sheets and reduce leverage. Will it be a rough go? Obviously. Nationalize them? I don't see it.