"It's proven by the fact that you have millions of people who are in foreclosure who never should have been in foreclosure. This just didn't happen because there were a lot of irresponsible people. Think about it. This is unprecedented, that this many people, all of a sudden, would be in foreclosure. What went wrong?" she asked Mark Haines. "I'll tell you what went wrong. These exotic products that were put on the market tricked people into mortgages they could not afford. They had mortgages that reset that they never anticipated would reset, where the interest rates were double, where their mortgage payments were double. They never anticipated that. They didn't know what they were getting into. This is not just some irresponsible homeowner. This is massive fraud...On a macro level, policy for the whole country, I still don't understand how you get around the moral hazard without just simply saying all of the contracts that are out there are not worth the paper they're printed on."