CNBC: Do you have a view on this country and what we need to do?
Murray: "I think we ought to be personally responsible. If you can take care of yourself and then take care of someone else, that's sort of how you're supposed to live. It's not a question of asking people for help or being rescued or anything like that. I think we've sort of gotten used to someone looking out for us, and I don't think any other person is necessarily going to be counted on to look out for us. I think there's only so many people that can take care of themselves and can take care of other people. The rest of the people are going to end up -- they're useful in terms of compost for the whole planet, you know, but there's just certain people that will go up and there are certain people that there stay the same and there are certain people that are going to drop. You'd like to be that person that's going to elevate and hopefully if you can do that, you can take care of yourself and if you're good enough, you should take care of about this many people...this country really is a pioneer country. We forget the kind of discipline they had to have to get from-- I mean occasionally it seeps in that-- they came in wagons from Illinois to Oregon or whatever, they came in wagons and the wheels broke...you think gee, that must have been hard for those women to push that wagon up the mountain."